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  1. Tund3r

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    Following your suggestions given 1 month ago ...

    Changed grip, FH and BH ... i moved my contact point forward and trying to hit the ball when it is lower

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik0qpWDrgk4

    sorry if the camera still low but for the moment is the only way to film

    what do you think?
     
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  2. Bagumbawalla

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    I did not see your previous video, so I can't discuss improvement. Mainly, I just want you to have some feedback, so I will start with some general statements.

    1.You need to try to get (as much as humanly possible) set up for the ball in the same way every time- so that you can stroke through it (as much as humanly possible) the same way and not be stretching, hitting low, hgh, soon, late, falling back, cramped (and so on)- every other shot.

    2. When you do hit the ball, try to not just get it back, but have a particular placement in mind-- possibly you can set up a cone or a towel the you can "aim" for. This will help you know when you are getting it right.

    3. Try to get the feeling of hitting solidly through the ball- feel it "popping" off your strings.

    4. Practice and repitition is always the key and it would help if you could find apractice partner who is more consistant (ball machine?) for honing your strokes.

    5. There were several shots (not very many, really) where everything came together and you hit a fairly nice ball- look over your own video. Find those shots. Try to duplicate that form in future sessions.

    6. Well, I only got about half-way through the video, but to sum up-- You are not aweful, you have the look of someone learning, who is on the right track, and who just needs lots of practice.

    7. It would not hurt to find a good instructor who can keep you pointed in the right direction and give you 1/1 feedback- this could, possibly, speed up your improvement process.
     
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  3. Tund3r

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    Ty very much for the suggestions, i'll try to do that.

    i know that there are very few shoots that are acceptable but the good new for me is that i have that feeling on the court so at least i have cognition of what is happening and i try to do exactly what you said (be in the same spot and hit the same way) other than trying to find the common error to correct. did you see some mistake i do too often?


    this is my previous video (much shorter)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpDVsZftz-k
     
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  4. TennisCJC

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    I will keep it very simple.

    You use a lot with your arm. Stand up where ever you are now. Now get your hands in the prep position where you turn your shoulder to the side but your hands still stay between your shoulders like you are about to go into your FH swing. Now bend your R knee about 6 inches and stand only on your R leg. Now take a swing leading with your legs and core. Transfer your weight up and forward to your L foot while rotating hips and shoulders into contact. Arm should follow core rotation not lead it. At end of swing, your weight will be firmly on your L foot and you will be standing on the ball of you R foot.

    Don't over do it. Just try to get the feeling of a good weight transfer and leg lift going into your swing and let the arm stay in sync with this movement.

    Next time you are on court, try loading the R leg with weight and getting 6 inches of knee bend. Use leg lift and core (hip to shoulder) rotation to power the stroke as you unload weight and transfer it to L foot. Hold the racket loosely and just swing freely.

    Another concept that may help is when you feed balls think of letting the R hip drive your stroke thru the ball.

    I think you use very little body and lots of arm. Body is for power and arm and hand is for direction.
     
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  5. Bagumbawalla

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    Yes, I agree with the above. Even when you do get into the proper position, you load your weight on the "rear" foot, but your other leg and hip are, more often than not, locked up- causing a variety of problems- hitting "up" arming the stroke, impeding free foreward momentum.

    Try this. Take a light weight 5, maybe 10 pounds. Hold it with both hands. Squat down a bit, knees bent weght on "back" foot. Swing the weight slowly, smoothly, like a forehand stroke and get a sense of your body weight shifting up and over (push up and forward with the rear leg as you shift your weight to the other. Then with the weight, now, shifted) do the same thing from the backhand side-- back and forth, until you get the feel of the required weight transfer.
     
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  6. RetroSpin

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    Your strokes aren't bad at all. I can see the potential for considerable improvment as well. Try the following:

    1. You do not appear to be seeing the ball very well at impact. If you watch a top pro like Fed, their focus remains on the impact point well after contact. You jerk your head up immediately. The problem with doing that is it is easy to jerk it up before impact. Watch pros rallying and you will see they make a fetish out of seeing the ball through impact.

    2. Your contact point is all over the place. Sometimes out front, other times beside your body. It is why your strokes look somewhat jerky. You are having to alter your stroke on routine shots to accommodate different contact points. I wonder if this is not related to point 1 above. If you are nto seeing the ball, you have to guess at contact.

    3. On your FH, your left arm is all over the place. Sometimes you point it at the ball or keep it parallel to the baseline, other times not. Most of the time, as you swing, you drop it by your left side. If you watch top pros, they do not drop it but keep it up by their left shoulder. It seems like a small point but it helps you rotate through the ball.

    4. You need to relax a bit and try to make your strokes quicker and more fluid.

    Hope these help.
     
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  7. Tund3r

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    Ty, this period I'm looking to use better my body and this are great suggestions. As I understood I'm doing the right stuff but in the wrong order so it's like I'm not using the body, right?

    Ty I'll do this exercise next gym session.

    This are all right point and I'm working on all of them, today for example i was at the wall focusing on the left arm, the problem is that is not automatic yet so when i focus on one thing I tend to lose the other.

    What do you think about praticing at the wall (to correct this points) with child low bounce ball? is a good idea or is better to play with regular one?
     
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  8. Topspin Shot

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    OP, what has the letter h ever done to you?
     
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  9. Tund3r

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    Lol, If you are talking about my nick i mispelled it one time joining a chat 15y ago and from then i adopted it :)
    At least it is easyer to find it available
     
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    I think he is also talking about the title haha
     
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  11. Tund3r

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    Ops ... I didn't noticed that :)
     
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  12. Topspin Shot

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    Talking about the user name and the title. :)
     
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  13. RetroSpin

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    >>This are all right point and I'm working on all of them, today for example i was at the wall focusing on the left arm, the problem is that is not automatic yet so when i focus on one thing I tend to lose the other.

    What do you think about praticing at the wall (to correct this points) with child low bounce ball? is a good idea or is better to play with regular one?<<

    That's why I set them out separately. Work on one thing at a time. Go out with a ball machine and count how many consecutive shots you actually see the ball at impact, for example.

    Generally, I think it's very hard to address more than one issue at a time. The left arm position you can practice in front of a mirror. Using a wall and a child's ball may be good, but I wouldn't overdo it. It's easy for bad habits to creep in.

    You have sound strokes and are athletic, so I think you can make big improvements quickly.
     
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  14. Tund3r

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    For the moment I'm focusing most on the left arm, some stroke i felt was more natural and a little bit stronger but i don't know if my feeling are right, what do you think?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOuQlZ6ONI8
     
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  15. RetroSpin

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    You have pretty strong looking strokes, so any criticism is minor stuff.

    On your left arm, look at vids of pros like Rafa and compare. You are keeping left arm up better after you release it from the racquet, but when you start your stroke you still drop it to your left side. Rafa and most others keep it up around their left shoulder.

    I think this position aids them in turning their body. The left arm goes from being parallel to the baseline or pointing at the ball , then swings around to the left shoulder as the body turns. You are just dropping yours to your left side, which if anything is slowing or cutting off your rotation.

    The other thing I see on your FH is that you don't rotate your body fully. Rafa is face on to the net at contact. You are still a bit closed and never really get face on, even into your followthrough. Look at a guy like Kohlscreiber. His right shoulder is facing the net on his follow through.

    You are hitting good shots but you can generate more power with less effort. Also, a FH that depends on arm movement as opposed to body turning is more likely to break down in a match when you get a bit tight.
     
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  16. Tund3r

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    Ty, Criticism is what keep me growing so are always welcome ...
    Pretty good observation i tend to like stop THE turning instead to let it go ... is pretty hard to keep THE arm up, before THE stroke is easyer to focus on it ... I'm trying to put THE hand face down to make it a little bit more natural, i guess i need a little bit more pratice
     
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