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  1. bolo

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    My preference is to have murray, djoko and soderling on the same side of Nadal's draw, and then face fed in the final. :)
     
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  3. bolo

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    I see the alternate personality is fighting for dominance. :shock:
     
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    I'd like to see Fed and Nole on the same side of the draw for once.
     
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  5. norbac

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    They were on the same side last year, Nole didn't do much though.
     
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    Hopefully Verdasco is on Djokovic's and Federer's half. I can foreshadow a few upsets...
     
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    I forgot. I'd like to see a Fed-Nole SF though.
     
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  8. Li Ching Yuen

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    I prefer to see the goddamn draw.
     
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  9. norbac

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    Agreed. I think if Nole toughens through the first few rounds we may see him reach top form again, at least I hope so.
     
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  10. bolo

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    lol. 10 char. :)
     
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    No, I actually dropped my alternate personality a while ago. I wasn't joking when I want all djoko, murray, soderling, and federer on Rafa's path to the clown. I think Rafa is definitely capable of taking out all of them on the same path. If he accomplish that, he will further consolidate and strengthen his confidence and his place in tennis/clay. It can also silence many haters.
     
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    Hi dim dim :)
     
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    So you really came on to a tennis messageboard and said that you want the 2nd, 3rd and 4th seeds in one half of the draw?:confused::confused:
     
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    It wouldnt mean anything since Djokovic wont be in the semis. Nor would Federer have a hard time beating him in a slam semifinal at this exact moment even if he somehow did make it that far.
     
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    That's what I want, but it won't happen in reality (not this year). Maybe when murray and djoko are no longer 3rd and 4th seeds. :)
     
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    Would the situation be different if he ends up on Rafa's side? No.

    Does Murray have a better chance to make it to the SF? I don't think so.

    Still, in case Nole finds back some form, I'd rather see a Fed-Nole SF than another Nole-Rafa.
     
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    Given the kind of luck Rafa usually has with draws, I wouldn't be surprised at all. Actually I'm fully expecting to see Sod, Verdasco, Gulbis and Djoko in Rafa's side of the draw. Murray is lame on clay so he'll most likely end up in Fed's :???:
     
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    OK I get it.

    I'd like to see Murray as the only seed in his half, with the other 31 seeds in the other half.
     
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    Unlike AO, nadal's chances here are much less draw dependent. I think he can handle soderling, djoko and federer in sequence without the chances of winning going down very much. Soderling, murray and federer in sequence is inviting a bit more trouble imo. He actually doesn't have to be superfresh for federer imo (2007 FO, I didn't think he was all that fresh), but still why risk it. :) Plus nadal has a lot of tennis coming up soon after RG so also have to think of that.
     
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    Rafa would love to see Verdasco in his draw. Are you suggesting that freaking Verdasco would be part of a scary draw for Nadal, LOL! Donald Young would be a tougher opponent for Nadal than Verdasco.

    Like I said in my previous post Djokovic wont even make it as far as the semis at this years French so whose half he is in really becomes irrelevant as far as either Federer or Nadal go.

    Soderling isnt a top clay courter. His performance at last years French was a fluke since it is his worst surface by far really. That said with his playing style he is probably a tough matchup for Rafa, plus his recent success against Nadal gives him some confidence and lack of fear. However he is a top 8 seed so would have to make the quarters. It would be surprising if he doesnt go out in either the 3rd or 4th round really.
     
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    Well you know, noone is a scary draw on clay for Nadal. I was just listing people who had good clay performances this year (I included Sod because he was in the Barcelona final and after all he's already beaten Rafa, so one can't completely eliminate him as a potential danger even if I agree that the Rafa he beat last year was greatly diminished physically).
     
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    Doesn't really matter what side Djoker is on. One in-form player = instant upset.

    And of course, that player will lose in the very next round (unless it's Verdasco and he isn't playing Nadal in the next round) which will make it even more sadder.

    Hopefully Gulbis gets a decent draw but it would nonetheless still be great to see how he fairs against an early test. He beat Fed and was mighty close against Nadal so hopefully he keeps the effort up.
     
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  23. Li Ching Yuen

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    Besides the regulars on clay: Nadal, Federer, there are two semi spots that are up for grabs, it all depends on the draw.

    Gulbis: on the rise, made to the QF's of this when he was even more reckless than he is today, imagine what he could do today to this decimated claycourt field.

    Ferrer: Fighter, it will be harder here, because it's Best of 5, and players have the time to put it together before the match ends and find away around David's consistency. I predict he will have fatigue problems.

    Verdasco: Could get a good result here, depending on the draw.

    Soderling: He could possible get into a groove with some lesser opponents in the earlier rounds, so who knows, but I predict he will stumble against a player ranked near him.

    Djokovic: Will probably get into a third round with no problems, but needs to win a hard match early on first to be able to pose any threats.

    Murray: Highly depends on what draw he gets.

    Almagro: Nothing to lose, he will just smack that ball til the end of the day, just pray for some dry conditions.


    Just like most of these tournaments in this era, the Round of 16 and Quarters will be the most interesting to watch and SHOULD NOT BE MISSED by any chance.
     
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    I thought djoko is harder to handle on clay than murray?

    Anyway, I agree. In terms of practicality, I would rather want Nadal to have a normal draw with 2 to 3 top guys there so that he will have enough in the tank for the grass and hardcourt season. But for pride, it would be a different story. :wink:
     
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    Hey Val. How have you been? :)
     
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    I fear that as well:neutral: ATP(look at the profile pic he looks like a Colombian drug dealer) and ITF hate him and will give him a draw from hell because they want Fed to win 4 RG in a row:neutral:
     
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    For most of their careers I would say yes, but my sense is that right now, and this is based on the results from the last 5 months or so, djokovic isn't playing that well. And over a longer time period my impression is that murray is a better pick in 5 setters. Initially this was not true, djokovic was quite good at going deep in all GS, but looks like something might have changed in the last year or so.

    Murray also had a little lull, but he was playing solid CC tennis again versus ferrer. Ofcourse nadal is the heavy favorite but murray is not going down without a fight if they meet imo; nadal has an incredibly hard time hitting through/around murray, and that's nadal's game now versus murray type players (monfils, seppi, simon etc.) on all surfaces. :)

    Also my read on nadal's game from mid 2008 on, except for the lull in the fall 09 HC season, is that his worst player type is low UE grinders who take their opportunties when they see their chance. That's murray to a T, plus murray's got the big serve (although low %) as well and is near nadal in terms of finesse. Finally until soderling last year and aside from federer, the guy who has given nadal the hardest time at RG is actually hewitt (2 tough fights vs. only 1 from mathieu). I like to think of Murray as hewitt 2.0 sometimes. :)

    Lol, yeah I get a kick out of watching nadal against a sequence of great guys too. I do want him to run the gauntlet on all 5 CC tournaments one more time before he retires, just for the fun of it, ideally with some slightly modified strategies, so he can still walk at the end of the experience. :)
     
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  28. veroniquem

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    Ha ha why 4? he should aim for 8 of each slam, 32 total.
     
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    Zzzzzzzzzz. He seriously needs to stop winning slams already. The gap between him and the rest of the ATP tour is ridiculous. He has more slams than the entire ATP tour(besides him) have combined:shock:
     
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    True. He's a slam addict. Is there a treatment? I'm sorry to say but Nadal is the only one who can beat Fed in slams (I know Djoko and Delpo have done it but only once, so not conclusive enough).
     
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    I agree Nadal is unfortunately really the only one who can beat Federer in slams. I would like to see Djokovic or Del Potro do it for a 2nd time to further solidify themselves as threats but I am not sure I see it happening anytime soon or not.

    Roddick has the heart and fighting spirit but not the game.

    Murray is too reliant on errors from Federer to win and cant seem to provoke them when they play in a slam where it really matters.

    Davydenko is a pathetic chronic choker vs Federer.

    Soderling has taken up Blake's former role as the top tenner who is a wannabee Federer bride who shows up with his bouquet to play Federer rather than his weapons.
     
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  32. Cyan

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    No wonder they call this a mug era.:oops:
     
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    Djokovic was in Fed's half last year, as well as in the USO, and Wimbly as well. You are unbelievable.
     
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    Djokovic's draw:

    r1: Qualifier
    r2: Stakhovsky
    r3: Troicki
    r4: Philipp Kohlschreiber defeats Nole in straight

    Fed's draw:


    r1: Mardy Fish
    r2: Marcos Baghdatis
    r3: Thiemo De Bakker
    r4: Ernests Gulbis defeats Fed in 4 sets.

    Nadal's draw:

    r1: Hanescu
    r2: Federico Gil
    r3: PHM
    r4: Tommy Robredo
    1/4: Robin Soderling
    1/2: David Ferrer
    Finale: Fernando Verdasco

    RG 2010 winner: Rafael Nadal Pareira:)
     
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  35. bolo

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    He's not losing to Gulbis dutch, Fed. loves that type of player. But I would like to see a dasco/federer match. :)
     
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    A red hot Gulbis 'd take Fed down,just like Soderling took Rafa down last year.I'll bump this thread early june:)
     
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    allright you are on. :) I am going with nishikori as my pick, just to make it kind of fair, I guess. :)
     
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    Davey I love your description of Sod, too funny :)
     
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  39. Justdoit10

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    Verdasco in the final? I think im gonna be sick.
     
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  40. bolo

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    Any chance you are going back to France for RG?
     
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    In a best of 5? lol.
     
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    Acasuso will! (Or Montanes ha ha). Bellucci maybe?
     
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  43. bolo

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    Bellucci looks solid to me. He could take someone out.
     
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  44. Li Ching Yuen

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    A ballkid probably.
     
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    That counts too, :) 100 ATP points for a ballkid......it's in the fine print somewhere.
     
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    From who? Certainly not Verdasco. He has no shot of beating Fed in a slam, maybe Djoker in the p!ss poor form he's been in, but Fed? Nope.
     
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    Let's just get it out of the way - there is no 'tough' draw for Nadal at RG. Of course there's guys he wouldn't like to see, but when it's all said and done, I fully expect him to be in the finals no matter who's on his side. Let's get that one straight before the people come whining if Rafa draws Nole/Sod and Fed draws Murray/Rod type draw.
     
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    Funny, isn't it? All these guys beat Nadal though. Especially Nadal must shudder to meet Davydenko in a slam.
     
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    Well, everyone is talking about their "preference"

    I am not sure if I have one, but I have a prediction.

    There are few remaining clay court players.

    (Murray is out of the picture imo, whichever side he is, is a plus for the top seed.)



    Sod, Gulbis, Verdasco, Ferrer, Djoker, Almagro

    From these 6, each will get 3.

    Sod will go on Nadal's half ( it's good for business)

    They will not put Sod and Gulb on the same side, so Rodge draws him.

    Verdasco is too boring against Nadal, so Rodge draws him too, then Almagro goes on Nadal's side.



    The question is, where Djoker goes?

    I am guessing Djoker goes on top of Nadal's Draw..

    So here it is:

    Rodge: Gulbis, Verdasco, Ferrer (Murray by default)

    Rafa: Djoker, Sod, Almagro,
     
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    ^^^The draw is random, so that post is pretty most worthless as far as where 'they' (who is they, BTW) will put certain players.
     
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