Finally Some Justice: Nadal engages in gamesmanship

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Chopin, Mar 17, 2012.

  1. Chopin

    Chopin Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2004
    Messages:
    4,103
    Location:
    St. John, USVI
    Ladies & Gentlemen,

    I was quite, quite happy when Federer aced Nadal after the rain delay and sent Nadal and his time-wasting ways packing.

    Look, I've played competitive tennis (USTA juniors, coached college tennis), and taking a bathroom break during a set is something that a junior player does. If you have to use the bathroom, you do it after the set. Given Nadal's history of injury timeouts and slow play, what are we to think when Nadal takes a bathroom break down 5-4 in the second set as the rains steadily increases in intensity?

    While Nadal is a great champion, his engages in gamesmanship, and I, along with countless other tennis fans, call for the umpires to enforce the rule which state that a player shall take no more than 25 seconds between points.

    Best,
    Chopin
     
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2012
    #1
  2. JohnnyCracker

    JohnnyCracker Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2007
    Messages:
    696
    were you surprise by that bathroom break? :)
     
    #2
  3. DjokovicForTheWin

    DjokovicForTheWin Banned

    Joined:
    May 30, 2011
    Messages:
    5,811
    100% agree. Nadal is just pathetic.
     
    #3
  4. drakulie

    drakulie Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    24,466
    Location:
    FT. Lauderdale, Florida
    Nadal is a cheat, and bad sport. Nothing new. Only thing surprising is the weak chair umps not putting an end to it.

    by the way, 5 star thread! :)
     
    #4
  5. ChanceEncounter

    ChanceEncounter Professional

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2009
    Messages:
    1,269
    What Nadal does is fine. The blame goes for the umpires and tennis associations for not enforcing their own rules. None of the players have any obligation to uphold the rules of some hegemony if they aren't called for violating them.
     
    #5
  6. Atherton2003

    Atherton2003 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2008
    Messages:
    3,300
    Excuse me, but I'd rather not see a player pee or crap in their pants.
     
    #6
  7. phnx90

    phnx90 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2010
    Messages:
    3,064
    Location:
    Banned
    Doesn't Roger take bathroom breaks in the middle of sets too?
     
    #7
  8. purple-n-gold

    purple-n-gold Professional

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2008
    Messages:
    1,326
    Location:
    Down East
    justice served #2nite
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2012
    #8
  9. Seany

    Seany Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2008
    Messages:
    1,445
    Not only that...did you see the way he was looking at the umpire on match point, you could read him so easily.

    "Pleaaaassseee umpire stop the match, because it hurts my ego so much to lose to this old man, and perhaps this completely unnecessary break will make him choke, because I know I can't beat him when he plays like this !! "
     
    #9
  10. DjokovicForTheWin

    DjokovicForTheWin Banned

    Joined:
    May 30, 2011
    Messages:
    5,811
    Yeah so often that you only have that one incident on your mind :)
     
    #10
  11. MAX PLY

    MAX PLY Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2008
    Messages:
    1,699
    The way Roger was beating him, Nadal had already crapped his pants--he took the break to empty them.

    Seriously, a punk move by Rafa--nice to see Fed put him away like he should have several times before.
     
    #11
  12. Hood_Man

    Hood_Man Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2009
    Messages:
    8,273
    Location:
    Wales
    Was the bathroom break really that long? He seemed to come back pretty quickly I thought.
     
    #12
  13. Atherton2003

    Atherton2003 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2008
    Messages:
    3,300
    How the heck can anyone know if he had to go or not? Honestly, I don't understand people complaining about the bathroom break. When nature calls, you can't hold it in. He didn't take that long and came right back out with no time delay. You think it's easy to keep playing if you have to do a #1?
     
    #13
  14. rommil

    rommil Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2004
    Messages:
    7,706
    Location:
    CT
    Rafa wanted to check what the TT peoples are writing.
     
    #14
  15. abmk

    abmk G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2008
    Messages:
    15,706
    Location:
    U.S
    referring to AO 2010 QF vs davydenko ? It was after set 1 was over , not in the middle of the set ....
     
    #15
  16. phnx90

    phnx90 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2010
    Messages:
    3,064
    Location:
    Banned
    Didn't occur to me that Rafa took bathroom breaks habitually. MTOs though, yeah, sure.

    These people also think they know tennis better than Rafa/Roger themselves; no surprise if they think that Rafa does everything on purpose, which should come as rather contradictory since they also assert that Rafa's as dumb as a rock. Next up: aliens built the pyramids, the US government faked the moon landing and set up 9/11.
     
    #16
  17. rommil

    rommil Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2004
    Messages:
    7,706
    Location:
    CT
    No you are wrong. It was when Davydenko was about to second serve( just give them something to work with, abmk:)
     
    #17
  18. MichaelNadal

    MichaelNadal Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2007
    Messages:
    28,966
    Location:
    Tuning Up The Band...
    Do you know how anti-Nadal this board is? This is just another lynch mob party.
     
    #18
  19. drakulie

    drakulie Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    24,466
    Location:
    FT. Lauderdale, Florida
    all of a sudden when the other guy is about to serve, the urge to go PP hit him? don't tell me he hasn't been toliet trained, which would explain all the butt-picking. Fact is, if he had to go when he called for the break, he must have already been feeling the urge before he served, or has he not learned to hold it?????? like the rest of the human polulation once toilet trained.


    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2012
    #19
  20. Atherton2003

    Atherton2003 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2008
    Messages:
    3,300
    Who knows if he had to take a pee or not. Maybe he has a bladder problem. It is very difficult to hold it when the urge suddenly hits. He did not take long, nor did it delay the game in any way - so let's move on from this senseless topic.
     
    #20
  21. canuckfan

    canuckfan Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2007
    Messages:
    750
    The bathroom break at 4-5 was a disgrace. Nadal's history with this behavior is crystal clear, he consistently does it before his opponent's serve and not his own. It's an embarassment to the game. Any fan who doesn't see it is the kind of player who would do the same thing in a match. Chopin, I'm with you on this one. There are several great things about nadal's game but the gamesmanship is terrible.

    The ITF needs to rewrite the rule so any break (injury, bathroom, whatever) must be taken before a player's own serve, not the serve of the opponent. If you're not fit enough to last one more game until your own serve, it's your own fault and you should have to forfeit one game. Then none of this BS would be possible.
     
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2012
    #21
  22. Atherton2003

    Atherton2003 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2008
    Messages:
    3,300
    Fact is, when we all become pro tennis players and have the urge to take a pee and have to somehow continue on without being allowed to relieve oneself, then we can all talk....until then, I say Rafa's bathroom break was acceptable and it in no way delayed the game.
     
    #22
  23. Atherton2003

    Atherton2003 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2008
    Messages:
    3,300
    why do men pee on trees or wherever they can in public? Do you expect them to wait to get to a bathroom? Sometimes it is quite simply, not possible. Men should know it and understand that nature calls and when it does, you often can't wait. Let's please move on from this inane topic.
     
    #23
  24. drakulie

    drakulie Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    24,466
    Location:
    FT. Lauderdale, Florida
    [​IMG]
     
    #24
  25. rommil

    rommil Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2004
    Messages:
    7,706
    Location:
    CT
    Nadal only can use the 10 count....... 16 is Federer's:)
     
    #25
  26. Atherton2003

    Atherton2003 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2008
    Messages:
    3,300
    LOL...yes, Fed makes sure he wears his Depends.
     
    #26
  27. drakulie

    drakulie Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    24,466
    Location:
    FT. Lauderdale, Florida

    Good one!! :)

    Who would have known after all this time, that rafa isn't toilet trained. I love all these new excuses.
     
    #27
  28. Atherton2003

    Atherton2003 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2008
    Messages:
    3,300
    How does one know that Fed wasn't carry around a crap in his pants?
     
    #28
  29. Atherton2003

    Atherton2003 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2008
    Messages:
    3,300
    Generally, men who don't like Nadal are jealous of his good looks and nice physique.
     
    #29
  30. mandy01

    mandy01 G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2008
    Messages:
    11,518
    yes, but there's a bigger break between two sets .
     
    #30
  31. drakulie

    drakulie Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    24,466
    Location:
    FT. Lauderdale, Florida
    he was, but unlike Nadal,,,, is toilet trained.
     
    #31
  32. tennis_pro

    tennis_pro G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2011
    Messages:
    16,674
    Location:
    Poland, eating bigos and ┼╝eberka
    hahaha:)....
     
    #32
  33. Atherton2003

    Atherton2003 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2008
    Messages:
    3,300
    Actually, Nadal needs the 18 count and Fed needs the 10 count.
     
    #33
  34. Nathaniel_Near

    Nathaniel_Near G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Messages:
    19,113
    Location:
    Relax folks, ...
    Bingo!


    .....
     
    #34
  35. OddJack

    OddJack Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2009
    Messages:
    9,584
    Location:
    South
    All Nadal was missing was tapping his racket on court like Kirilenko.

    A new low for Nadal.
     
    #35
  36. SLD76

    SLD76 Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2009
    Messages:
    9,781
    Location:
    Minneapolis, North of the Wall
    you speak alot of crapping in pants.

    somebody sounds butthurt.
     
    #36
  37. tudwell

    tudwell Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2007
    Messages:
    4,409
    Who cares? The better player won tonight.
     
    #37
  38. Chopin

    Chopin Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2004
    Messages:
    4,103
    Location:
    St. John, USVI
    The fact is that I can rarely, if ever, remember Federer taking any "injury timeout" or "bathroom break" during a set, though Nadal often does this.
     
    #38
  39. ChanceEncounter

    ChanceEncounter Professional

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2009
    Messages:
    1,269
    Everyone would take advantage of it if they knew the umpires wouldn't call it. The umpires need to come down on the rules more regularly, then players will regulate themselves out of fear of it being called.
     
    #39
  40. sbengte

    sbengte Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2010
    Messages:
    8,464
    I don't know. Please enlighten us when was the last time Fed took a bathroom break in the middle of a set ? I remember Nadal took one between games in his WTF 2011 RR match against Fish.
     
    #40
  41. forthegame

    forthegame Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2009
    Messages:
    3,495
    Location:
    Intercontinental
    Missed the incident but what's wrong with going to the loo if you're in the middle of a rain delay?
     
    #41
  42. sbengte

    sbengte Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2010
    Messages:
    8,464
    Which one ?:shock:
     
    #42
  43. pvaudio

    pvaudio Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Messages:
    7,543
    No, they don't. Nadal, however, consistently does. The people who claim that all of this is legitimate are either ignorant or simply bitter that their favorite player is a gamesman. He's been doing this for years.
     
    #43
  44. DjokovicForTheWin

    DjokovicForTheWin Banned

    Joined:
    May 30, 2011
    Messages:
    5,811
    I presume he was thinking about the one against Davydenko at the AO2010.
     
    #44
  45. pvaudio

    pvaudio Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Messages:
    7,543
    1. How often do you see players take bathroom breaks?

    2. It was before his opponent was to serve, not his. He only ever does it this way on purpose.

    3. It was not in the middle of a rain delay.
     
    #45
  46. DjokovicForTheWin

    DjokovicForTheWin Banned

    Joined:
    May 30, 2011
    Messages:
    5,811
    That's the point isn't it? Fed is 5 years older than Nadal and I'm sure he could use more time between points and he knows umps don't call it. Hell he was just complaining about that. Yet he consistently takes less time between points than most of the top guys. So there you go, not everyone does.
     
    #46
  47. sbengte

    sbengte Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2010
    Messages:
    8,464
    Why this urban legend being propagated by Fed fans themselves about that legal , non-disruptive bathroom break taken between sets in the Davy match is beyond me. Fed was back before the umpire called time so it is dumb to compare it with disruptive breaks taken *between* games in the middle of a set.
     
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2012
    #47
  48. Towser83

    Towser83 Legend

    Joined:
    May 17, 2011
    Messages:
    9,464
    lol actually i've seen some matches that were so boring some pants crapping might have been more entertaining
     
    #48
  49. mellowyellow

    mellowyellow Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2010
    Messages:
    2,553
    We will probably learn Rafito has a kidney stone = loss, and need of bathroom break.
     
    #49
  50. Don Felder

    Don Felder Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2004
    Messages:
    613
    It was sweet to see Fed punish this crap with that resounding ace.

    My buddy and I were texting back and forth. I told him I guarantee if this gets close again, Nadal is calling the trainer or taking a bathroom break. And he did not disappoint. It was patently obvious he was hoping to buy time to get the rain delay. He knew Fed was tightening up. The begging for the delay at 40-30 after Fed won the brutal 30-30 point at 5-4 was merely the cherry on top. Pathetic. Any man finishes that point.

    I think the best solution is to allow mid-set bathroom breaks, injury TOs etc only before your own service game. Good solution whoever posted that earlier.
     
    #50

Share This Page