Fitness Regiment of Pro Players

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  1. JPW

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    I love tennis, but I'm only a recreational player. I watch quite a bit of Tennis Channel and can't help but notice the incredible fitness of these pro players. These guys are ripped.

    So is it the fact that they play so much tennis that is allowing them to reach this level of fitness or is it the fitness regiment and diet they have outside of playing tennis that is allowing them to reach this level of fitness? I'm curious to hear if others might know something first-hand from pro players.
     
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  2. LeeD

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    A top level pro in ANY real sport needs both tons of time doing what they do, and also time working out to get in the best of shape.
    Your body can only handle so much, so recovery time, aka PED's, might also become part of your routine....or not.
    Don't you know any high school athletes? College? Well, the pros work out more.
     
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  3. Funbun

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    Heck no, playing tennis straight up is not so much exercise. Pros train to play tennis athletically, not the other way around. The game is very technical. However, playing it is a different story at the higher level, where usually your level of fitness can determine the outcome of some points, and your longevity into the match.

    Remember that points are typically short, and there is quite some time to rest in between points.
     
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    I saw Troicki and Djoker practicing. Nole was insanely ripped, Victor was packing a paunch. Fitness levels differ.
     
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  5. kimbahpnam

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    since when did recovery time and PEDs become the same thing?
     
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    Many of PEDs going around involve improving recovery time from fatigue or injury.
     
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  7. michael valek

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    can you imagine or have you tried playing a 3 or 5 set match on clay? .fitness needs to be massive. hard courts, less so.
     
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    What level do you play? At the 4.5 level, singles tennis is a heck of a lot of exercise. In fact the year i came back to tennis after a decade off, i lost 15 pounds.
     
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    The higher the level of tennis, the more time is needed to dedicate not only to practice, but to fitness. Tennis fitness is highly sport specific. I had the privilege of playing in college and playing a few professional tournaments. The time put in, if done properly, is going to be at least 5-6 hrs a day, minimum I'd say. This includes practice and conditioning. Again,this is for PROPER training. Some guys do more, some do less, but this I would say is the average. Again, depending on what level you play at, the more time is required the higher you get. Remember at any level, hard work pays off!
     
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    It's everything. The amount of tennis, the off-court work, the diet, the recovery program e.t.c ..

    It's like this in any sport at any level. Whoever has the best regiment wins (if talent is reasonably equal).
     
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    You need only skill to beat someone 2 levels below you.
    You need some fitness to beat your peers.
    You need total fitness to lose decently to a superior player.
     
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    At pro tourneys I've worked at, I get tired WATCHING what these guys go through in just their prematch workouts. One finalist was working out (running, stretching) three hours prior to his match.
     
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    These guys are super fit. However, the average fitness level in our 'cultured' society is not that impressive at all. Imagine hunting and gathering time of the history. I'm sure every one of the viable men was in really good shape. Like animals in the wilds.

    It's not only how fit they 'appear'. If you work out like hell and produce similar muscle sizes and cardio level, you'd still not be playing any tennis that's even close to their level. Coordination, balance, agility, etc usually are not from simply working out. The incredible drive to focus so much physical force into hitting each shot while they practice and play is the main driving force to develop the kind of body they have.

    You have to work on refining the technique based on biomechanics which allows you to focus large force in a coordinated manner. And strong drive to do it better and better whatever it takes until you are happy with the level. Their fitness regimen is more like a support system or maintenance plan then driving force.
     
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    I play first singles tennis in high school. Now that I read back, my statement was too subjective. My apologies.

    What I meant was that tennis features brief periods of high intensity, and comparatively, there are certainly many other sports that require a much greater deal of endurance, strength, and stamina.

    Certainly, you can get quite fit from tennis, but to transcend your body's conditioning beyond hopping around, hitting strokes, running a bit, you're likely going to need to train yourself to specifically increase your endurance and stamina.

    I just don't think playing merely matches and tennis drills will get you necessarily fitter.

    In relativity, I'd say that tennis alone will not do much to get you faster, have a better lung capacity, etc. You'll likely need to mix in some cardio, interval training...
     
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  16. JPW

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    Great responses, but I should have probably worded this differently. I guess I was more curious around what people thought was the greatest contributing factor to these guys looking like they do. Does it primarily have to do with playing tennis or something else? From the responses so far it sounds like tennis actually has very little to do with it and more to do with what they are doing off the court. I also can't help but wonder what these guys diets are. Do they eat whatever they want or are they practicing good diet behavior?
     
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  17. decades

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    guess you missed the 2012 au open. might want to check the semis and final out.
     
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  18. decades

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    as you can guess from results, it varies. there are some that are extremely disciplined with diet and exercise. others may spend the night before a big match at a nightclub drinking vodka and soda. it varies.
     
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    This is the big time massive $Bling.
    Google the best and innovative and get an idea.
    They got the best of everything and discipline.
    Physio-Training, diet, science, sleep, sex.
    Physio training is not weight training it could include it or not.
    As and example Nadal does not lift weights and dislikes it.
     
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    that was my point. imagine going 5 sets with nadal, or borg. of course for djoko and nadal its a whole different level
     
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    Tough to say. It has been argued that today's players aren't as fit as players of the past because they have such a heavy playing schedule, they don't have time to train as sufficiently as they should. On the other hand, it could be argued that match play is the best fitness training for a tennis player. For example, it was often said of McEnroe (notorious for hating to train), that he played doubles and singles in order to "play himself into shape" for the finals. Then again, Jim Courier was notorious for overtraining and look what happened to him.
     
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    This is very helpful, thank you. You should really write a book
     
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    I think a player in any elite sport needs to be match fit.

    It's probably more important than being physically fit. its very hard to duplicate a tough 5 set match in training.

    you can tell a players fitness increases as a tournament goes on.
     
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    BS. The fact, that he/his camp says so, doesn't mean, that they are telling the truth. They are creating an aura, but that has nothing to do with reality.

    I do not know a single person, who has the bodytype, that Nadal has, who was able to develop the articulation and volume of the muscles Nadal has (and Nadal is very articulated, albeit not overly muscular), without working with weights. Look at his legs. You are delusional, if you think, that such strong legs (and butt) can be made by doing running, cycling or whatever sport you can think of, without lifting some serious weights.

    I can go on with the relation between weightlifting and his tendinosis, but I think that you get my point. Nadal lifts some serious weights.
     
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    Is there anything, that indicates that?
     
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  26. vernonbc

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    Wrong. Nadal does not lift weights nor does he run except in very short bursts. He has a trainer in Mallorca who has developed a regimen for him that uses particular machines and vibrating platforms and elastic cords to develop his muscular strength and Rafa works on them for hours on end with incredible intensity when he's at home and going through one of his training periods. There are videos out there of Rafa going through some of the routines and they're quite fascinating and you can see why Rafa's footwork and balance are so outstanding.

    What they work on most is synergy, the interconnection of his mind, his body and his emotions. His trainer is very forward thinking and the whole of keeping Rafa in shape physically, mentally and emotionally is a team effort. It's all quite complicated but is discussed at some length in Rafa's book and is far too long to be quoted in a post but needless to say, their philosophy is all quite interesting.

    Just as Djokovic has credited his change of attitude and mental belief and confidence for getting him to the top, Rafa and his team have used holistic concepts for years and their success is evidence that this approach works.
     
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    Oh, you Nadal fangirls never ceaze to amaze me.

    Yes, I have seen those videos. If you think, than any of those exercises will give Nadal the legs, that he has, you are seriously mistaken (not that I expect from any of you any rational thought). And I am embarassed, that a grown ups believe all the bs voodoo talk, that Nadal feeds you with.

    You better go out in the real world and TRY to do some of the things that you believe and see how it goes.

    I have done competitively triathlon and I am still doing on a regular basis tennis, table tennis, bouldering, climbing, skiing, cycling and yoga. I go to fitness once or twice a week. I have met tons of athletes on every level possible and spoken with many of them about different aspects of their sports (including fitness, nutrition and training) Do you really believe, that any of them has any results with a lousy recreational workout like the one Nadal claims to have. Let me tell you something, in the real world it doesn't work with magical spiritual connections between body and soul. At least it is not a substitute for serious physical training.

    Oh, and to address your emotional qualifications - "for hours on end" doesn't mean squat. Some of the most effective training sessions are fairly short. The ones that are long are predominantly endurance oriented. They do not build muscles like you think they do.

    In fact, do you even do ANY sports, apart from walking in the park?
     
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  28. vernonbc

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    Does it make you feel like a big man to be so rude and insulting? You'd be awfully embarrassed if you knew what women say in private about big talkers like you.

    You must be a big Rafa fan if you've seen the videos I was referring to as they're from a little known blog. Funny you're so negative about everything he does but you managed to find some obscure videos about Spanish tennis player training.

    And you're an admirer of Rafa's legs too. Hmm. Your fascination with Rafa is very interesting. Since you're such an aficionado of all things Rafa I assume you've seen videos of him as a very young teenager and that you noted that he always had big strong legs or are you saying that he was doing mega fitness work even back then?

    And he's never ever said that he just does a 'lousy recreational workout'. That's just a silly claim for you to make as he's always talked about how hard he works and the intensity that he applies to everything he does. But it makes no difference at all whether you think he and Djokovic and Murray and the other elite professional tennis players have specialized training programs that enhance their innate talent. Good luck with your amateur bouldering.
     
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    just think about it. why the shiat should nadal or whoever lie about weights lol every moron can do it. theres no cheating or big science behind it. for me it simply looks like you are using weights and now you are upset about pros not lifting weights awww.
     
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    Nothing personal, but this is simply wrong. No one develops the volume of muscle Nadal has without weight training, period.

    Now if you were to tell me Murray, Fed, or Djokovic don't lift, I'd believe it.
     
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    Is that one of the videos, you are referring to?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqXGVU5KoRQ&feature=related


    Really?:roll:

    I will go out on a limb here and say, that no woman in her right mind will say anything negative about a guy who works his butt off to be fit and look good, on top of his professional duties. On top of the fun he has with his activities, that is.

    Check out the video I posted and tell me, if that is one of the "obscure" videos. In reality Nadal is one of the top 2 in the past 7 years, so it is only natural, that I am interested in what he does. Especially tennis related.:roll: I am not negative about everything he does, but I doubt that you will understand what I am saying.

    I have seen videos of Nadal, when he was 15. That has absolutely nothing to do with the topic, we are discussing. I pointed at his legs, because they are most difficult to built without proper weight oriented workout.



    You do not follow the conversation. Noone said, that he doesn't do different training sessions/intensive training sessions. I said, that he does weight oriented workouts, which another poster and Nadal camp refuse to admit. I couldn't care less, if everybody here + Nadal say, that he doesn't work with weights (which is not even exactly what he said). I know from my own and other first hand experience, that that borders the impossible.

    Now, to address your overly emotional post and the "rudeness". If you say something, or defend someone, who said something, you'd better be prepared to give your opinion based on your own experience, that can be related to what the person in question said/claimed, hence, my question if you do any sports, apart from walking in the park. I am still interested in the answer, since you seem to have a very firm opinion, that what Nadal says, is true.
     
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    They all train with some serious weights.
     
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    So, according to you, you get the legs of roman centurion by playing tennis only?

    I am using weights as my preparation for both the ski season and the cycling season. I do not train with weight specifically for my tennis, but I benefit from those workouts, as I squat a lot while playing. Needless to mention the importance of the leg and core strength for tennis.

    You remind me of some of the people, that I started skiing with some ten years ago, who refused to accept the simple truth, that working with weights is beneficial to their overall stability, injury prevention and overall performance. They are all doing such workouts now and are avid proponents of the weight oriented workouts, when done with purpose, regimen and moderation.
     
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