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  1. Satsuma Florida

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    Diep and Newman win but van Overbeek and Carleton go down. Pepperdine leads 3-2.

    It's up to Slilam and Alford now.

    Slilam 6-3, 4-3 Hovhannisyan
    Alford 6-4, 4-5 Turner.

    Come on Gators!
     
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  2. Satsuma Florida

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    Slilam wins. Alford serving for the match at 6-5 in the second.
     
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    Florida wins 4-3! Alford takes the second set tiebreak to finish the win!

    Singles #1: van Overbeek(#40) 4-6, 2-6 Fanselow(#31)
    Singles #2: Carleton(#101) 0-6, 3-6 Tearney(#26)
    Singles #3: Slilam 6-13, 7-5 Hovhannisyan(#58 )
    Singles #4: Diep 6-4, 6-0 Llompart
    Singles #5: Newman(#53) 6-1, 6-4 Clarke
    Singles #6: Alford 6-4, 7-6 Turner

    Great job by the Gators! They used their deep lineup to the full to today and won despite losing the doubles. Great fight. Tomorrow; the Bulldogs!
     
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  4. Satsuma Florida

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    The Gators took the doubles point and made it interesting but Georgia's lineup was too deep. 4-2 loss and the consolation bracket tomorrow. Still, good game Gators! We'll get 'em in Gainesville!
     
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  5. floridatennisdude

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    WHy was van Overbeek out of the singles lineup?
     
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  6. Satsuma Florida

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    I read a tweet that he was injured or something. No details though.
     
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    hmmm, would have been interesting with him in. Other than #2, all these matches would have been more interesting (note: on no planet is Wil Spencer #2 for UGA).

    Going forward when Bob is in the lineup, I'd like to see Nas play 3 and Carleton at 2 this year. Carleton is streaky, but I think he can absorb power more consistantly than Nas's 1HBH. Nas should grind out matches at 3. I also hope Andy leaves Alford at 6 for a while and just has Federhoffer on stand by.
     
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    I would agree with that. Carleton is such a wildcard though. You never know which one is going to show up. He might have won his match today. But our strength is doubles and the bottom 3 lineup. Against the top teams, we have to take those to have a chance.
     
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    When van Overbeek sat out against Virginia, he had his right elbow on ice and indicated to me that it was the reason he was resting in singles that day. Might still be the same issue.
     
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  10. Satsuma Florida

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    Thanks for the info.
     
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    No need for much of an update today. The Gators dropped the doubles and didn't win a single set today in singles. Probably down after the loss yesterday but still...

    After this tournament I think we have a better understanding of where this team is. They have a good doubles team and a deep lineup, but against the top teams, that's not enough. There really is noone who is a solid No. 1 or 2. Slilam is not the guy, Carleton shows up some of the time, and van Overbeek is doing the best he can but is sometimes way in over his head. Not sure if this team is top 8. Probably No. 9 or 10 is accurate.

    Semifinal in the SEC championships, Sweet Sixteen in the NCAAs. Need to develop some strong singles players and then don't lose them to other schools or the dreams of a pro career.

    Go Gators.
     
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  12. Dawgie Dawg

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    can you answer this? Why do all of Florida players head for the hills after two seasons? Does Jackson run them off?
     
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    I love Gators, Sweeting is the best!!
     
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  14. Satsuma Florida

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    In the Feb 22 rankings, the Gators slip down to No. 7. Not sure if they are better than Kentucky, UCLA, or Stanford. Lots to prove and improve!

    February 22 Rankings
     
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    Because they recruit French pros who usually have a difficult time getting eligible because they are like 5 years older then our freshman, and for that they only get 2 years of playing eligebility.
    For example, that short French guy that u see walking around coaching is Stephane piro, born in 89. He is taking up a full ride while he sits on the bench to get eligible next year, and he only gets 2 years to play. After he made it to 900 ATP after playing 7 years on tour, he figured he would follow slalem over here and take a 3 year vacation! Lol
     
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    I am not sure the French recruit angle answers the question. Players using up their eligibility is not the problem. Florida has unusual attrition rates of American players who are in the top 6. Tyler Hochwalt, Jeff Dadamo, Johnny Hamui, Sekou Bangoura, Jr., Joey Burkhardt all turned pro early or transferred. Only Illinois is in the race for worst roster attrition over the last five years.
     
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  17. Floridatennis

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    Carlos Cuerto also transferred from UF. He had a great freshman year then got hurt and redshirted his 2nd year. He ended up going to Cal. Also, Piro was #4 ITF junior in world back in 2007. It will be interesting to see how he progresses. There have been alot of transfers.
     
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    Just imagine a team last year of Lacroix, Bangoura, Cueto, Dadamo, Burkhardt and maybe Van Overbeek at 6. Slilam maybe not even in the top 6.
     
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    Sweeting is awful for the sport.
     
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    I am sorry for your loss. Hope you feel better soon.
     
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  21. floridatennisdude

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    Gators beat Tennesee 4-3 without slilam in the singles lineup. No idea why he sat out, I got there late and didn't ask.

    Couple observations...

    Carleton was a beast in the first set at 2. I don't know if he missed 5 balls the whole set.

    Newman got really hot in the second. The match was lopsided and I was surprised it was only a 1 break first set.

    Michael Alford is probably as good of a 6 as anyone in the country. I don't know how Andy justifies playing him below Federhoffer. Really slick, flat backhand that opponents have a tough time reading.

    Bob just looked uncomfortable at 1. I hope he gets another shot against Tennessee in sec tourney. He wasn't ready for serve and volleys and his feet didn't look good. Kudos to tennessee 1 on his return game. Really neutralized Bob's service games.

    Diep looked bad at 3. I have liked this kid all year, but he was very erratic. Haven't seen that from him this year.

    I think the match would have been 6-1 or 5-2 with Slilam in the lineup, preferably at 3. I think Newman at 5 would have been a W. Not sure about the 4 match if Diep played how he did. Tonight, the doubles point was huge.
     
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  22. Satsuma Florida

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    They are definitely going to have to play better tomorrow against the Bulldogs.

    Never sure why Coach Jackson takes van Overbeek or Slilam out of the singles lineup. They play the doubles, get taken out of the singles lineup, but then they are back in the lineup the next dual match. They are definitely all we have in playing No. 1 or 2 so it's very hard to figure out. I'm sure there is, I hope there is a logical explanation but this is college tennis. Not many answers to the questions.
     
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    It does not take as much physical fitness to play doubles as it does to play singles. If someone is recovering from an injury and is not 100%, he might still play doubles effectively and keep you from having to scramble your entire doubles lineup.
     
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    Sliliam sat out against UCF on Wednesday as well. For Florida to have a chance tomorrow against us they'll need him in the line-up. We just shuffled our doubles line-up so it'll be interesting to see how the new pairings do against Florida's 3 strong teams.
     
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    #6 Georgia at #10 Florida

    Georgia won the doubles. UGA leads 1-0.

    Taboada beats Diep. UGA leads 2-0.
    Pieters beats Newman. UGA leads 3-0.
    Carleton beats Doumbia. UGA leads 3-1.
    Slilam beats Singh. UGA leads 3-2.
    Alford beats Pasha. Tied 3-3

    van Overbeek vs. Spencer.
    VOB takes first set 7-6(4).
    Spencer wins 2nd set 6-0.
    VOB leads 3rd set 5-2.
     
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  26. Satsuma Florida

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    VOB served for the win and got broken. Now on serve at 5-4. uh-oh.
     
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  27. Satsuma Florida

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    Yep. 5-all.
     
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    Spencer leads 6-5. VOB choke job almost complete.
     
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    Georgia wins as expected.
     
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  30. floridatennisdude

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    Alford is our mid season MVP.
     
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    joran van der sloot is in jail. Sweeting was the best that the Gators could ever dream of.
     
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  32. floridatennisdude

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    Gator women just totally destroyed UK. Match was delayed until today due to rain. Doubles was competitive yesterday, but the singles today wasn't even fair.
     
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    Gator women won so quick in Starkville tonight that they made it back to see the end of the men's match in Gainesville. Wish they would have brought more luck with them...:(
     
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    The environment fostered by Jackson for his palyers is based on intimidation, and humiliation. I would venture to guess that all team members hate him with a passion. Mix that together with the fact that he treats team members differently based on his whims , not performance, and you end up with unhappy tennis players. Butz starts the
    spring season with a National ranking, posts a win over UGA's Pieters in the SEC indoors, then is rewarded with the bench!? Alford goes on a tear mid season 5-0 while Diep goes 0-5, and Alford gets the bench after a loss!? There is no consistency with the program. It seems to me that Jackson is going to play his favorites no matter how bad they are doing and that also undermines his credibility with players. The other problem with the program is that there is no player development going on. The good programs keep striving to improve the players as they progress through college, UGA and USC are two good examples. The only reason Jackson has the roster that he does is because it's still UF at the end of the day and that by itself is a huge draw.
     
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    Certainly interesting. Sounds like you have first hand knowledge or simply an opinion from afar?
     
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    VOB is not weak, he has had some nagging injuries but when he's healthy he can beat anyone out there. For example, he won against #2 Nevolo and #13 Scholtz recently and was points away from taking out Will Spencer. Butz is very good and has a big game but attended a traditional Florida high school and gets no respect from the coach. Same with Alford, awesome singles player but he's not from the USTA or France so he rides the pine a lot. I also agree with you Dawgie about all the transfers-crazy that he loses so many guys. I heard there will be more leaving after this season. Finally, you're so right about our girls! They are incredible and will take the title again this year!
    Go Gators!
     
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  37. floridatennisdude

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    If I had to guess...parent.
     
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    ......................
     
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  39. floridatennisdude

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    That's not Andy, though. Always smiling, eager to approach and meet people. Given, I never played for him. I just don't see him as not "happy/content" in everyday life.
     
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    I have zero inside knowledge, but even viewed from a distance, the attrition at Florida is epidemic. Tyler Hochwalt, Jeff Dadamo, Johnny Hamui, Joey Burkhardt, and Carlos Cueto, and then Sekou Bangoura going pro too early (I suspect that if someone likes their situation they don't turn pro as easily unless they are about to make a fortune). Last year, you could have put together a team of former Florida players that would have beaten their old program. Only Illinois is competitive in the race for the worst attrition prize. If it is not the weather, the conference, the school, the athletic department, the facilities ... that seems to leave the coach as the likely explanation.
     
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    I have a family friend with close connections to the team so I hear alot about whats going on at UF tennis. I also used to coach and play so I know the game well.
     
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    I was close on that guess!
     
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    The good news is that the Gators can easily win out the rest of the regular season, Auburn will be tough, but beatable. There is no substitute for winning matches. I see them going on a roll regardless of who is in the lineup. They win the opening NCAA quallifier then go to Athens as a top 10 seed. The Lady Gators just crush all challengers and make finals against Stanford , it will be a coin toss. Lets Go Gators!
     
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    So you think this coaching style - if indeed true - is what has been the main reason of the players that have transferred out? They all simply hated playing for Jackson.

    You coached and played at D1 level?
     
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    Bangoura having issues even qualifying for futures. Lost to former Hokie Pedro Graber in Vero Beach. Bad loss
     
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    Had he stayed, he'd be playing 1 and be a lock of all SEC for us and he'd be a year from a degree. Team would probably have been legit top 8. Regretful all around.
     
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    Big loss for the Gators!
     
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    bigger loss for Bangoura....at this point he needed UF more than UF needed him. We might be round of 8 instead of round of 16. He's out thousands of dollars of his scholarship.
     
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    Completely agree on Bangoura. Turning pro is going to cost thousands and thousands. And he's going to run into some stallions out there.

    Stay in school!
     

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