First Hand Experience With Americans vs Foreigners in College Recruiting

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  1. 10s_plyr

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    My daughter is a rising junior in high school. She is currently a 3 star recruit on tennisrecruiting.net and has held a consistent top 20 state ranking and top 75 southern ranking throughout her junior career. She plays 3 hours a day, 5 days a week and spends 2 to 3 weekends a month playing tournaments. Most of her hitting partners outside of academy are current or former collegiate players and she is very competitive (if not dominant at times). College tennis has been her dream since she was 11 years old and she has worked hard to achieve this goal. Her GPA is currently 4.11 and she has already determined that med-school is in her future. She is beginning to narrow her choices of potential schools down to those that offer a good pre-med program and a competitive tennis team where she feels she can go in and play (not just make the roster). Thus, she has started sending introductory letters, with a tennis resume and letters of recommendation to 25 or 30 colleges or universities that fit the profile in order to let the coach(es) know of her interest and to gauge their interest in her.

    To make a long story short.... She submitted an e-mail this morning at 10:35 a.m. to a coach at a D1 / Big South Conference school (that shall remain nameless). She received a response at 11:04 a.m. stating, "Thanks for the message. I not have any scholarships available to offer you. Good luck!" She found this a bit discouraging. I can understand why. The response itself is somewhat cold (not to mention grammatically incorrect), but that's OK. It's the fact that in 29 minutes, a coach evaluated her entire body of work as an athlete and scholar and shot her down. OR perhaps there was no evaluation at all. You see, the current roster at this school (that shall remain nameless) is made up of 100% foreign players. She had no chance!!!

    I have done my research and have read many threads posted on these message boards related to this issue and I have mixed feelings about it. I know that 29 of the top 30 (tennisrecruiting.net) kids graduating this year from this state have received offers and are going on to play college tennis. So my confidence level is high that my daughter will earn a scholarship at a good school, will play tennis and have the time of her life there. It's the fact that she never had a shot at playing at this particular school. And I DO NOT believe that it's because she is not ranked high enough. This is not an ACC, SEC, PAC-12 tennis powerhouse.

    There are those people on these message boards that are very "pro foreign players in college tennis" and will defend the system as it stands. I would tend to doubt that any of them have kids that are competing for these scholarships. I have no problem with foreign kids getting an education in the states or even playing tennis on a scholarship...but there should be a limit to this. My daughter has done all the right things....she deserves a shot. By the way, she was actually born in Central America. So technically, she is a foreigner too.
     
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    Maybe the coach doesn't have any scholarships to offer that year because he graduates no one who was on a scholarship.
     
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    maybe the coach has seen your daughter play before? Many coaches will go out the Bullfrogs and Southern Closed Tournaments to scout future players.
    3* recruit will get offers from many schools if ones eyes are open enough and the player shows they are willing to put in the work. The local Southland Conference D1 university has a 3* Freshman who just finished year at #1 Doubles and #2 Singles.

    If she intends on Med School, I would assume she would be looking at Private Schools more than likely, but don't get discouraged and have her keep on contacting coaches, I believe though a coach can not contact a player until July 1 after their Junior Year.

    Going out on limb and assume you are either talking about Gardner-Webb or Winthrop
     
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  5. 10s_plyr

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    Thanks for the comment, but I really don't think that is the case. There are at least a few listed on the roster that would be graduating in 2013 and 2014.
     
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    I wouldn't get too worked up over one response. Since this team has only foreigners on their roster, the coach may have someone screen his or her emails, and they may tell the screener to blow off anyone with less than a 4 star rating. Who knows?

    If your daughter is qualified, I'm sure there will be many matches for her. She has plenty of time, and it's great that she is starting early. Since tennis is important for her, try to visit many schools. Contact the coaches, and I'd recommend attending a practice. The coaches and team members will have more time to spend with you, and your daughter can get a better feel for the different aspects of the staff and team that may be important to her.

    As for the foreigners vs americans issue, that's a long discussed subject. I don't foresee limitations being placed on schools in the near future - certainly not at the D1 level, which it seems your daughter is targeting. The bottom line is many coaches view recruiting foreign players as their best chance at being competitive. Others prefer to recruit Americans. Others don't care one way or the other. Still plenty of opportunities for American girls.
     
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    I don't have any answers but the right school won't show up immediately. Have patience, forget about the ones who don't bother to give your daughter a chance, and keep at it until you find a school that would welcome your daughter.
    By the way, I have a daughter too and if she has the credentials like you daughter has when she reaches high school, I would be bursting with pride. Stay positive for your daughter and keep at it until you find the place place for her. Good luck.
     
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  8. floridatennisdude

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    If it's the school I am thinking, he doesn't want any 3-star players. Look to a lower level program and you'll find more success.

    Also, don't be discouraged by being told a scholarship is not available. That is probably a fact. Many programs have commitments 2-3 years out. Your kid is a little late to the game by about 6-12 months.
     
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  9. 10s_plyr

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    Thank you for the comment.

    With regard to having her sights set too high, I don't think so. Again, we have done the research and feel certain that we understand where she will fit in. She is a 3 star now, but still has another full year to improve upon that, which I believe she will.

    Regarding the workload, you have provided food for thought. She is a persistent, dedicated, intelligent girl. She will go after her dream. Maybe she will change her major along the way, but she is not easily swayed.
     
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    Thanks for your comment. Perhaps he has seen her play, but I doubt it. If this coach was scouting american talent, then there would be at least ONE on the roster. You are right about the Bullfrogs and Southern Closed tournaments....we have seen them there.

    She is definitely willing to put in the work. She has been doing so for years and is not one to give up. She continues to develop and improve. She will definitely keep contacting coaches as well and you are right about the recruiting timeline. They cannot contact her until July 1 after her Junior year.
     
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    Great advice. Thank you!!
     
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    Thank you!
     
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    Good luck to her and maybe she will look a little further west in MS, LA, TX, AR area, would almost guarantee she gets a scholarship especially if she shows to be a hardworker and a good listener, saw many players come into school as a 2 or 3* and leave as a 4* player.
     
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    She is a rising Junior. She is 2 years out. And it is against NCAA regulations for coaches to recruit a player until after completion of their Junior year, so how do they have commitments 2-3 years out. I'm sure there is some shadiness out there, but I disagree that this would be common practice.

    With regard to "he does not want any 3-star players", I say, there are only so many blue-chip, 5 star and 4 star players available. So good luck with that philosophy. I hope that school has A LOT to offer in order to bring in those And by the time my daughter finishes her Junior year, she should realistically be a 4 star player. But I doubt we are talking about the same school anyway....because you wouldn't know how the players on this team were ranked as they are all foreign.

    Additionally,
     
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    Do you live in georgia or north carolina?
     
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  16. floridatennisdude

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    Kids can contact the coach when they are infants, there is no rule against the kid contacting the coach. Many instances occur where kids verbal to schools while as young as 7th graders...USC football is famous for that.

    Not knocking your kid. Just saying that Many others have been targeting schools from an earlier age. Foreigners too.

    And most foreigners are ranked by ITF standards. I would suggest getting into that pipeline and establishing an international rank if you would want the level comparison. There are big south players that achieved itf rankings in the top 1000 and have WTA ranking points. It goes a lot further to say "I am top 1000 in the world" than to say "I am top 20 in my state". Frankly, even in Florida that might not be strong enough to play at a top mid major school.

    Good luck! I'd stay off the message boards voicing concerns about coaches and programs though. Not too hard to figure posts out and who they are directed at. Would be another strike against the player to be known as the one with the parent on TT.
     
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    The womens tennis coach at Indiana is the winningest coach in womens Div 1 tennis history and has recruited foreign students heavily. However, in this years freshman class all 5 matrics were American. Look around, you will find lots of opportunities.
     
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    One of my better friends in high school was a high three star player who went to a (very good) D3 school. He was probably ranked higher than your daughter, but he was hopelessly overmatched. I can't imagine that a typical three star player could be competitive. I hate to be overly harsh, but it is probably just the case that your daughter isn't good enough.

    PS: I seem to gather that it is a hot topic on the board, but I fail to understand the distinction between "foreigners" and "Americans." Outside of state schools giving preference to their residents, I don't see any real distinction between the students. Both are interested in going to the same school in the United States and neither came from families who were forced to fund the school.
     
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    It is quite possible that the school gets foreign recruits who are the equivalent of a four-star domestic recruit. There are only 125 four-star recruits each year in the USA, but there are another few hundred at that level overseas. The coach might have determined from experience that domestic four-star recruits do not choose his school. So, he develops contacts overseas who can reliably point him to four-star equivalents in a few countries.

    If you really wanted to put in a lot of time on the subject, you could research how this coach's players perform when they play three-star and four-star recruits who went to opposing schools. Then you would know what the level truly is at that school. Given that your daughter is not going there, I am not sure you really want to invest that time.
     
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    Having gone through the process in the last couple years, and 4-star daughter going to play D1 on scholly next year at the school of her choice, I can offer a little perspective.

    Some coaches are terrible communicators. Some did not reply at all to emails, others did so only erratically or ineptly. But then, this information was instructive: who wants to play for a coach who can't communicate well, who can't be bothered to interact?

    Some coaches did not seem "ready" to consider recruits more than 12 months out (in contrast to what TRN says). Maybe they were lazy, maybe their grand plan was already in action.

    Some coaches do NOT make any effort at all to recruit, or even consider, American-born kids. Others do their American recruiting "first," and fill in with international recruits second. Others start, and stay, strictly American.

    This year, it looks to me like most 3-star girls got offers, but maybe not at their first choices, and some schools look suspect academically. I would suggest looking seriously at D3. An academic all-star and excellent tennis player might be more at home as a prize prospect at Johns Hopkins than as a benchwarming walk-on at Vanderbilt (or even Little Rock). I agree with the poster above who suggests that pre-med and D1 varsity athletics won't mix easily. D3 might ease the athletic time commitment and provide as good, or better, academics.
     
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    Further to Gully's post, from personal family experience.......

    A coach who says "adios" up front is a blessing in disguise. Actually, by saying there are no scholys available, he/she maybe was being...or was at least attempting to be...diplomatic. Kudos for that anyway.

    We didn't get any "no scholarships available" responses, but we did get a "if you are not in the top 50 on TRN we will not recruit you."

    Better than the response that "we want to continue to monitor your progress" from coaches who really have no serious interest. And if this is from a coach at a school that the recruit is really interested in, it can hold up the kid's commitment to a decent school that is second or third on the list that would be a really fine choice!

    Recruiting is tough business, on both ends. Maybe it's one of the first tests to see if the player.........and, ahem, the player's family.......are up to the pressures and rigors of D1 competition.
     
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    Your daughter sounds like an incredibly hard worker and a great tennis player.
    Even so, there are only so many hours in a day at college and it might be a lot to bite off to play D1 and be premed...
     
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    I followed recommendations of ClarkC and did a very quick unscientific research. It seems there are 2 teams in this conference that recruited American 3&4 stars. These 2 teams consistently lost to all other teams with non-competitive scores and played very close against each other. So I would say that average level of foreigners in this conference is 4-5 stars. Now if there was a quota on foreign players in this conference (say 3-4 players/per team) each team would probably include equal number of foreigners, each team would actively recruit US 4&3 star players and more of them would actually consider these schools. The total number of US players in the conference would increase, teams makeup would become more balanced and the college tennis experience for all players would improve while the overall level of tennis in the conference would drop. But who cares - nobody probably goes pro from this conference. And there would be even a chance that some teams would have to settle for 1-2-stars with potential and even (OMG!) develop them into 3-4-stars. I can even envision a foreign 5-star helping US 2-star teammate improve her tennis skills. This could make the presence of foreign players in US college tennis quite worthwhile.
     
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    Good post Klu.
     
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    So, why even keep the conference at the D1 level? In your system, they are going to have a significant talent drop off from the major programs that kids actually want to go to. What is the point of advancing a team to the NCAAs if they have 2 star talent competing against 5 star and blue chip?

    Frankly, I don't disagree with the benefits you outline. It sounds great. But, the playing field significantly shifts with these types of restrictions on recruit able athletes.
     
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    Actually, there are kids, lots and lots and lots of them, who do want to go to these schools. When you say "major programs that kids actually want to go to" what kids are you referring to ? Academy kids ? Or just the first three pages of TRN(the only ones that matter). I'm sorry, but your world view of tennis players who should be eligible for college scholarships seems artificially constricted to the the first 3 pages of TRN. Screw 3 stars, 2 stars.

    Remember, whether these schools are D1 or D2 has nothing to do with the tennis program. The tennis programs irrelevant, it has to do with the football and basketball program(CAVEAT : I HAVE NOW LOST ALL CREDIBILITY BECAUSE I USED THE WORD FOOTBALL). If you go div II, you lose 2 scholarships. What are you going to do, start a beach volleyball team ? BTW, DIV II has their own NCAA's.

    These are women's scholarships, created by Title IX, (whether you despise this LAW or not, its the law of the land) to compensate women for the educational opportunities denied to them relative to their male(football and basketball) counterparts. Schools current policies of awarding more than 50% of these women scholarships to internationals has Patsy Mink rolling in her grave. It's a disgrace.
     
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    I started to do a point by point reply to you, Aloha. It's just not worth the argument. You are on one side, I'm on the other. Best wishes.
     
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    Under your proposal to ban or limit superior tennis players with non-American passports, some parent or sympathizer of a 2-star or 1-star could reasonably say,

    I'm sorry, but your world view of tennis players who should be eligible for college scholarships seems artificially constricted to the the first [3] 5 pages of TRN. Screw [3] 2 stars, [2] 1 stars.

    Your proposal doesn't solve any problems. It just shifts the universe of players on the cusp in women's collegiate tennis from 3-stars to 2-stars. There always has to be a line and it has to be drawn somewhere. Someone will always be left out. Why not 10 scholys per team? Why not more D1 programs?

    You want the D1 tennis line to be drawn at the 2-star level, others on the board have no problem with the 3-star level. That seems to be the gist of it to me

    EDIT: By the way, there are, at any given time, about 400 3-stars or better in each graduating class. That's 4 pages on TRN. And there are a total of at least 600 2-stars or better. Six pages! (There are even some 2-stars on the 11th page of the 2013 girls....see TRN FAQ for explanation) Woo-hoo.
     
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    I know you are not at the recruiting process yet. But, don't get all caught up in the TRN star system, for the coaches it is just a small piece of their analytical process, they know some kids were held back a year, and their 4 star is really a 3 star, they might see your kid play and see potential and they will be speaking to coaches/sectional/tournament director to see what kind of kid your daughter is.....

    And yes, totally agree with you and Klu on the rest. One of the best state schools up North has an all foreign team. Never has one of those kids gone on to the pros.

    And I lost all respect for Title 9, when Cornell started having men on the women's fencing team as practice partners to satisfy the requirement.
    Note to tennis parents of girls - do fencing along with tennis!
     
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    And how do these "mid-tier" power houses loaded with 4-5 star foreigners do at NCAA now? They kill everyone in their conference and then lose 4-0 to top teams full of blue chips (domestic and international). 2-star or 4-star - the score will be 4:0 anyway.
     
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    So, the correct next step to do is to enact legislation where they will most likely be weaker? I just can't see that being an acceptable method.

    To take an example from this years women's tournament, here is how parity is going. Winthrop (Big South champ, 100% foreign) went to the NCAAs and played Duke, the overall 3 seed. They lost 4-0 because after 4 matches are decided, they stop play. Take a look at the box score from the matches halted in progress....
    http://winthropeagles.com/custompages/WTEN/Duke Box Score.pdf

    The #1 was on serve in the second set. And the #6 match was on serve after a 7-5 first set. The rest were pretty much routes. But, at this point Winthrop was able to field a team that pushed two of the stronger players at their position (in the country) on a team that very well could've won the whole thing.

    Look at the prep resumes of the Duke players at those positions. Goldfield and Mullholland. 2 and 3 star caliber players can't compete with them.

    And your recommendation is for a school like this to take lesser caliber Americans in place of the internationals that are having success?
     
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    See bolded responses above
     
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    Enact legislation not for the sole purpose of making them weaker but maybe to save US tennis. And for other reasons stated in my post above. You really need to look 10-15 years forward to see where all this is going. Unless you believe the QS will eventually solve all issues.
     
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    I don't think QS is the end all be all of helping American tennis. It's an effort, and I'm indifferent on the program as a whole. I guess what I would like to see is more efforts to improve the game without dragging the NCAA and its products into it. I'd like Americans to get better, rather than ask the NCAA to lessen its quality so that we as citizens can use it to our advantage. People get better by setting the bar high and reaching for the bar, not by lowering the bar so it is easily reachable.

    I think a lot of people are misguided to think that the NCAA is a government controlled organization. It is an independent enterprise that governs itself. The NCAA does not have obligations to US citizens, only to member institutions. That is why this issue bothers me so much. People want the NCAA to change for selfish reasons when the institutions have no incentive to change and support it.

    The NCAA is not in charge of "saving" US tennis. That mission is of the USTA and if they are not providing a better path for kids to obtain their goals, that would be an appropriate channel to demand change from. That is why they have national championships, sectional championships, and state & local championships benefitting their members. I would support any USTA rules that only US citizen can participate in USTA membership and it's benefits. That makes sense to me.

    Put it this way, if US tennis became so strong that there was a minimal difference between the quality of a 3-star and the quality of a blue chip...this would be a non issue. Coaches would gladly recruit these lower starred players, as theyndo in major sports where the US is the dominant recruiting pool. Unfortunately, there is a drastic difference and that difference gap gets filled by internationals who are able to play at a higher level.
     
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    Very informative and well said.

    I would like the USTA to exert pressure, lobby the NCAA for a two man/woman cap per team. But this is a pipe dream.
    They don't care and it doesn't serve their purpose.

    And the USTA they are cutting/chopping/eliminating tournaments like there is no tomorrow. I feel bad for the future tennis players in the next 5 years. The USTA is making it harder for Americans to raise their own bar by taking away the competition. 4 stars and some 5 stars will never leave their sectional in the coming years..... That is ok if you are in Florida or SoCal, but a death wish for the other sections.

    I guarantee if you went to Europe there is plenty of cross play.
    The new regulations coming up ( which have not been discussed in depth here) will be even limiting that...

    And the ITF's - why does such a big country such as the US have so few of them?
    So, how are Americans suppose to get better?
    USTA cuts our own tournaments here, and the ITFs seem to be over there.

    And QS, it is great to bring a whole bunch of kids ( many thousands) into the tennis system. Great because they will grow up and pay dues to the USTA too... But, playing on a little court till your ten (USTA rules!!!!) does not look promising for fielding the next bunch of bluechips. I guess we will see in ten years if we replace all the foreigners with our QS kids.... I am glad I don't have a kid in that experiment.
     
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    Thanks for the polite and courteous reply.

    I respect those views on the challenges of US juniors. I don't disagree that they exist. I just don't think it is the NCAAs job to limit opportunities to anyone, nor is it in their best interest. Their role is to provide to the member institutions. I don't hear any University presidents and ADs sounding off about this issue. Those are the folks that have the ability to evoke change. Folks would have to convince them that they have an issue that they don't think exists.
     
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    It's good to get advice from someone that has been there. Thanks for the insight.
     
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    More good advice. Thanks!
     
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    Coaches developing talent? This is a revolutionary idea, bordering genius.
     
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    Singles competition
    1. ALKEMA, Yasmine (WUW) def. OELKE, Paige (PCW) 6-2, 6-1
    2. GARCIA, Andressa (WUW) def. CARUSO, Cara (PCW) 6-0, 6-2
    3. HERRERA, Sandra (WUW) def. RANSOM, Greer (PCW) 6-1, 6-2
    4. PORTIOLI, Giovanna (WUW) def. ALVES, Patricia (PCW) 6-0, 6-0
    5. GUNAYSU, Ekin (WUW) def. deLOACH, Caroline (PCW) 6-0, 6-3
    6. AGUADO, Monica (WUW) def. KRAUSE, Lindsay (PCW) 6-0, 6-0

    Doubles competition
    1. ALKEMA, Yasmine/GARCIA, Andressa (WUW) def. OELKE, Paige/ALVES, Patricia (PCW) 8-1
    2. HERRERA, Sandra/PORTIOLI, Giovanna (WUW) def. deLOACH, Caroline/RANSOM, Greer (PCW) 8-0
    3. GUNAYSU, Ekin/AMRANI, Camille (WUW) def. KRAUSE, Lindsay/CARUSO, Cara (PCW) 8-4

    Big South Tennis...100% international vs. 83% American
     
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  41. 10s_plyr

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    In response to all three of your points above.

    1) I do respect that anyone can voice an opionion regardless of whether it is right or wrong.

    2) The intention behind my original "she deserves a shot" was pointed toward my opinion that she (and all others) deserve to have more than just an automatic "no" response. She was not asking for a scholarship, she was simply introducing herself and asking for some consideration. I completely understand that it's about tennis ability (plus academic ability, character, etc.). In my opinion, the ability she has warrants some consideration.

    3) No comment at this time.
     
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  42. floridatennisdude

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    I'd rather have a lot of talent and a little experience than a lot of experience and a little talent.

    -John Wooden
     
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    Actually, as it tends to be discussed in these threads, it is irrelevant. "Why not get a 3-star and coach them up?" Answer: Why not get the foreign equivalent of a 5-star, and coach them up? Unless you think that most foreign players have already tapped their potential, while for some reason there is lots of untapped potential in domestic players, this particular meme is bogus. Recruiting and development are two separate issues. Every college coach plans to (1) recruit the best talent they can which includes keeping an eye on untapped potential, and (2) developing that talent after it arrives on campus. You don't do one or the other, you do both.

    Why doesn't Peter Smith at USC just recruit 4-stars and coach them up? Because he knows that tennis does not work that way. A 4-star recruit does not necessarily have any more untapped potential than a blue chip recruit.
     
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  44. Misterbill

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    See bolded responses

    EDIT: This is from your original post, which erroneously led me to believe you were talking about scholarship spots:

     
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    If she wants to play in the Big South get in touch with Presbyterian College, I would think Coach Dunnagan would love to have her. She would be very welcomed and would be probably able to compete right away. Just a thought.
     
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  46. Soianka

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    You really might want to consider D-III schools for several reasons including your daughter will likely have more time for her studies. D-I schools treat the athletes as if they have a full-time job in addition to their full-time student status and that will be very hard for her to finish her premed science prereq's (especially once she gets to Orgo lab, which as I recall from my premed days was a 6-hour long lab).

    As far a D-I, I know University of CT is a great academic school and would take a 3-star player.

    As far as D-III, for the most competative tennis environment, I would recommend U Chicago, Amherst, Williams, or Emory. But there are many fabulous D-III schools.

    So don't overlook D-III.

    Also, with D-III she will have a good chance of making it to the NCAA team tournament and perhaps doing well in the singles division of the tournament as well; whereas in D-I, it will be very difficult for a typical 3 star player to ever get that chance.
     
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  47. Soianka

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    good point about title IX and the purpose of the scholarships in the first place
     
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  48. NLBwell

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    When I was at Rice University, there were a lot of athletes in all sports from football to tennis who quit the teams and their scholarships because they were serious about their studies. Giving the time to compete at the top level of D-I (Southwest Conference at the time) and being serious about your studies is very difficult - these guys could have gone to University of Texas or other schools if they weren't as academically motivated. Support your daughter if once in college, wherever she goes, she decides to quit tennis and focus on her studies.
     
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    This is an eye opening thread for a lot of tennis parents like myself. Here in California, with tuition going up every year, sports programs getting cut, I am would be willing to explore the Junior College route and/or club tennis....some of which is very competitive.
     
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    Ditto. I think that trend may prevail even among non student athletes as well. Without heavy family money or substantial financial aid (merit or need based) without going into medicine, law or high finance what's the return really worth paying $50k or so a year for college?
     
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