FH: Pointing Butt of Racket at Ball

[deluxe]

Why don't we take this face to face? We'll see how tough you are without your computer eh?

WTF?

So in a backhand, should I just let my right arm go and just hit the ball and then throw my left arm backwards or open my chest then?

As an admitted 1.5 NTRP beginner who doesn't know how to coordinate his arms on his backhand, don't you think it would be better to listen to the advice given rather than pretending you know it all and then calling acknowledged experts out for a fight?

 

[TropicThunder]

WTF?



As an admitted 1.5 NTRP beginner who doesn't know how to coordinate his arms on his backhand, don't you think it would be better to listen to the advice given rather than pretending you know it all and then calling acknowledged experts out for a fight?

I was making that question for someone else, because I'm not an expert on all the teeny details, I never said I was. Did that ever cross your mind?

 

[deluxe]

I was making that question for someone else, because I'm not an expert on all the teeny details, I never said I was. Did that ever cross your mind?

You are not an expert on any of the details, are you Pablo?

 

[TropicThunder]

You are not an expert on any of the details, are you Pablo?

No, are you?

 

[deluxe]

You are not an expert on any of the details, are you Pablo?

No, are you?

No.

Since this is the "Tennis Tips/Instruction" forum, perhaps it would wiser for you to listen to those who are experts rather than coming here to challenge them to fights. If you want to do that, you should ask the admins to create a "fight challenge" section. You could have a thread all to yourself there: "Pablo challenges Bungalow Bill". We could all stay in this thread and discuss technique, you could go there and do your WWE routine.

 

[TropicThunder]

No.

Since this is the "Tennis Tips/Instruction" forum, perhaps it would wiser for you to listen to those who are experts rather than coming here to challenge them to fights. If you want to do that, you should ask the admins to create a "fight challenge" section. You could have a thread all to yourself there: "Pablo challenges Bungalow Bill". We could all stay in this thread and discuss technique, you could go there and do your WWE routine.

I know he's an expert, but he was making fun of me and putting me down, as I said before somewhere else, not to mention making me look like an idiot

 

[deluxe]

I know he's an expert, but he was making fun of me and putting me down, as I said before somewhere else, not to mention making me look like an idiot

He's not the one making you look like an idiot. And it is funny when someone claims in one thread that they can beat 5.5 level players, after describing their strokes as "short and slow", and in another thread asks how to coordinate their arms on their backhand.

 

[TropicThunder]

He's not the one making you look like an idiot. And it is funny when someone claims in one thread that they can beat 5.5 level players, after describing their strokes as "short and slow", and in another thread asks how to coordinate their arms on their backhand.

didn't you read what I told you about that question? I was making it for someone else, and besides, those aren't 5.5 players

 

[deluxe]

didn't you read what I told you about that question? I was making it for someone else, and besides, those aren't 5.5 players

We can all read your question.

That's Chris Manzinali. Currently ranked 369th in Canada.

http://www.tenniscanada.com/tennis_...xt/English/openrankingsaugust1menssingles.pdf

 

[TropicThunder]

We can all read your question.

That's Chris Manzinali. Currently ranked 369th in Canada.

http://www.tenniscanada.com/tennis_...xt/English/openrankingsaugust1menssingles.pdf

why do you say "all we"? I'm just talking to you here

 

[deluxe]

We can all read your question.

That's Chris Manzinali. Currently ranked 369th in Canada.

http://www.tenniscanada.com/tennis_...xt/English/openrankingsaugust1menssingles.pdf

why do you say "all we"? I'm just talking to you here

Why do you think a top 400 player in Canada isn't 5.5?

 

[TropicThunder]

Why do you think a top 400 player in Canada isn't 5.5?

I don't even know if that guy is that guy you pointed out, but whatever, let's just drop it, it's getting very boring now.

 

[deluxe]

I don't even know if that guy is that guy you pointed out, but whatever, let's just drop it, it's getting very boring now.

Classic...

 

[Bungalo Bill]

Why don't we take this face to face? We'll see how tough you are without your computer eh?

Really? This sounds like a real threat. Should I be worried?

Bottom-line is your attitude in your posts comes across like you are a snotty 6-year old.

 

[TropicThunder]

Really? This sounds like a real threat. Should I be worried?

Bottom-line is your attitude in your posts comes across like you are a snotty 6-year old.

No you shouldn't. I'm not a snotty 6 year old

 

[Bungalo Bill]

No you shouldn't. I'm not a snotty 6 year old

Okay, I guess we can move on then.

 

[TropicThunder]

Okay, I guess we can move on then.

I guess so

 

[Alexio92]

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lol

 

[Sublime]

Hate to interrupt up the ****ing match, but I want thank Bungalo Bill for a couple of tips that really helped.

On my forehand I focused on passing through the "pat the dog" position during my swing and driving my non-dominant arm back (like I'm trying to elbow someone in the face that's behind me ). Not only did this help my power, but also added more topspin... So I can only assume it added a great deal of head speed to my swing.

On my backhand I focused on getting my weight on my front foot and staying 45 degrees from contact... I was ripping my backhand, especially my service returns. I have a ton more confidence in it now. So again. Thanks BB.

 

[coolblue123]

^^ yeah, I second that! Patting Spike works! I guess it allowed me to follow through and assisted in hitting through the ball.
Once again, great instructions!
thx BB!

 

[Bungalo Bill]

Hate to interrupt up the ****ing match, but I want thank Bungalo Bill for a couple of tips that really helped.

You are welcome.

On my forehand I focused on passing through the "pat the dog" position during my swing and driving my non-dominant arm back (like I'm trying to elbow someone in the face that's behind me ). Not only did this help my power, but also added more topspin... So I can only assume it added a great deal of head speed to my swing.

Haha, that "elbow someone in the face that's behind me" is a good one. I actually picked up my racquet to get the feel of what you were saying and I can agree with it! Good job on the "aid" in how to use the non-dominant arm.

It does feel really good though doesn't it? Doesn't feel like such a simple move that largerly goes unnoticed and unappreciated? However, once you connect with it your rotation is in control, you have a slight almost "airy" acceleration into the ball, and it simply feels right.

Well at least that is what I got out of it.

On my backhand I focused on getting my weight on my front foot and staying 45 degrees from contact... I was ripping my backhand, especially my service returns. I have a ton more confidence in it now. So again. Thanks BB.

Excellent! Master this and then you can move on into the open stance version, and sort of "tweak" the brush up the ball to finesse the ball or hit sharp angles. However, do not do this until you have mastered the fundamentals. The add-ons are enhancements to your fundamental stroke, they are not the fundamentals.

 

[Bungalo Bill]

^^ yeah, I second that! Patting Spike works! I guess it allowed me to follow through and assisted in hitting through the ball.
Once again, great instructions!
thx BB!

You are welcome too! So simple isn't it?

It also sets up a momentum based windshield wiper motion which can be enhanced as you master the motion. However, like I told the poster above, you will have a very good forehand just repeatedly getting the fundamental stroke down. Just dont be in a hurry to "add" things before the stroke matures.

 

[TennisTrainee]

I was hoping to find some golden nuggets of information in the flame-war, but all I found was this:

You have how many posts? 48? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<shakes head> So if someone isn't a hall of famer on TW forums, he doesn't know anything about tennis? I'm not defending thunder-boy here, but BB, you're better than that.

On a different note, someone mentioned that many WTA players use the "Push" method. I always thought the "Pull" method was the right one? Could someone explain the differences to me?

 

[TennisTrainee]

I'd like to edit, but I haven't posted enough to do so...

I've been having problems with topspin for my backhand. After learning the WW forehand to great success, I was thinking if it were possible to WW a 1h backhand? (I use the western backhand grip, it's the same as a semi-western forehand)

 

[Sublime]

You are welcome.
It does feel really good though doesn't it? Doesn't feel like such a simple move that largerly goes unnoticed and unappreciated? However, once you connect with it your rotation is in control, you have a slight almost "airy" acceleration into the ball, and it simply feels right.

I had been "muscling" my swing... trying to add pronation, trying to keep the face neutral at contact, trying to emphasis the brush up, etc... At best all this came together for a good shot about half the time. Throwing that out and focusing on a couple aids really helped. I just let my wrist/forearm do what it wants to do. Racket face was finally fully controlled by contact point. I like that as I get this down and not have to think about, I can add a little pronation for a WW when I need that extra top spin.

But you're right about the "airy" acceleration... your arm is just along for the ride... it's the rudder on the boat steering your racket to contact.

Excellent! Master this and then you can move on into the open stance version, and sort of "tweak" the brush up the ball to finesse the ball or hit sharp angles. However, do not do this until you have mastered the fundamentals. The add-ons are enhancements to your fundamental stroke, they are not the fundamentals.

Open stance backhand?

 

[Bungalo Bill]

I was hoping to find some golden nuggets of information in the flame-war, but all I found was this

<shakes head> So if someone isn't a hall of famer on TW forums, he doesn't know anything about tennis? I'm not defending thunder-boy here, but BB, you're better than that.

That is all you found? LOL! That one post?

Believe me, everyone that doesn't like flaming, flames themselves. Everyone that says "keep the peace", makes war themselves. Nobody is immune from being flamed or flaming themselves.

I can't tell you how many people here play victim to posts they didnt like only to turn around and to put up a post with swear words, personal remarks, and anything else. Of course, their post is okay. YEAH RIGHT!

And to step into the middle of a converstation and mention you couldn't find anything just tells me you are too lazy to read.

It takes no time at all to scroll through the posts in this thread and look for information you can use. It takes no time at all to skip the posts that you don't need to read.

On a different note, someone mentioned that many WTA players use the "Push" method. I always thought the "Pull" method was the right one? Could someone explain the differences to me?

We already have over and over again. Try doing a search.

 

[TennisTrainee]

That is all you found? LOL! That one post?

Yes. I'm not sure you understood me, though. In your conversation with Tropic, I was hoping you'd rebut him with helpful tips. I was wrong.

I can't tell you how many people here play victim to posts they didnt like only to turn around and to put up a post with swear words, personal remarks, and anything else. Of course, their post is okay. YEAH RIGHT!

I'm not sure if you understood me. I wasn't saying Tropc's posts were okay.

And to step into the middle of a converstation and mention you couldn't find anything just tells me you are too lazy to read.

It takes no time at all to scroll through the posts in this thread and look for information you can use. It takes no time at all to skip the posts that you don't need to read.

We already have over and over again. Try doing a search.

You make gross assumptions about me. I both read the thread and did a search.

I won't reply again, so feel free to put in the last word if you need to.

 

[Bungalo Bill]

Yes. I'm not sure you understood me, though. In your conversation with Tropic, I was hoping you'd rebut him with helpful tips. I was wrong.



I'm not sure if you understood me. I wasn't saying Tropc's posts were okay.



You make gross assumptions about me. I both read the thread and did a search.

I won't reply again, so feel free to put in the last word if you need to.

THE LAST WORD.

 

[FloridaAG]

You are welcome.



Haha, that "elbow someone in the face that's behind me" is a good one. I actually picked up my racquet to get the feel of what you were saying and I can agree with it! Good job on the "aid" in how to use the non-dominant arm.

It does feel really good though doesn't it? Doesn't feel like such a simple move that largerly goes unnoticed and unappreciated? However, once you connect with it your rotation is in control, you have a slight almost "airy" acceleration into the ball, and it simply feels right.

Well at least that is what I got out of it.

The use of the non-dominant hand on the forehand is a great tip and something that i never focused on until my recent Vermont trip. I used the left hand for balance etc., but never really focusing on it moving in conjunction with the stroke - I ma now and getting more power with less effort etc., due to added torque and body turn etc.

 

[Bungalo Bill]

The use of the non-dominant hand on the forehand is a great tip and something that i never focused on until my recent Vermont trip. I used the left hand for balance etc., but never really focusing on it moving in conjunction with the stroke - I ma now and getting more power with less effort etc., due to added torque and body turn etc.

Doesnt it feel right? It makes the stroke feel so much smoother and "together". Such an overlooked area.

Incorporate the "scan" of the contact zone when your rotation is coiling and uncoiling, then fold that non-dominant arm back in as your rotation increases and the hitting arm goes through.

It should feel very good, powerful, and effortless all at the same time.

 

[FloridaAG]

Yup - pro with very classic strokes (unlike me with my western forehand) got me to focus on it - I am working on the timing etc., but it feels great.

 

[gerli]

Thanks BB, for the tip with the non dominat hand. My FH works now much better, with more spin.

Do you have also such a great tip for my 1HBH which works somedays great somedays bad.

Thanks