Ferrer to be ranked higher than Nadal after the Australian Open?

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  1. Clarky21

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    If they can't get through the slams without help from Nadal's injury woes,than they don't deserve it,and it's anything but "refreshing". Pathetic people on this board just keep getting even more pathetic.
     
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    Why would you call me pathetic for just wanting to see other people make runs? I don't care about the same players playing over and over. I like to see different matchups, on REALLY different surfaces, not giving us a clue what's gonna happen next time. Tennis has become very predictable the last 10 years.
     
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    Because this is not the only reason. It's Nadal hate,and nothing else.
     
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  4. Towser83

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    Well surely Nadal doesn't deserve to be in finals when he just gets his arse beaten by Djokovic, if he's out it gives other people a chance who will do a much better job than nadal right?
     
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  5. Clarky21

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    Right,but I also don't like to see gloating about other player's having a "refreshing" chance to go deep in slams because Nadal's ranking dropped due to injury. If you can't get where I am coming from on this then I don't know what to tell you.
     
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    It's not. As you may know, I am a big Federer fan, above being a tennisfan. After that, I don't care if it's Nadal, Djoker or Murray who falls. I like new faces and think tennis needs them. I loved Paris last week. You on the other hand, just hate tennis but love Nadal.

    Even if it's Federer facing Nadal in a quarter, however scary that is.. I'd like the dynamics to change. I don't ever said I like Nadal to be injured. Au contraire. However, a ranking change can lead to some possible interesting events next year. I don't see how my post constitutes as pathetic. Certainly coming from you with your negativity towards Nadal, that says a lot. You said worse things about Rafa than I ever did, but it's okay since you love him secretly right?
     
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  7. Clarky21

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    I really hope that happens if Nadal is going to drop to #5. :twisted:
     
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    It would sure be good for tennis :) (even tho, I'm even more of a Federer than a tennisfan, which I never made a secret of).
     
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    how long would ferrer keep it? could nadal win FO as #5 seed??
     
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  10. NadalAgassi

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    Draws for Nadal on clay are meaningless. The only current player with an outside shot against him at the FO is Djokovic. Imagine Federer, Murray, Del Potro, Ferrer, or Berdych beating Nadal at Roland Garros, ROTFL!
     
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    So, you do not see any of those players beating Nadal at RG in the near future (say the next 3-4 years).

    :roll:
     
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  12. NadalAgassi

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    Federer and Ferrer are older than Nadal, much older, and were never much of a threat to Nadal at Roland Garros. Murray is not a great clay courter, and likely never will be. Berdych is also older than Nadal, has been Nadal's pigeon since 2007, and also is not a great clay courter. Only a **** could roll their eyes at an obviously correct statement. If Nadal has declined so much he could lose to any of those players at Roland Garros at this point he would probably be too injured to continue playing at a decent level and retire soon anyway.
     
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    I completely agree with NadalAgassi. On clay, Rafa will tear through any draw. The #4 only matters for AO or Wimbledon. But you know, unless he starts playing real soon, it's unreasonable to expect him to stay at #4. One cannot maintain such a high ranking without playing. And unless he starts practising real soon, I don't see how he will be ready to roll at the beginning of January.
     
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    Living in the past, are we?

    I will be reminding you, should Nadal loses to any of those players at RG.

    Love *******s and their blind faith.
     
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  15. NadalAgassi

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    Some up and comers "might" emerge at some point who could start beating Nadal on clay, although that seems less likely with the weak up and coming group who all specialize on faster courts coming up. However it isnt going to be guys into are heading into their 30s who never came close to beating Nadal at Roland Garros.
     
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  16. NadalAgassi

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    Love ****s and their blind stupidity and blind hatred and butthurt over Nadal. Of the incredibly dumb group you are one of the dumbest for sure though, every single one of your posts are always good for a huge LOL! Funniest of all is I get the impression you arent trying to be a troll like most others who post similarily stupid things which truly makes you a special one.
     
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    Your statement has been duly noted and preserved for further use.

    You were quite specific about the players, who cannot beat Nadal at RG at any point in the near future. There is no need to further introduce up and comers in this.

    :roll:

    EDIT: HAHAHA at the edit of your original statement. My God, how hilarious it can get. So, after all you are not so sure, that that cannot happen. It didn't take more than 10 minutes to change your mind.
     
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    You sure have a lot of room to talk,*******. It seems the only reason you even post here is to sl*g off on Nadal fans. You also way overuse the eye rolling smiley as well.
     
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    Another one down. All Ferrer has to do now is to beat Tipsarevic and whoever he faces in the semi-finals, most probably the winner of the Murray-Djokovic match. This for the year-end top 4 ranking.

    Btw how many matches in a row has Ferrer won now?
     
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  20. Gonzo_style

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    Eleven right now
     
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  21. Towser83

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    Why? You don't mean you think Nadal will win???!!!!

    :lol:
     
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    Yep. If another player is going to be in the semis it should be because he's actually good enough. Otherwise it's just going to unbalance the draws (people were already complaining they were unbalanced on favour of whoever had to play Murray in the semis).

    BTW, just how would a Nadal-Fed quarter be better for tennis than a semi or final?.
     
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  23. Clarky21

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    Or how about the nightmarish thought of Nadal having to play Cvac in the quarters? :shock: If Nadal ends up in Cvac's draw I hope he loses before he makes it to the quarters. I don't even want to think about the thrashing Nadal would take if he didn't.
     
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    I am not sure about 3-4 years ( I think Nadal will be retired or close to it by then) but I don't see many people beating Nadal at the FO this year and probably next. Djokovic has a shot and I guess so does Murray. Don't think Federer will do it at age 31 at Nadal's strongest slam. At off clay slams however, Federer, Djokovic and Murray all have a good shot against Nadal imo.
     
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    Surely there is no way Ferrer can climb above Nadal before the AO even if he wins the WTF (which he wont)?

    Or if he manages to win a pre AO event plus grab points at DC and Nadal doesn't get any points pre AO, is there a chance?

    I think Nadalmight dropafter the AO, because Ferrer is on a good run at the moment, but not sure it will happen before..
     
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    I think he can get to #4 if he makes the final at the WTF. I'm not sure though.
     
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    I'm trying to look at it on atp live rankings but it's saying the max points he can get is (which I assume is if he wins the whole thing) 6530 with Nadal on 6795

    Maybe I'm looking at it wrong

    http://live-tennis.eu/
     
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    You mean at the AO?. With Rafa not having played before, yeah, it sure wouldn't look good at all. But if/when Rafa is fine physically and has match practice, I wouldn't really mind it.
     
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    You should mind it. Off clay, Djokovic will always be a threat to Nadal, even a healthy one. Djokovic is at his very peak right now, Murray is as well.
     
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    The WTF points from last year have already been deducted. So right now Nadal is at 6,795 pts while Ferrer is 6,030. Which means that the least Ferrer has to do to surpass Nadal is win 2 RR matches and his SF, thus picking up 800 pts and leaving him at 6,830.
     
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    I think he's more vulnerable earlier on in tournaments.

    Of course, it's always better to be higher up in the rankings and avoid those situations until the finals.
     
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    Yeah, it is hard to say how Nadal will do at the AO or in other off clay slams. We will have to wait and see.
     
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    Who's more vulnerable earlier in tournaments? Djokovic or Nadal? As it is, I don't think it matters what round Djokovic and Nadal play. Djokovic will always be trouble for Nadal at least off clay, much the same as Nadal is for Federer.
     
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    I meant Djokovic. He will always be trouble, but at least it seemed to me last year and even this year (think how Novak played most of RG) Nadal would have had a much better chance to beat Novak before the finals.
     
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    True, but that was clay not a HC that happens to be Djokovic's best surface.
     
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    If Nadal and Djokovic met in the QFs of the slams instead, Nadal's ranking would drop back to about 7-10. Since I predict he will always lose to Djokovic, unless it's on clay.
     
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    I was looking at the live RACE rankings on that site though.. and it says Nadal is on 6,795 so that matches what you say, but it says Ferrer is on 5230.. so I guess live rankings site must be wrong?

    Confused by I'll take your word for it as sky said he could overtake Nadal too
     
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    The 6,030 pts I got for Ferrer came from the atpworldtour.com website. My best guess would be that they haven't updated for Ferrer's Paris win yet, but that still leaves 20 pts unaccounted for, so that might have something to do with some obscure countable tournament or something like that.

    EDIT: I see it now. Just looked at your link Towser. They haven't updated the 1000 pts Ferrer got for Paris. Without the update on the live site he had 5,030 pts before he won his match today, so now he has 5,230 pts after his win, but it should read 6,230 counting the pts from Paris.
     
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    oh thank you! didn't think that they hadn't added his paris points, now he has got a really good chance to make the top 4. Would feel a bit bad for him if he immediately draws nadal in his quarter at the AO after finally making the top 4 :lol: though he could well beat Nadal considering he has before and Nadal has been out for so long
     
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    He wasn't too great in Wimbledon last year either before the final. I'm thinking it's less noticeable on hc because he's better there, but it should still be true.
     
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    Nadal is also not the fastest starter either though. You could argue all the top guys are like that. They work their way into form for the latter end of the tournament. The truth is, by the time a QF comes around both guys should be warmed up.
     
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    I partly agree. Nadal, if his ranking drop to no 5 that is, could well end up in "Ferrer's section" which would pretty much have the same effect as him being in the top 4. There's a 50/50 chance of him ending up in one half or the other.

    This is what I think - if Nadal comes back fit enough to play regularly, he will be back to the top 4 in no time no matter what Ferrer does. If not, well, somebody has to take his place to fill in the blank. Without Nadal around the draw is unbalanced anyway.

    On second thought, it would be fun to see Nadal ranked 5th for a tournament or two to see what happens. We all know the story with the top 4 being the top 4 - they all end up in the semi-finals. What if Djokovic faces Nadal, Murray and Federer in the last 3 rounds, for example? I'd love to know.
     
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    (If Ferrer wins two single DC final matches and all his three RR-matches he'd be #4 as well)
     
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    Murray was seeded 5th at the 2010 and 2011 Australian Opens - played Rafa in the QFs in 2010. Spooky thing was he went to number 5 in the week of the draw on both occasions.
     
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    How dare Nadal fans believe that their fav player will still do well on clay with the clay season being roughly 5 months away(hopefully Nadal will have played a couple of months until then) and Nadal being arguably the best ever on this surface?

    I don't even understand what Tennis Hands is mad about - that a Nadal fan has faith in his favourite player? LOL.
     
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    Yes. And this opened the door for CILIC to make a grandslam semifinal. Makes it interesting.
     
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    Under your scenario Nadal would be ranked 7-10?

    Nadal would win 2-3 Master Shields per year:
    Monte Carlo.
    Rome.
    Maybe Madrid.

    And Nadal would win Roland Garros every year.

    And he would lose in the 4th Round of the other slams (even though Djokovic needed 6 hours to beat Nadal at the AO....).

    That sounds like a better year than Ferrer, and Ferrer is ranked 5th.
     
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    By the Australian Open, Nadal would have been out with an injury for more than 6 months.

    According to ATP rules, any player who has a recognised injury absence of between 6 months and one year will have a preserved ranking based on his average ranking over the first three months of his injury absence. This preserved ranking will last for his first 9 tournaments.

    Nadal's average ranking in his first three months of absence is 3, so he wil likely be ranked 3 for his first 9 tournaments back after injury.
     
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    Ferrer made 2 QF and 2 SF. He'd obviously love to win a major but 3 R16 exits would be very sub par for David at the moment
     
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    I'm assuming the 6 week off season counts? When did his injury officially begin? He played Wimbledon and did not lose by injury retirement so I am assuming it starts July 9 at the earliest (day after Wimbledon).

    That means six months would be January 9th, 5 days before AO. So when the draw is made, Rafa will be out less than six months, and also will have (hopefully) played a few exo matches.

    Will be interesting to see how that all works out.
     

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