First generation Tom's Reach Machine?

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  1. dt101

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    Does anyone here have a picture of what the first generation Kneissl's Tom's Machine looks like? I have the white Tom's Reach Machine, which I believe is the second generation. The third generation Tom's Machine is the current lime green monster right that is selling for $199 at Tennis Warehouse right? Correct me if I am wrong.
     
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  3. PROTENNIS63

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    They should make the first gen on sale as it looks really nice.
     
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  4. Pro_Tour_630

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    Thanks ericsson, the model you have shown is not the "reach" model it is the standard 27in frame model.

    The first generation Toms Machine were 27 inch gray/black and 28 inch white/black

    Notice the 21 cross pattern, and notice the vibration control at the throat, both of these features make these frames unique that matches if not supersedes my beloved PT630 in terms of how they perform for me. No caps on these babid but they are very solid/plush and the handle are one piece construction (there are no foam on handle only graphite). The Graphite/layup are made from the highest quality graphite I have seen similar to the St. Vincents PROSTAFF and Puma supers

    The head shape are designed similar to when John Cauthen molded the head shape one of my PT630 to be more oval ala Volkl where the bridge is lower by manipulating tension.


    There were aslo second generation toms machine (called "top" machine for reach that were 28 inches as well) where they dropped the vibration control at the throat and went to 20 crosses instead of 21. Maybe that is the one you have dt101? it is also mainly white. Can you take a photo of what you have? did it come with original leather? It it did then that is a special limited edition second generation Toms Machine that is very rare. IF not then you have a first generation.

    Then came the third generation that were lime green.
     
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  5. ericsson

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    Michael, if i'm correct Muster switched in 1996 to Kneissl so this should be the first generation, this pic is from 1996:

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    Yes, this is the one I want to buy. Does anyone have it for sale? It looks really nice. It would be a great addition to my collection.
     
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    Currently I have two of the white Tom's Reach Machine. It is mostly white and is 27.5". Mine has the vibration control.
     
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    You guys know what, this racquet looks like a Head Pro Tour Midplus painted to look like a Kneissl racquet. Correct me if I am wrong.
     
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    You are correct. Pro tour stringers (Tom Martinez-where are you Tom!!??) have said Muster never used the standard black/gray/gold Tom's Machine, only a paint job of his Pro Tour 630. He did use the Tom's Reach Machine.

    By the way Michael, you forgot the second generation "Top" Machine. After the white Top, there was a charcoal gray/lime green model, which I believe was the last Kneissl model TW carried before they went kaput in the US, around 2000-2001.
     
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    Kevin you might have missed this in my first post

    the closest thing to a PT630 is the 27in black/gray/gold kneissl, the extended is very hard to maneuver especially for OHBH, great on thumping first serves though.



     
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  12. sargeinaz

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    Wow Kneissl made some very good looking sticks. I wish they would make some standard length sticks though. Michael have you hit with any of the new Kneissl's? If so how do you like them and do they compare to the old ones? Thanks.
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    I just demo the lime green monster (Tom's Machine) from Tennis-Warehouse and it is pretty good. You should try their demo program...they charge $11 and you get to demo any 4 racquets of your choice and that includes free return shipping. The one bad thing about the lime green Tom's Machine is that it is really and I mean really ugly looking. I mean that thing is so outrageous, over the top, and ridiculous looking that words cannot even describe how ugly it is. On the website the lime green color on the Tom's Machine doesn't look too bad, and to be honest with you it actually looks really cool, but when you finally get it and see it in person it is a completely different story. Basically it is so ugly you wanna shoot yourself in the head....

    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCKNEISSL-TOM07.html

    ...it gives really good spin and it is a lot more stiff then the previous generation Tom's Machine. Another bad thing about the current generation Tom's Machine racquet is that it is made in China. The previous generation Tom's Machine racquets were all made in Austria I believe. I was told the white Tom's Reach Machine is the closest thing to a HEAD Pro Tour 630 "Made In Austria." The older ones are more flexible and the paint job on them are a lot more nice and easy on the eyes than the current Tom's Machine.
     
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    ^^^ Thanks for that. I actually was planning on demoing it. Is the extra length a hindrance? That is what worries me about the stick. Also, you say it is more stiff than before. Is it still comfortable? Thanks.
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    Ah my friend - when you knowingly use something that is hideously ugly - or should I say "fugly" - BECAUSE it's ugly - then you're actually pretty cool. It's only when you think what you have looks cool, when it's truly fugly, that you look like an idiot!
     
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    Yes, it is pretty comfortable. And no the extra length isn't too bad. It's only 1/2 inch longer. I think the stiffness rating is 66. The one great thing about it is that it's very aerodynamic and it swings pretty fast. Honestly I think the Tom's Reach Machine feels so much better than the green monster. Hope that helps.
     
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    I hope you know I was just being blunt. Was that suppose to be a brief philosophy lecture? Thanks Confucius.
     
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    Has anyone played with this racquet? Can I get a review on it?
     
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  19. Pro_Tour_630

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    the above photo is my frame, ^ I Doubt anyone but me and maybe few others have played this, Kevin T played it a long time ago maybe he will chime in

    basically it is probably the only frame I would consider in playing with in a tight match other than my PT630. It is a very solid frame and very plush, the graphite material is even better than the PT IMO.

    basically just cut your toms reach to 27 weight the cut piece and add that amount to the butcap and you will know :)
     
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    Are you are willing to sell that black first generation Tom's Machine? I've asked this question already but you don't seem to answer it so I am guessing the answer is no? I got one HEAD Pro Tour 280 "Made in Austria" in a 4 1/2 grip size which I might consider trading with you. Let me know.
     
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    that green frame plays like crap
     
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    Funny post, i think he has more Pro Tour's then anyone on the board here, then why would he wanne trade with a very rare racket...:)
     
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    I didn't know that. I don't time to read every post here. It was worth a shot.
     
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    I have black/white/gold TM standard length. Just want to agree with other posters that the quality is really amazing. My main racquet is PT630, but I have about 10 other austrian Head classics, and about 10 more (the best classics from other brands...). So, know what I talk about. Feel, precision, reliability, everything is in Toms machine. It plays much like PT630, probably even better...
     
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    Anybody has a clue which generation these Kneissl Tom's Reach Machine?

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    and length - 27.5 or 28 ?

    thanks
     
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    i´d like to know the answer myself, since i have the chance to buy one of those machines. also, does anyone know whether they are made in austria?
     
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    still hoping, some knowledgeable poster will know the answers to our questions:)
     
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  28. I Heart Thomas Muster

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    Those were the second Toms Machine model to come out after the original black/gold standard length model. They were 28 inches, one piece molded and weighed about 11.2 oz strung. I ordered three of them when they came out and they were made in China. 28 inches was too long for me and I was never really able to get these to work despite all my tinkering. In desperation I cut them to 27 inches but by then I was over them. I would love to get four of the the original though. That was a great stick.
     
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    thanks for answering:) based on what you say, i´ll probably pass on the chance of buying one.
     
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