FH. Pronation . Roll over the ball?

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  1. BORISK

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    Forehand. Majority of people say "do not roll over the ball".
    But: contacting below sweet spot & moving racket forward is actualy ROLL OVER.
    In addition , pronation is actualy ROLL OVER.
    Q. Contacting below sweet spot + PRONATION = ROLL OVER ???
     
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  2. PhrygianDominant

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    no.
    hit low to high, do not roll over the ball
     
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  3. Limpinhitter

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    If, by rolling over, you mean closing the racquet face, then, no. If you pronate correctly, creating the familiar WW motion, the racquet face should remain mostly vertical throughout contact and finish with, perhaps, a very slight forward lean if you are hitting a ball chest high or above. Think of the low to high swing path combined with pronation as causing the racquet to carve through the air like a propeller.
     
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  4. boramiNYC

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    when there is a lot of horizontal component to the swing it will appear like rolling over but intentionally trying to create this effect causes the contact point to move too far back and arm the ball. pretty common error by even quite advanced rec players. for an effective roll over type shot forward weight transfer must be very pronounced combined with normal topspin finish. without a very strong and flexible core such shot is very difficult to pull off consistently. it's best to master more basic topspin shots first before attempting try harder stuff. otherwise the game breaks apart and cause loss of confidence.
     
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  5. LeeD

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    Can't roll over the ball bacause at contact, the ball leaves your racket.
    Contact is at the end of the loaded forearm.
     
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  6. rkelley

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    Just to concur with the others: No, do not try to roll over the ball. You'll just create problems for yourself in setting the racquet angle at contact. The time of contact is so short that any changing of the racquet angle of the ball is meaningless. The ball will only be affected by the angle at the moment of contact. If you're changing that angle through the contact zone you've just added an unnecessary variable that will decrease your consistency.

    You should be focused on setting the racquet angle during the forward swing well before contact and creating a swing path that moves upwards and somewhat forward through the contact zone. The amount up and forward is dependent on how much topspin verses hitting through the ball you want.

    Lastly, pronation is not roll over. The only way this would be true is if your racquet and your lower are in line with each other during contact. If that's the case then there are bigger problems with the swing than the roll over issue.
     
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  7. albesca

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    agree. I do it on 1h backhand, in fact, i hit the 1h backhand with a good weight transfer and very "solid" contact... the ball goes heavy and with a good arc.. i supinate at contact

    in FH i have a poor weight transfer... and, if I swing too fast, pronation doesn't help me to curve the ball in court as happens in my backhand.
     
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  9. BORISK

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    SPACEDIVER http://blog.tennisspeed.com/2011/05/...nd-part-1.html
    YES,YES,YES.
    Is't it not roll over?

    To LEED. "Can't roll over the ball bacause at contact, the ball leaves your racket.
    Contact is at the end of the loaded forearm."'
    Don't agree. Contact is NOT the end. If you overdo pronation { roll over} ball goes to the net.
    Don't forget racket is moving forward too, with the ball.
     
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  10. TennisCJC

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    My opinion and it is a strong opinion but feel free to ignore it.

    DO NOT EVER ROLL OVER A FOREHAND. Don't think rollover, don't manipulate the wrist to "roll over" - nada - don't do it - kiss of certain death - stop it - quit it - don't start doing it.

    I think I have made my thoughts clear.

    OK to hit with slightly close face, OK to roll-over or pronate LONG AFTER THE BALL IS GONE into a WW follow-thru. OK to hit center or below center at contact. But not OK to roll at or near contact.

    You want a passive wrist several inches before and several inches after contact for consistency. Relaxed, even loose but passive. No fancy crap with the wrist unless you like to hit the occasional brilliant shot followed by 3 misses.
     
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