Finding my strokes after 20 years. Stroke video inside

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  1. Topspin Shot

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    Yes, but not in singles. In doubles, you have to stand inside (or technically on) the imaginary extension of the doubles sideline.
     
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    thanks. I have never tried to stand outside the singles line in dubs so I did not find out:).
     
  3. Greg G

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    I have great editing skills :)
     
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    Looks like four solid players. You seem to be the best player there, or at least you seem to me to be playing better than the others in these vids. Would I be correct in supposing that you are the best singles player of the group? Anyway, looks like your hard work and attention to detail is paying off.

    Great video quality and perspective. Also, I love that tennis court.

    Hope you're having a great holiday season Greg.
     
  5. Greg G

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    Hey Tom! Happy holidays to you too (and everyone else)! Been playing on that court since I was 8 years old! Lots of memories there :)

    The best player there by far is the guy in dark blue. Multiple open doubles championships. Roomful of trophies, from a family of tennis champions. Hit with Newcombe when he was a junior (said newk's serve was like a bolt of lightning). We would never even be on the same court with him back in the day. Classic serve and volley player. Age has brought him to our level...and he's not even playing too seriously there. :)
     
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  6. Greg G

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    Well the arm is getting better. Had a short hit today, making sure I was loose and hitting nice rally balls. Occasionally a bit too much independent arm movement, but I'm just happy I'm hitting pain free :)

    Warmup
    http://youtu.be/1hki6TmPUqU

    Super tiebreak
    http://youtu.be/f50zrBBhjwU
     
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    OK so I gave the arm a 2 month rest, it feels really great. But... I gained weight :(

    Anyway, finally back out there, hopefully more regularly from now on.

    Did a systems check on the forehand, somehow the PTD improved (probably all the shadow swinging at home and pretty much everywhere)...light hitting drills from 3 angles, then some more movement at the end, running around the backhand.
    http://youtu.be/ap_hWqwElE8

    The backhand was solid as usual, just needed some tweaking with the timing (started out hitting late)...and my slice seems to have more bite in it.
    http://youtu.be/E3oMypvgmCs

    Some live hitting with a lot of buggy whips for some reason (on low short skiddy balls).
    http://youtu.be/0pK-o0XLMBs

    Good to be back out on court! (yay me)
     
  9. Gyswandir

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    Welcome back Greg. Suffering from TE myself and after 7 months and a false start decided to get professional help (I know. Should have done that from the beginning)
     
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    A bit late processing the still sequence...

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    Some footage from yesterdays's racquet testing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2-xZjipwUM

    Forehand doing well, and am really working on the slice BH now.

    For some reason, I had a lightbulb moment with my forehand 2 weeks ago and it's been really clicking for me.

    There were 2 videos that triggered the lightbulb moment. The most ordinary videos did the job, who knew?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVUCmT3RMrQ

    I didn't expect that video to be much help, but what it ended up doing was it shifted my focus into that contact area, and the accelerated right to left brush across the ball. I think I was too obsessed with getting the off right. And that shift of focus brought instant pop to my forehand!

    The second video is ridiculously funny but it fixed my balance!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GdeRNYNbtfo#t=112

    Point play:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnNOrO5MgCI

    Was switching between demo racquets, so there are occasional wild shots that left me scratching my head...but overall I am very pleased with how I'm hitting it now.
     
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  13. LeeD

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    Watched 1:24.
    Nice low backhand volley.
    Horrid low backhand approach later, and a short volley to opponent's forehand?
     
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    Can't seem to find the horrid approach LeeD? :D

    Oh the one with the missed smash? Yeah well it could have been deeper. It made him bend forward though, wouldn't call it horrid...maybe "unintended" :D
     
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    After the excellent low backhand volley.
    You move to service line position, hit a low backhand approach short and right to your opponent's forehand.
    Then, you back it up with a low volley short and right to your opponent's forehand.
    Bad tactics, if you ask anyone.
     
  16. Greg G

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    Well give the guy credit for handcuffing me with a shot aimed for my left hip. But watch done more, there are better and worse points :)

    But I'll work on it LeeD! Thanks :)
     
  17. LeeD

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    You would not need to hit a tough service line overhead if your first approach shot was wide to the opponent's backhand side, then your next volley wide to the opposite corner.
    Instead, you would find your opponent huffing and puffing, asking for a break in play to regain his breathe and heartbeat.
     
  18. Greg G

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    Good point, and probably correct in that particular case. But I've been burned so many times in tournament play by the cross court approach that my first instinct is dtl, for better positioning.

    And that volley was meant to go cross court but it was hit near the throat area :)
     
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    Play the backhand side.
    Make the opponent MOVE for his passing shot attempt.
    NEVER play a short low approach that doesn't move your opponent. He has all day to decide topspin lob, short CC dipper, DTL fast past, or hit directly into your right hip pocket.
    Most players below 5.0 don't have good backhand passing shots, especially if they run over to the ball. They tend to slice lob, if anything, so you can stay a step back around 2' inside your service line.
     
  20. Greg G

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    Good point LeeD. Will work it into my patterns. Thanks again!
     
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    Nice form and consistency :)
     
  22. Greg G

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    OK redirecting back to the topic of my forehand...

    The emphasis on the right-left "swipe" over the top of the ball at contact is really working for me. I even got some sidespin action on the ball:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=w2-xZjipwUM#t=1

    I seem to get more sidespin when the balls are high in the strike zone:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=w2-xZjipwUM#t=74

    Now that's the sidespin that will send the ball tailing out on an inside out forehand. How do I hit the ball curving the other way, a la Rafa?

    Another thing that helped quite a bit is...mustering up the courage to actually go for the ball with intent. Hit it near the top of the bounce, and really want the forehand. I realize under pressure I had been shifting the other way, preferring to hit my better backhand. Same with returns, I was hoping they would serve to the backhand. Reversing that mentality really helped out.
     
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    This is off a tangent.
    What I see is, you are not prepping nearly early enough. Instead, you are trying to time the speed of the incoming ball, and take the racket back as the ball is coming towards you.
    Almost every vid of any good player, the player takes the racket halfway back, arms sorta wide, and has time to WAIT a partial second, then swings.
     
  24. Greg G

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    Yup, thanks for reminding me! I joined a pro am doubles event last december (for fun, my home club) and ended up losing in the 2nd round against a nationally ranked junior and his dad. Jeez the kid was hitting the cover off the ball! I was hitting almost every forehand sooo late, ended up sidelined for a couple weeks with a sore elbow. Gotta get that unit turn done faster. Any suggestions?

    Thanks again LeeD. :)
     
  25. LeeD

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    Just do as every ATP player does, left hand on throat, elbows apart, partial shoulder turn before the ball clears you net, wait a millisecond, then complete your backswing to the ball.
    Agassi showed it really well.
     
  26. 5263

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    Interesting...so what did you like? Seems to me one of his main points was at 4mins and very wrong...as he says to focus on torquing the racket around into contact.

    I do like what he said about learning it right from the start and letting go.
     
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    Which what do you want your Fh to curve?
    I prefer the left to right fade, working inside the ball, unless I have a special purpose to hook outside the ball, like a dipper or DTL.
     
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    Greg i have said since day 1 your strokes are great and i stand by it.i do like what you have done to improve, but in my opinion you are thinking too much and hence - late. Your prep just needs to happen sooner, but everything else is there. Just let it happen. If you just focus on prepping asap, the rest is going to flow for you.
     
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    Glad it helped you, but did you notice how all the top player he showed had their head tilted in and down a bit to contact? Whereas he kept his head very erect in his effort for upright posture? Imo there is a balance to be struck on these issues ....excuse the pun.
     
  30. Topspin Shot

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    In general, inside out sidespin comes naturally on high balls and hook sidespin on low balls. I wouldn't worry about sidespin too much though.
     
  31. Greg G

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    I don't know. It does seem a bit off, but it just brought a better awareness that when it comes down to it, the contact area is the most critical part of the stroke. And when I compared it to my backhand, I didn't have as much of that quick action around contact, like the energy was dissipated before it. That realization and subsequent adjustment brought instant improvement, without even practicing it on court. When I got on court, my forehand was just ON. :shock:
     
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    Yes I remember PP. Way back in page 3! I just have 1-2 hours per week of play now, so I have nothing but time to think :?

    OMG I went back to watch videos on page 1! Haha
     
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    I agree with you on that, his was an exaggerated example- but if it wasn't he might not have gotten his point across to me. That particular exercise (leaning on wall) just got me to make a small adjustment which really made me feel more solid on the FH side. I think I need to hold the finish some more though, just to emphasize the balance.
     
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    Was teaching my son to play yesterday, and did some light drills during his rest breaks. I always find hitting like this therapeutic :)

    Forehand
    http://youtu.be/f6BExPHLMyY

    At about 1:20 I start working on drop shot disguise.

    Backhand
    http://youtu.be/er2qCalUwXc

    At about 1:00 I start throwing in the slice and the drop shots.

    Comparing the 2, I think I need to widen my base on the FH (as usual).
     
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    Played a couple tiebreaks after an hour of hitting practice. Am about 15 lbs over fighting weight, and it shows. :p

    http://youtu.be/4LrxmPWUnxo

    http://youtu.be/axjp_zsvh2E

    Footwork and balance on forehands to the right side seem discombobulated. I hit much better moving to my left. -_-
     
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    Much better movement today. Was hitting the forehand a bit cleaner. Need more net clearance for depth though.

    http://youtu.be/Z40FrmRyxtc

    Hello? Hello? Anyone there? LOL
     
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    Well as you may have noticed the action nowadays takes place in another thread, which stages an epic battle of legendary proportions.

    Anyway, not bad at all. Sometimes a little late on your forehand, but some very nice shots, and despite a few too many lbs as you stated yourself, pretty decent court coverage. Also, not affraid to charge the net which is a good thing.
     
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    Thanks hawk eye. I think am hugging the baseline too much when I recover, which is why I get caught out by deep balls. Gotta work on that, and footwork/movement in general. Trying to break through this damned ceiling, feels like I've been stuck here forever.
     
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    i only watch the first video and the latest. looks like your moving a little better these days. i cant tell if your backhand is lendl or edberg. i think your backhand is a better shot that your forehand. pretty smooth when you are in position. looks nice...very classic. pretty nice looking serve as well. it reminds me of somebody but i cant put my finger on it. keep it up mate your looking good.

    do you have some french blood in you? You play a little like a frenchie.
     
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    Thanks magnut! My backhand has always been more natural to me. Been working on the forehand and serve.

    Ok I have no idea what playing like a Frenchman means... If you mean I hit like Gasquet, I'll happily accept it :)
     
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    Today's rally practice. Back view, front quarter view near the end.

    https://vimeo.com/107233721
    (trying out vimeo)

    #feetfeetfeet

    I noticed my thumb had been creeping up the back of the handle the past few weeks (lets me hit flatter), but it was getting a bit sore. Switched to a more hammer grip and got more range of motion. Got a bit more whip/topspin on it.
     
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    Latest practice footage. Had a bout of shankitis for a few weeks, I've mostly sorted it out now. Switched from the VCT89 to the VCT97 (310), just for a change, which is giving me a higher launch angle and a loopier ball. Backhands are less penetrating though.

    http://youtu.be/MYCPFr3yaFk

    Would appreciate some help on my forehand footwork/balance issues. I feel like on the FH, I am hitting off an unstable base. Like a tank turret on a wobbly platform.
     
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    Somehow somewhere it seems to have come together! Wider base helped stabilize the lower body. Shorter swing with more body than arm. Loose wrist, and now I sort of feel the "throwing action". Nice easy power. :D

    http://youtu.be/iJV_KzBeab8
     
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    Like the aggressiveness on the FH. Much higher rhs mainly I think due to a more involved core
     
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    Perhaps switching to a lighter racquet forced me to use more core? Whatever it is, I'm loving this Ai100.

    I need to work on the running forehand, I still suck at hitting it on the dead run. And a bit more consistency, which is all tied in with early prep/footwork. But I'm pretty pleased it's come together like this. I can't put my finger on when the lightbulb moment came, it just did. And I'm starting to build confidence in the shot, and going for it more, whereas I was kind of passive/defensive with it in the past.

    Some approach shot/volley drills. A lot of dead balls in my basket which sometimes throw me off....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU_BD7Fu3ko

    :)
     
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    Been enjoying playing with the Sony Tennis Sensor. It gives pretty useful information...I can't say how accurate swing speeds are, but I like the fact that I have some sort of repeatable measurement I can use.

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    The sensor app also links to Sony Motion Shot, which automatically generates still sequences...it's like having toly in my phone! :D

    The one thing that annoys me is the fact that I can't export video from the app...the best feature is the live motion capture with data! Hope they fix that in a future update.
     
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