Fischer expert please point me out

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  1. yuth

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    Eventually I got this fischer racquet "fischer open pro midsize". It comes with violet paint job and looks really classic. Its head-shape looks like "fischer superform graphite"

    I try it for 3 hrs.............The first state is "Wonderful racquet". It feels really unique. :) I do love it. Hey fischer expert and anyone know about this racquet. Is it a pre-vacumm pro midsize? Please point me out.

    I haven't seen this racquet before..............Is it valuable in collection???

    Thanks,

    Yuth

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    Very interesting :)
     
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  4. yuth

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    Sure Bud, I did a huge search on the internet and found none................Just want to know that it's a pre-vacuum pro midsize version or not?

    In term of feeling and playability.............I love this stick.

    I plan to restring it soon.


    Thanks,

    Yuth
     
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  5. retrowagen

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    Yes, Yuth, it is. The graphics on that Fischer were current in 1987/1988. If I recall correctly, the "smoky" or marbled looking Vacuum Pro Mid came out in 1990 or 1991; the "fishnet" version later.
     
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  6. yuth

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    Thanks, Retrowagen

    I think it was developed after "superform generation" and I guess that "open" mean "open throat". In the other hand I confuse that why I can't find any information about it by searching on the internet?

    I want to know about its history, coz I wana keep it in my small museum.

    Anyway someone who had this stick and played with it please compare between "open pro" and "fischer vacuum pro midsize" interm of specification and feeling.

    Best regards,

    Yuth:)
     
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  7. Bud

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    So, the Fisher shown here contains 'vacuum' technology (assuming that the full cover that is shown goes with the racquet)?

    BTW... what exactly is vacuum technology (in reference to racquets not floor sweepers) :grin:
     
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  8. retrowagen

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    The name Open doesn't necessarily pertain to the throat design. There was also available, at the same time as this frame, a model of Superform with open throat called Superform Open Team Match. I had one of those and sold it to a TTW member a while ago. It featured identical striping as Yuth's Open shown above.

    Vacuum technic (technology) refers to a proprietary process developed by Fischer (who make most of their money in the world of aerospace composites, not just skis and tennis gear) which uses a partial vacuum applied to the frame during the bonding process whereby voids and irregularities in the layup and epoxy matrix are avoided, or at least mostly eliminated. This is one of the main reasons why Fischer weights are so consistent from frame to frame, and overall QC is so high.
     
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  9. yuth

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    Woooow..great information..thx a lot.
     
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  10. Bud

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    Excellent... as usual. I always wondered what was up with vacuum technology.
     
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    Hey retro, did you get my email about the new elliptic pro for sale on fleabay?
     
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  12. retrowagen

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    Yeah, yes I did; thanks for giving me a heads-up on that!

    Long story though: Fischer is notorious for recycling model names and moulds. The particular model you pointed out (actually an Elliptic Kevlar, not a Vacuum Elliptic Pro as the seller suggests in the auction title) is one that Fischer resurrected during the late 90's, using the VT98 Pro/Pro #1 mould and not the tapered beam earlier Elliptic 98 sq-in mould (which is the one I really like). The obvious way to tell them apart is that the tapered beam mould has six mains go through the bridge (three pairs) whereas the other one has eight mains going through the bridge (four pairs).

    Esoteric, I know. But they play a bit differently and I find with the thicker tipped VT98 Pro/Pro #1 mould frames I mishit heavy slice and whippy topspin due to the extra girth of the frame at the top. Nothing worse than setting up for a running wide buggywhip topspin forehand, which one can usually zing sharply crosscourt, and instead, clubbing it like an innocent little seal off that thick frame, two courts over... :neutral:
     
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    Nice visual! :grin:
     
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  14. retrowagen

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    :)
    Yeah, if you cut your teeth on the more svelte-beamed frames of the 1980's, the wider "bodies" of the 90's can tend to work against one's playing style. I found the Prince CTS-series almost unplayable.
     
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  15. goldenyama

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    Ah I see - I didn''t realise they made any Elliptic series frames so recently.
     
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    I traded away my fischer vaccum pros. tomorrow, I teach a total beginner tomorrow and wish I had one...argh. It's Jenns 4th lesson, and she is a dream, asking for as much technical advice as I can give.
    The Australian method I was taught involves intensive feeding but I find that teaching beginners how to hit and rally is more important.
    Can these eliptics you speak of compare to the vac pro?
     
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  17. retrowagen

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    No; different beast entirely.

    Whereas the Vacuum Pro 90 plays (IMHO) rather like a slightly larger Graphite Edge (what I would call a Zen frame: gives no more than it takes; transmits to the ball what you transmit to the frame; sends no harm to you in the transaction), the Elliptic plays most closely (in my opinion) like a Yamaha Secret 04 with the crisp but elastic feel of a Fischer engineered in... Kinda powerful, but "dead" and precise and versatile all at the same time. The string bed is also comprised of equal-sized grids of decent size, so the response is more or less uniform over the entire string bed, with no real hot spot. As a guy who never really adjusted his point of contact south from the old Kneissl White Star Pro Masters 72 square inch days, and still hits mostly off the top half of the racket head, this equipment attribute is a plus.

    Now don't all of you nuts go out and buy them up... I still need a few more as I actually use these every week in real matches!

    Plasma: I respect the Aussie training method, and it does have its place, but I myself am a firm believer in watchful wall play. It's the speedbag analogue in the tennis world, eh?
     
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  18. yuth

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    Just up to date........Eventually I got a brandnew fischer vacuum pro ms.

    It's quite difference from open pro, anyway I love open pro than vacuum pro.

    Open pro is more stable, pop and can do a huge serve.

    I love both of them in term of paint job............look pretty good.

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  19. racquetfreak

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    great thread - very interesting. retrowagen, your depth of knowledge is awe-inspiring.
     
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  20. gpt

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    Thank you for sharing such detailed info retro. Excellent!

    Oh and beautiful racquets you have there yuth.
     
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  21. SpaceCadet

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    Superform XL difference

    Greetings Fischer Fanatics!

    I currently use the Superform XL as my main stick. I just love the way they hit! It's also nice to beat up on players with a racquet older than them! :)

    I have a Stan Smith Superform XL:
    http://www.80s-tennis.com/pages/fischer_stan_smith_superform.html

    And a Blue Superform XL (my old one was a Jo Durie autograph)
    http://www.80s-tennis.com/pages/fischer-superform-xl.html

    Anyways, I always thought that these 2 models differed only in paint job, but not so. There is a slight difference in head size/shape, and a significant difference in weight!

    The Silver Superform (Smith) weighs in at 12.5 oz, and the Blue Superform at 13 oz. I use the blue as my Singles stick and the Silver for doubles.

    Great sticks! When they break...I may have to give up the game.:(

    Unless another great monoshaft racquet shows up!:-?
     
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  23. golden.ace

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    Fischer - most beautiful racquets of all ?

    Hi all,

    I only have two so far (a Superform and a Powerglass) but I am hooked on the visuals. Absolutely stunning
    Can anyone provide any info on the Superspot and where it rates among its stablemates ?
     
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    Made me cry.

    I laughed so hard.
     
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  25. retrowagen

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    Wah thank yeew, thankyewverymuch. I'll be here all week. :lol:
     
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    gates with thanksgiving and courts with praise
     
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    ding-ding-ding.

    You're the first in months of me flying that sig line to make the connection. I'm convinced God is a tennis enthusiast; there's the Biblical proof! :)
     
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  28. Elwood

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    That's why you look to the sky and pray as your about to hit your serve.
     
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  29. coachrick

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    I'm not familiar with the Superspot; but I just scored a Senator(wood), Powerwood, KingSize Compound(wood/graphite) and two Stan Smith Superform mids. The Senator and Powerwood have never been strung.

    I also have an unstrung PowerGlass and three MatchMaker aluminum models.

    I hit with a number of these models back in the '70s and actually tied for first place in a fast-serve contest using the original SuperForm.

    Even though it's over 100F degrees each day, this haul is enough to get my creaky knees out on the court SOON! (Perhaps Thursday as a birthday celebration ;) ) .

    I might even string or restring one or two tonight. These REALLY bring back some memories!
     
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  30. retrowagen

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    IIRC, the Superspot (and the Powerspot and Powerspot Carbonic) were from a monoshaft mold similar to the Superform Mid's, but had rounded hoops, not squared-off hoops. They were downmarket compared to the Superform, with more flexible layups and less stellar performance.
     
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    OK thanks for information. Is in the mail so I will report back after I have had a hit next week
     
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  32. coachrick

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    The Powerwood and Senator both have the rounded top and get pretty small as they taper toward the Fischer V-shaped throat. I'd love to celebrate my birthday today with an afternoon hit; but it will be well over 100 degrees :( . Don't know how long I want to stay on the court now that I'm a year older! ;)
     
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  33. retrowagen

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    Happy Birthday, Coach! :)
     
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