First frame with the Wise 2086

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  1. bigbanger

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    The Wise 2086 just arrived yesterday and I got to do my first frame with it today. In just a few minutes, it was installed on my Alpha Apex and ready to go to work (the only part that took any effort at all was removing the Apex's tension head, although that was pretty straightforward). I had one hiccup on my first pull, but that was due to my own stupidity - I guess I didn't have the 2086 secured tightly enough to the Apex's tension bar, and the unit's entire housing began to slowly creep its way toward the racquet as it tried to pull tension on the first string. I tightened the connector with more force and all was well.

    The 2086 was a pleasure to use. It did everything exactly as advertised in the Wise video and wasn't nearly as loud as I thought it was going to be. The gripper has been redesigned so that it now uses roller bearings rather than ball bearings, and there is no longer an adjustment screw protruding from the rear (this was said to be yet another place around which string could get tangled). Instead, a small setscrew is now recessed into the back of the gripper housing that can be adjusted using a supplied allen key (my machine actually came with two keys). I haven't tried the prestretch or pulling speed options so I can't comment on their operation. But I am happy with what I've seen thus far and agree with others on this board that the Wise head is a no-brainer upgrade for anyone with a crank machine looking to go electric. I'll post back as I get more hands-on experience with it.
     
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  2. dancraig

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    Thanks for the report.
     
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  3. jatennis

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    Thanks for the report, I do have one question. How can you calibrate the head in another words do you calibrate with Spring tension calibrator?
    If you could comment on different tensions readings.
     
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  4. bigbanger

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    According to Wise, the head is 'self-calibrating' and calibrates itself each time it is powered on. Calibration can, however, be checked with a spring tension calibrator and the head can be user-calibrated, although the manual included with the Wise head suggests that this sort of calibrator is not accurate enough for precise calibration. Maybe someone with more experience with the Wise head (Gaines?) could comment on the maintenance of the Wise head's pulling accuracy over time.
     
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  5. ambro

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    I think Gaines mentioned a few times that he uses Olympic certified weights to check the calibration, and it has never been off.
     
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  6. bigbanger

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    I thought he used that technique to calibrate his calibrator, not the Wise head.
     
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    You might be right. Or I might be right. LOL We'll wait until Gaines replies.
     
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  8. rich s

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    Gaines uses the Olympic weights to calibrate the calibration tool.
     
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  9. Gaines Hillix

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    Correct, I use the weights to check the calibration tool itself. The Wise head has always been right on the mark when I've checked it. Herb says the Wise head can be recalibrated, but I've never needed to take him up on it.
     
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  10. theace21

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    Big Banner,
    Welcome to the Wise club...I bought mine in March and have been very happy with it...
     
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  11. jatennis

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    With all this good feed back, I am tempting to buy one. I just ordered Gamma 6004 it will ship this monday. I will post my feed back on that later.
     
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  12. wonder_wall

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    BB, what exactly is the total cost SHIPPED of that setup? I believe 1200 for the Apex shipped and 550 for the Wise head shipped, making it 1750 or is it a little more?
     
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  13. bigbanger

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    Yup, that's what I payed.
     
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  14. Steve Huff

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    Gaines, look what you started. I think Herb may owe you a commission check.

    I've used an Alpha calibrator, and mine has been accurate to the pound.
     
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  15. Gaines Hillix

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    LOL! I wish! :) Yea, the Alpha Revo and Apex with the Wise head seems to be a very popular setup. I am certainly happy with mine. The Wise head is one of the most creative developments I've seen in the stringing world in the last 5 years.
     
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  16. wonder_wall

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    Bigbanger, noone ever answered that question you brought up about how you keep the racket off the Wise head when doing the center mains (e.g. particularly on a "head side loop" racket and with the two center mains). Maybe you can answer it now. Did the natural forces involved keep the racket off the Wise or did you have to do something special to keep the frame off of it? Have you done a "head side loop" racket yet?
     
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  17. Gaines Hillix

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    w_w, don't mean to hijack your post, but on my Apex/Wise setup this is not a problem. The string gripper does touch the racquet handle when tensioning the center mains that come out through the throat, but the gripper just slips right by the handle. I don't have to pull the handle aside and set the brake or anything. :eek:
     
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  18. bigbanger

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    What Gaines said :) Hasn't been a problem for me either.
     
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  19. wonder_wall

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    Isn't the racket pushing up against the Wise (gripper) with some fairly significant force in that situation? That seems OK? Or is it maybe not that much force since the handle can get close to the middle. One other question, how far away from center do you have to be in order for this not to be a problem. E.g. where does it cease to be a problem: 2T, 3T, 4T, 5T, 6T?
     
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  20. Gaines Hillix

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    There is very little force. There is a very small angle between the handle and the gripper, only a few degrees, so the gripper just slips right along side the handle until it passes the end of it. Never thought about counting how many strings it does that on, but as I recall it's the center 4 mains.
     
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  21. wonder_wall

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    You're saying that in fact the Wise does *not* rest against the handle of the racket then because the gripper moves beyond the handle. So the gripper kind of "brushes" alongside the handle but then gets past it. Is this always true? I suppose if you set up the Wise closer this might not be true? In the video it doesn't seem clear this would always be true. BB, are you also saying the racket does *not* come to rest against the Wise at all?
     
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  22. bigbanger

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    In my setup, the racquet does not come to rest against the Wise. I just strung a Flexpoint Radical today whose mains start at the head and had no issues with the racquet handle hitting the gripper when tensioning the first few mains. As Gaines said, the gripper just glides past the racquet handle and does not get in the way at all.
     
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  23. Gaines Hillix

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    w_w, you described it perfectly and it never comes to rest against the handle. The gripper is always past the end of the handle when the pull is finished. I have the unit close to the turntable on mine(1/2"). This minimizes the length of string needed to reach from the frame to the gripper.
     
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