Ferrer Too boring to Watch ?

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  1. Nostradamus

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    Is Ferrer too boring with his pusher's game ? Retrieving more retrieving and running, That is all Ferrer. Are the small guys under 5'9" or shorter now only limited to this type of playing style while boring the ticket holders to tears.
    Can short guys play like Berdych and Tsonga and still win ?
     
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    Dolgopolov plays like a madman, and Nishikori has a lehal forehand and is fun to watch!
     
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    Respect for Ferrer, he has the heart of a lion, but damn, watching him play is extremely boring, very predictable. Doubt if the shorter guys can play like Berdych and those guys - trajectory is all wrong, they'd net every ball:-?
     
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    He's a underrated hard worker, he's aggressive in his intentions but it really is quite boring to watch.
     
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  5. dominikk1985

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    he is not a pusher but actually an offensive baseline who like to take the ball early and make the opponent run but still I don't think he is exiting.


    he lacks those special strokes the top4 guys have.
     
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  6. Mike Sams

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    You have to respect a small man like Ferrer who's crushed the legendary Rafa in every non-clay Slam they've ever played! :shock:
     
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    Ferrer similar to Agassi ?

    Very good point. but Andre Agassi was a offensive baseliner who took the ball early and he was one HELL of exciting player to watch. Why Is Ferrer so boring compared to Agassi ?:confused:
     
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    Because he isn't Agassi...
     
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    He's not more boring to watch than Shankalot Fed, that's for sure.
     
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    Short guys ("short" in the tennis world, average on a world scale) like Chang or Ferrer are generally more nimble than tall guys. They can more easily play a grinder style without getting injured. I suppose that's why a lot them do play a grinder style. They can play an offensive style too; Chang certainly did at times and Ferrer could if he snuck in to net behind some of those wide-angled shots of his.
     
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    Agassi had deceptive power. He wouldn't look like he was taking a big swing and hit a 95 mph forehand up the line. This is Ferrer's biggest weakness, in my eyes. He doesn't hit the up the line shots well enough, and doesn't hit through the court enough to be like an Agassi.

    Look at Davydenko. Yes he was boring to an extent as well, but when playing well could hit every groundstroke in the book with pace and precision.
     
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    Well, I suppose you can look at it 2 ways. Does he want to play a riskier, more exciting style and lose? Or play like he does and win 90% of his matches? I respect Ferrer for showing discipline and playing within himself(and to his strengths) in most matches. I watched the match between Isner and Ferrer on clay recently and marveled at the discipline these 2 players exhibited. Isner cannot cover the court like Ferrer and Ferrer cannot serve or hit hard, flat groundstrokes the way Isner can.

    Yes, Ferrer's game is a little boring, but that game style gives him the best chance to win. Yes, a short player can play risky, hard hitting tennis and win. But it takes phenomenal timing, confidence and God given ability. See Marcelo Rios.
     
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    Exactly!!!! The fact that he is a sub 6ft man is the only thing most of us have in common with an athlete like Agassi. Just because you are the same size as Agassi, doesn't mean you can just work hard and turn into an elite player like Agassi.
     
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    As successful as he is for a guy his height in today's game he is ridiculously boring to watch.
     
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    His game is boring, but his fight and work ethic are remarkable. It is something to respect and learn from, no matter what your profession is.
     
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    Yep. And imagine if Fed didn't shank as much as he did. It would have been boring to witness his domination.
     
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    A actually don't find Ferrer that boring. Don't know why, but I can easily watch him play.

    If you find Ferrer boring, then you'll find 90% of tennis players boring. Semi-aggressive baseline grinding is the norm. I'm amazed at how similar everyone plays and how the matches basically look the same. The very top players have some added "wow" shots that make them more interesting, and, of course, the top players are playing each other when there is MUCH more at stake, so the occasion makes it more interesting - Murray vs. Djokovic in the USO -two stars playing for a huge title = exciting. But, if they played exactly the same way and they were just starting out their careers and I didn't really know them, and this was a second round match in San Jose, it would be somewhat boring.
     
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    Ferrer is not playing to impress fans. He plays to win and grinds it out there. If possible, I will take a page out of Ferrer's book and use it against my opponents.
     
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    I like to watch Ferrer. It makes the opponent come up with special things to beat him. He is a great sounding board to another top player. To me, a Ferrer/Berdych matchup is great.
     
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    Admittedly I'd rather watch a Rosol/Soderling/Del Potro over someone like Ferrer, but otherwise I find him quite interesting.

    It's the time between points that makes todays game occasionally tedious to me though, not the opposing playing styles.
     
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    Ferrer is fantastic to watch. The way he moves his opponents around the court is outstanding and a lesson to all tennis players who can't just blow their opponents off the court.

    He is super energised, positive and cunning when he plays - traits which I think make him highly entertaining to watch.
     
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    He's OK. I just cringe when he pays the price for lacking the firepower to rip the forehand like the top 4.
     
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    Agassi had more natural power then ferrer and was better out of the Corners.

    ferrer is actually not that fast, when he is ran into his BH he is often just pushing it back because he is out pof Position.

    his strength is taking the middle and then making the Opponent run like crazy. ferrer is the most exhausting Opponent to Play, 2 sets against him are like 4 sets against a normal Player:).

    however he doesn't have that ability to create pressure out of the Corners that the top 4 have. out of the middle of the court he is really offensive but pushed into the Corners he cannot do much with the ball.

    however the Players outside the top4 usually are not able to push him into the Corners since they are themselves forced to hit on the run
     
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    LOL, Ferrer is not that FAST. LOL. He is the Fastest player on Tour EVER in history of tennis
     
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    I respect his game and efforts.

    He really is a guy who maxed out his talent and ability.

    that said, I only watch ferrer because of his opponents and not the player himself.
     
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    Ferrer is good to watch on hardcourts.

    Not on anything else.
     
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    It's always enjoyable whenever there is a key match between Ferrer and Berdych or Ferrer and Del Petro, and 90% of people here have already penciled one of the 6'5ers in for the next round. Then Ferrer proceeds to slaughter them in straights.
     
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    Yeah, Ferrer is often NIGHTMARE for Ferrer and Berdych. And he doesn't just outdefend them.
     
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    Ferrer is a nightmare for Rafa off clay much like Davydenko is if you actually pay attention to their hardcourt matches. Their AO 2011 match showed Nadal having a massive amount of difficulty trying to outdefend and outhit Ferrer and that's BEFORE Nadal injured himself in the match. Injury or not, Nadal wasn't going to leave the stadium that night without a war. Because of his fantastic ROS, Ferrer gets into all of Nadal's service games.
    Ferrer seems to have the game to give massive trouble to Nadal and Murray on hardcourts.
     
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    Not Murray on hardcourts. Murray is better at almost everything than Ferrer on hardcourts.

    However, Ferrer gives Murray MAJOR trouble on clay. Murray's never won against him on the dirt before.
     
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    Um, no? He's not even close.
     
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    Yeah, Murray had plenty of trouble against Ferrer in their Semifinals of AO 2011 I remember. Murray had to save a set point to avoid going down 2 sets to 1. Ferrer also bashed him at the WTF and gave him more than enough trouble at Wimbledon.
     
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    Not as boring as Ralph though.
     
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    How is Ferrer boring to watch? He just dug a hole in the Doha court.

    DAVID FERRER THE COURT DESTROYER! :twisted:
     
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    this. maybe i'm wrong but it seemed like agassi used to hit a little earlier than ferrer does. i don't watch alot of ferrer for reasons already discussed (the boring bit) so i could be wrong.
     
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    Yea, then why does 99% of the TW forum members find Dustin Brown more exciting in this match.:)
     
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    It has nothing to do with his height, it is his style of play and his personality (or non-personality I should say.) He truly is boring to watch and I never watch him unless he is playing against some player I like and even then, my interest level is not at its highest. He is a player who has a great attitude and fighting spirit no doubt, but he is a bore to watch (for me at least.)
     
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    yeah it's amazing how he owns the tall hard hitters.

    DP, Sod, tsonga and berdych all have **** poor records against that little man despite their 135 mph serves and 100 mph FHs.

    ferrer has trouble against the guys who canhit relatively hard AND move well like the big 4 (minus murray who matches up relatively even with ferrer although I think now that he is hitting his prime he will hold the advantage) since even if he makes them run they are able to counter even stronger.#

    guys like tsonga or DP can hit 100 mph FHs easily but if they are forced to run they either lose power or accuracy (they have to take something off or it is UE galore).
     
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    dustin is a rasta dude:D. how could you not find him exiting, even if his tennis sucked?:)
     
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    It's his return of serve (which I'm sure has been said). He can get into more points, neutralize big servers more often than most people. So, if he get into the point, the second-tier big hitters (Tsonga, Berdych, for example) really have no great advantage over him and he can outrun and outlast them. Sure, sometimes those players can be "on" and can hit enough winners/force enough errors to pull out the victory, but it's hard to do that consistently. Players like Fed, Nadal, Djokovic obviously have more game to rely on if Ferrer gets into the point off their serve and they're still generally better than him.
     
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    Ferrer's not a pusher. He hits pretty heavy balls, he's just more of a baseline grinder. He's definitely got something behind his shots.
     
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    Witness the excitement in this clip featuring Rafa in just the fourth game of a freshly cracked open match when his lapdog had just started getting the better of him. Game four: this is exciting tennis by the way...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN16WPJ2k7U#t=3m44s

    That exciting display of tennis is called "moonballing."
    If you would like ot see more such exciting tennis, please refer to the Rosol match. So, his overarching strategy is: either you will succumb to his bullying ground strokes, or he will take his toys home and start moonballing you.
     
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    I don't think Davy was boring watch. At his best, he took the ball early and crushed it. Davy was way more offensive in his prime. Ferrer can hit great angles and redirect the ball at will he doesn't have a ton of his pace with his compact strokes. He can be kind of boring to watch if he is just defending and waiting for error. However, he can and does play aggressively when he can. I just question how Ferru can continue to grind out matches week after week without ever getting injured. Is the guy on roids? Ferru probably enters more tournaments anyone else in the top 20.
     
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    Davy is super boring because he volleys like USTA 4.0 player at best.
     
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