Football fans -- Yea or Nay to Jay Cutler's pulling out in middle of playoff game

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Yea or Nay or Neutral to Cutler pulling out of playoff game

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  1. Yea-- ankle sprain must have been bad and he sucked so that was right thing to do

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  2. Nay --- Jay should have stayed in the game like a tough football player

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  3. Neither -- we should shut up since we don't really know how bad the injury was

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  1. Fedace

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    Now the initial report of why Jay Cutler pulled out of the game just after 2nd half started is Ankle sprain. Now this is a NFC championship game and not a regular season game. I have known football players that play with broken bones and torn ligaments. but then the bears coach say he pulled him out and Jay didn't quit. Not sure if Bears could have won if Jay stayed in there, but it left alot of fans with bad taste in their mouth.:???:
     
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    1. Haine played much better than Cutler

    2. Packers would have won any way
     
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    I say if Jay went in for that last drive, he would not have thrown that interception and Bear would scored a TD and tied the game
     
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    Some Harsh comments from ESPN website:

    Arizona's Darnell Dockett posted on his Twitter account: "If I'm on chicago team jay cutler has to wait till me and the team shower get dressed and leave before he comes in the locker room! #FACT."

    Jaguars running back Maurice Jones-Drew added his thoughts with tweets from his account saying: "All I'm saying is that he can finish the game on a hurt knee... I played the whole season on one..."
     
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    I don't know the extent of his injury, so I don't really want to comment on that part of it. This was probably a wake-up call for him, though. To have so many current and former players dog-piling on him says something about his reputation and how much good will he's built up for himself.
     
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    Jay Cutler seem like a shy and very sensitive man to me. and he is not out spoken. so i think it is easy to miss understand someone that is like this. He may have cared for that game more than anything he ever had but he is not demonstrative so we can't see what he is feeling inside.

    It is like that other Thread about co-workers that other guy made. He assumed that this girl that he was working with never wanted to talk to him. but sometimes people are shy and they just don't initiate or demonstrate the love they feel inside. so we just Assume that they don't care or they don't want to talk or they don't like us. but inside they Want to talk and be demonstrative but they are just waiting for someone else to initiate it.
     
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    ^^ Maybe Cutler and Mendenhall can "hook up"

    or maybe Cutler can get some love from his running back

    some guys really like the shy, silent type
     
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    I'm a Bears fan but am logical enough to know that the Packers are the better team. It wouldn't have mattered, IMHO, and Haine actually played better anyway. I'm certainly no Cutler fan or apologist but only he and his teammates know the real deal. He has that "hang dog" look, just like Sampras, so you never really know the deal. He got sacked more than any QB should this year and has played behind a college-level O-line for two years. He stuck in there and at least got them to the playoffs with virtually no offensive weapons other than Forte (the offense still doesn't know what to do with Hester). I can't recall hearing Cutler throwing them (the O-line) under the bus. I do know that Rogers cut the Bears D to pieces in the first half, putting them in a hole I don't want the Bears to have to crawl out from.

    As for M. Jones Drew...didn't he sit out the last 2 games? Wasn't J-ville in contention for a playoff spot until the final game of the season? Zip it.
     
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    I agree. I don't think he's a bad guy, but he's perceived unfavorably. He had a few maturity issues when he was younger, and he's consistently been less than accommodating when it comes to basic media stuff. That creates a nasty image, even if it isn't true to life.

    Let me put it this way: If you're a pro athlete, to have someone question your heart should be the highest insult. The fact that so many people in and around the league were questioning him says something. Hopefully it will cause him to take a second look at why he's being perceived unfavorably and consider what he can do to change that.
     
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    So Beside being pulled out of the game by his Team doctors as the Coach saids,,,,,,,,,
    What is making him being seen unfavorably by the media and or people ?
     
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    I was cheering for the Bears (and now I want the Steelers to win the Super Bowl). My only guess is that maybe Mr. Cutler wants to extend his playing career and doesn't want to take chances with a serious injury.
     
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    If that was really his thinking,,,and i am not saying that it was,,,he will get kicked off the team. This maybe the only chance he and his team-mates have to go to the big dance and Win. and you take it easy because you don't want to worsen a injury...????????
     
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    This is not being reported accurately in the media.

    The truth is that Jay had to leave to participate in a girls' flag football playoff game. Girl Scout Troop #352 out of Chicago should be issuing a press release about their success shortly. Rumor is he is one of the tougher players in their league.
     
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    Jay has only shown to be a serviceable QB when his defense does it's job of limiting opponent's points to 14 and under. Jay is no comback kid.
    And he's been severly gunshy from weeks and weeks of getting sacked multiple times in the early season. It's tough to be bold and stand in when you are piled on by 290 lbs defensive lineman who run as fast as you do.
    As for him not throwing the final interception..... would he have gotten the Bears that close? NOPE.
     
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    Confirmation bias. That's why the rush to judgement here.
     
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    Neay

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    In all honesty, im going to wait to rush to judgement.

    My boss and friends tell me i'm acting like Cutler's best friend or something. And i keep hearing "Favre would have played".

    But all said and done, that's the past, and we need to keep Cutler because he's the best thing for the bears at QB since McMahon.

    It was a pretty spectacular season all said and done, NOBODY would have said, MIDWAY through the season that the Bears are even going to make the playoffs.

    It was a hard game to watch, but lets move forward, upgrade the O-line, maybe pick up a TRUE #1 reciever, and we have what could be a steady Offense.

    Is he the best QB in the league today? NO! but would you still prefer us to have Orton and/or Grossman back? I certainly wouldn't.

    Give it time.
     
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    Time is a quarterback's best friend, and more often than not, Cutler didn't have much time once the ball was snapped to him - this is true. And while the loss was frustrating on so many levels, and fans (including Wilbon) are so passionate about our Bears, what bugs me most about Cutler is how terrified I am every time he drops back to pass. Every time. I have absolutely no confidence in him as my franchise QB.

    Not that he doesn't have a good arm, or has heart, or passion to win. I don't know him or play alongside him, so I can't question what I don't know firsthand. No, it's his mechanics, and more importantly, his QB brain that I question. He just doesn't seem to make smart choices with the ball, and I think that's why he takes a lot of heat.

    I know fans in Indy or Green Bay or New Orleans don't freak out when their QB has the ball. Pats fans don't feel like that. Even Philly fans didn't feel like that this year with Vick still learning the offense! So I just don't know why we in Chicago have to feel that terror. I know I'm not alone in this, so there must be something to it.
     
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    Even with a upgraded offensive line, I don't think Martz and Cutler will work out. Martz's offenses require a QB to make precision passes and complex reads, and even then the QB will have to take a brutal number of hits, since he hates calling run plays.
     
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    Many times what look like horrible throws for incompletions/interceptions are his receivers not running the right routes.

    I have no problem with Cutler. He plays with diabetes, no line to speak of, no star receivers, and was the most sacked quarterback in the league. Even when asked point blank, he's never passed the blame to anyone but himself for the team's poor play. Yeah, he looks sullen at times, but I think he's frustrated, and expects more from himself than what is possible given his supporting cast.

    I've played with a taped up thigh, sprained wrist, cramped up thighs, bad shoulder, and tennis elbow so bad I switched to left handed so I could still play, but that's *tennis* not football.

    Besides, what would everyone say if he had stayed in the game and been further injured to the point where he missed all of next season like Urlacher did last year?

    The irony is the Bears were the healthiest team in the league and their luck ran out at the wrong time.

    It would be interesting to me to see Cutler running with the ball for the pylon, even with his bad knee, and Deon Sanders having to make the game saving tackle. Then we might see who the tough player with heart really is.
     
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    This! Great post. Neon Deon can't even spell heart, much less talk about it. Deon "I don't like to tackle, take plays off, avoid contact at all costs" Sanders...what a hypocrite. There's also a huge difference between certain injuries. It's probably easier to play with certain bones being broken than having an unstable knee/possible ligament tear. I've had broken bones but I can certainly say that nothing has locked me up/immobilized me like a severely herniated disc.

    As for being nervous with Cutler...nothing compares to 06/07 with Grossman. You were hanging by a thread on each down.
     
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    Bears can't afford to get rid of Cutler and there isn't any QB that is better that is available, so Cutler is not going anywhere anytime soon. That is what i am hearing from the sports network
     
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    Its not that he was hurt. But it was the reaction he showed on the sidelines. Maybe we didnt see everything, but perception is a big deal. And the fact that players of other teams get that perception in the first place shows what kind of person he is. I doubt Peyton comes out of the game with an MCL strain, but he he did he would be talking to the backup and doing whatever he could to help that team win in whatever capacity he could. With Cutler you dont see that, and thats why the reaction are the way they are. Cutler is a very easy guy to not like.
     
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    Agree, ESPN, Mike Golik was talking about that exact same thing. Perception. It is really hard though. You try to do the right thing all the time but people doesn't always perceive what you are really like or trying to do. Cutler's position is even more difficult due to such public position he is in.
    ESPN was saying maybe his Diabetes is causing him to act low key and kind of down and out all the time........STUPIDist statement i have ever heard. Moran sports reporters.
     
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    It's arrogant to second guess someone who feels he can't play due to an injury. A MCL injury to a quarterback sounds pretty legit to me. I suspect more teams are hurt than helped by guys who try to play hurt. Even the famous game 7 appearance by Willis Reed against the Lakers in the 1970 finals probably hurt more than helped. Reed scored all of 4 points in that game, with Frazier carrying the load. Did Reed provide a crucial emotional lift? Not clear that a team playing a seventh game needs something to help them get pumped.
     
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    Also wan't the Coach saying that Cutler wanted to play on ?? but the Doctors said he had to come out. Bears Coach was trying to blame the Team Doctors, that is what i heard in the press conference. Bears coach said it was out of his hands......LOL yea throw the team doctors under the bus,,,,they are expendable....:):)
     
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    “To begin with, our perception of the world is deformed, incomplete. Then our memory is selective. Finally, writing transforms.” -Claude Simon
     
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    He was helping and Haine said so during post-game interviews. I saw multiple sideline shots with Cutler sitting beside him, going over plays. He has the Sampras look. If he would have been walking around trying to get everyone fired up, the haters would really be saying he quit.
     
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    Yea, because Jay was playing great earlier in the game and doesnt have any history of throwing terrible INTs at the worst possible time.
     
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    Is he the best QB in the league today? NO! but would you still prefer us to have Orton and/or Grossman back? I certainly wouldn't.


    I think the Bronocos got the better end of that trade. Orton and 2 first rd picks for Cutler? Plus, they are geting Orton at about a 3rd the salary that the Bears had to pay Cutler.
     
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    Phillip Rivers is a big fan of Jay Cutler, NOT!!! and Phillip played an entire game in the playoffs just a couple years ago with a "torn" ACL, which is much worse than a "sprained" MCL so you can bet that Rivers will continue to bark at Cutler whenever they play each other in the future.
     
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    But Rivers injured that ACL the game before and sat out the 4th quarter. Chances are that Cutler woulod have played had the bears won that game.
     
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    I saw him sitting about 3 feet from Hanie, not saying a word looking as self absorbed as always. The best for him to have done was to take the pads off andstand there on crutches huddling with the offense when they were not onthe field.

    But thats not who he is, and he wont do nothing that is not within his character. I give him credit for that. He doesnt care what people think about him. I think he doesnt care about anything, which helps him come back after throwing terrible INTs and keep hucking the football with no remorse.
     
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    Why would the QB not in the game be huddling with the offense? Could there be a bigger signal that "Hey guys, this 3rd stringer stinks and has no chance. Huddle up and listen to me if you want to win, even though I can't play right now"? That's Haine's job if he's on the field. If Cutler wants to help fire them up, that's another thing. Like I said, Haine even mentioned in interviews how Cutler was going over plays with him between possessions.
     
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    People just don't like their perception of the man. Facts are selected to justify their negative perceptions.

    If it were a likeable QB, everyone would be talking about what a warrior he was to have sweated his blood and guts out there, etc.

    I remember when TO played in the superbowl with the Eagles with a high ankle sprain against doctors advice. Everyone still called him selfish and criticized him. And the Eagles punished him. True, TO is no saint and not a likable guy, but he plays hard (and is damn good).

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/438531-terrell-owens-the-philadelphia-eagles-biggest-mistake
     
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    Good example. Living in San Diego, I got to watch LT go from best person in the world/Greatest Charger of all-time to a sore loser/should have played hurt when he was caught sulking on the bench.
     
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    Question: Was Jim McMahon a warrior or a wimp? He rarely played a full season and was always injured.

    Answer: Doesn't really matter. You either liked him or hated him.....and he delivered a super bowl (well, the defense did anyway) so all is forgiven.

    http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/McMahon_Jim.html

    Imagine if the Bears defense showed up on Sunday against the Packers. Game could have been much different.
     
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    I agree completely. They dug a nice hole early on. I was texting a buddy after the first Packers drive...and I was using a lot of expletives and "we're gonna get killed" phrases. :) A Rog was moving the ball at will. It certainly could have been much worse.
     
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    It's the typical fear and self-loathing associated with being a sports fan. We have no control whatsoever over the outcome, yet we remain emotionally invested in it. Inner rage of the beta male.
     
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    "Inner rage of the beta male"...Classic!!
     
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    Cutler has been running the offense all year. Why would he not huddle up with Hanie and the offense when the Bears defense is on the field. Cutler should be expected to do his best to make sure Hanie is most prepared and on the same wavelength withthe rest of the offense. Most of the shots you saw he was sitting 5 feet away sulking.

    Basically people wanted to see more of this.

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    And less of this. it even looks like he has headphones on listening to an Ipod or something. That kinda stuff does not help with your perception.

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    Who cares about perception? That's for the fat sausage eaters that never even played the game at a decent level. I care more about what his teammates think of him. Isn't it the offensive coordinator's job to be talking to the QB between possessions? That's what QB's do when off the field. Haine doesn't need someone in his face/ear 24/7. It's pretty hard to get the plays down that way.

    On a side note, I don't even care as much about Cutler as I do about Todd Collins. It's good to know the Bears had such an able and ready 2nd stringer. He looked like a Pop Warner QB out there. If you want to complain about toughness, look no further than the lack of mental toughness displayed by Collins.

    A great column on the topic by Jason Whitlock:

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...tler-might-have-quit-way-before-sunday-012711

    Good points about Cutler getting hammered his entire college and pro careers. Lack of passion? Probably. Toughness? No way. Considering that the SEC is essentially NFL-light, Cutler's been getting smashed by the best for a long, long time and keeps coming back.
     
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    It's the perception he only caers about himself, and not his teammates or the game of football that has caused all this. Nobody on his team caers about what other people think of him.

    The naysayers want to see Cutler and anybody else look like they care. So they want to see him trying to help the backups. Give them little morsels of wisdom to help them out.

    The fact that Haine had to say Cutler did that yet they didnt show him on the TV doing that shows that the players are coming to his defense and doesnt help matters.

    Cutler is just an even keel guy who doesnt express any emotions. Does that make him soft? No. Does it make him less passionate about football? No. But hes not running around like Favre acting like a fool. To most poeple running around acting like a fool means you love football and are extra passionate about it. And when you dont do that it means you dont care.

    The baseball version of Cutler is JD Drew. the guy just does not look like he cares
     
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    I'll take Sampras over Agassi (though most people prefer Agassi).

    "Image is everything"

    The only problem with Cutler is that he didn't win (The Super Bowl). If he does, everything will be forgiven and kids will be trying to emulate his flat-line style.

    But ya, if you're losing, I suppose you should "act the fool"........just to show you "really" care.
     
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    He didnt win the SUper Bowl? Hes never won anything. He has one playoff win in his career and that was against maybe the worst playoff team ever in the 7-9 Seahawks.

    His knee injury was so bad but he was filmed walking around a shopping mall for hours yesterday with his girlfriend. That doesnt strengthen his argument that he was too injured to tough it out. I admit that I never played pro football but I did play college basketball and if I was too injured to play in my teams biggest game of the year, but then the next day was able to walk around a shopping mall for HOURS, I can assure you that my team mates wouldnt want me to lead them the next season.
     
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    He should have gotten one of those scooters and put a big cast on his leg and let the media snap a few photos of him driving around.

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    I seem to remember Jay Cutler getting sacked nine times(!) in the 1st half alone against the Giants earlier this year. Think about it: 9 times in one half (which doesn't count the knockdowns after getting the ball off). Cutler left the game with a concussion. His replacement? His replacement got knocked silly and sent to the bench himself in the 4th quarter. And I seem to remember everybody (even here in N.Y.) screaming afterwards that Lovie & his staff "better make some serious adjustments--and quick--before he gets his quarterback (Cutler) killed."

    Even if it's in a mall, walk a mile in Cutler's shoes (i.e. try concentrating on a target downfield IN A TOTALLY EXPOSED POSITION with the threat of getting waxed time after time by modern-day 280 lb "speedster" DE's always looming) and then tell me that anybody--ANYBODY--who plays QB in the NFL doesn't have 'balls' the size of church bells.


    Cutler projects a 'vibe' (aloof?) that I'm not crazy about, but I don't know the guy...I only know that he's probably anything but a "cherry" (justmy2cents)
     
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