For all you Dunlop & Donnay fans.

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  1. High street sw19

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    Think of this before you part with your money, this guy owns all three brands Dunlop / Slazenger and Donnay!

    Mike Ashley uncovered
    A BBC investigation has followed the supply chain of multi-millionaire Mike Ashley's sports retailing business all the way back to one of the world's poorest countries where workers are paid around £1 per day for a 12 hour shift.

    A special Inside Out programme about the controversial owner of Newcastle United football club filmed workers in Laos making clothes for his Sports Direct stores.

    The factory had one sealed air conditioned room to keep cool a computerised sewing machine which was embroidering dozens of Lonsdale logos.

    Elsewhere on the site hundreds of people were in long production lines in the heat sewing clothes together ready to be shipped to Mike Ashley’s UK stores. They were bagged up - and amazingly even had a 70% discount sticker already added before they left the factory.

    The manager told the undercover reporters that his factory did not meet the internationally accepted standards for all garment workers – known as the AS 8000 standard.

    It guarantees no child labour is used, and the workers get a living wage without excessive overtime - in a safe and decent environment.

    The factory manager admitted, to meet the standard he would have to improve conditions in the factory - and pay staff more.

    Many other major sports retailers - such as Nike publicly list all their suppliers who all have all passed this test. Sports Direct doesn't list its suppliers.

    A spokesman for Mike Ashley told the BBC that the neither the company nor the club would be commenting. They did say that some of the questions the programme makers had written to them about were "inaccurate and misleading" – although they haven’t said in what way.

    The spokesman added they'd be watching the programme closely.
     
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  2. Bartelby

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    Thanks for that.

    Organic chickens and pigs love me already, so no child exploitation for me.
     
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  3. High street sw19

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    You are welcome !
     
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  4. The Meat

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    Dunlop's designs have been getting pretty ugly since 4D so I haven't bought any, doesn't affect me too much.

    Didn't know Dunlop is a brother company to Donnay.
     
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    When did Donnay stop manufacturing in Belgium?
     
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    This is from 2010.
     
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    sad... first they hike up the stiffness of their racquets (dunlop), now we find out about this...
     
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    1992 were the last rackets made in Belgium. In 1993 they went bankrupt (for the second time) and became Donnay International till 1996 (production already moved to Taiwan) and in 1996 Sports Soccer (Sportsdirect) took over the license, the rest is history...
     
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  9. High street sw19

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    And started selling sweat shop products.
     
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    Isn't the current line of Donnay racquets from a different licensee, who rents/bought/loans the Donnay brandname from Sports Direct?
     
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  11. High street sw19

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    It's a license deal, but Fat Mike has final say on product like all license deals.
     
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    Thanks for the info. There will always be companies using inexpensive labor where they can find it. Probably every country ( at one time or another) had children working in factories. We also had children working in the factories. Everyone back then needed to work to make ends meet. Same with the people you are talking about as well. I think we like to transfer our country and our standards to every other country. That just doesn't work out. What a working wage is here would be a kings ransom in other countries. Look at the per capita income differences in countries across the world. What a dollar would buy here would buy 1000 times that amount of something over there. So ruining an areas economy by paying a lot more to the workers then moving that company out of that area once they found another place to go would destroy that areas economy even more. I don't like sweat shop conditions either but we don't rule the world nor rule what companies do. We buy Chinese products like they are the greatest country for workers rights. They have worse than sweatshop conditions by using slave labor camps, black prisons, child labor,etc.. Of course there are some factories in China that are probably fine to look at and go through. Just what they want you to see, no more. Try going into other areas to look at where something is made that is in an area that is forbidden. Good luck with that.
     
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  13. High street sw19

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    Better still you can support manufacturers that sign up to ethical sourcing agreements (happily) and boycott those that do not, once they are hurt in the only place that matters ( cash ) maybe they will change then.
     
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    For tennis racquets, you can be sure Yonex won't be making theirs in labour camps.
     
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    The problem I have is that their are not many shops that sell decent rackets near me. I know SD is 90% sh!te, but the Lillywhites in London does have a very good selection of all brands including the top models.

    But they do also have a fair range of very low end Dunlop rackets, which are basically copies of the top rackets.
     
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  16. High street sw19

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    So go to a specialist like Wigmores ?
     
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  17. Rogael Naderer

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    And pay their over inflated prices / receive advice that is lagrely based on manafacturer marketing? No thanks.
     
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    Lilywhites are owned by SD, hence the cheap Dunlops. There is a half decent shop in Farnham, and a resonable mail order store in watford.
     
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    What, you are seriously telling me that there is no specialist shop in the London area that has price matching? Wigmore do ask them. Or order from TWE !
     
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    Some years ago I went on a trip to London with the family, my activity of the day was a trip lillywhites, you can not imagine how disappointed I was that it was now just a SD.....
     
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    Its dire eh? At least in the London area/the south east area (including surrey) there are a few stores you can walk into to buy a racquet at a resonable price. Up north (merseyside at least) its a lot worse, expensive stores that are few far between.
     
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  22. MAXXply

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    I have had good experiences buying online from a number of UK sports and tennis retailers. Although the number of them and their names gets a bit confusing. Most of them seem to have the word "Direct" somewhere in there. Ironically the only UK based sports retailer from whom I do not buy is Sports Direct, because of their absurdly expensive shipping - they're simply uncompetitive compared to some of their rivals when it comes to overseas shipping
     
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    I had a bad experience with Direct Sports, cheap enough but did not notifiy me when my parcel was sent (Bab APDGT) and it wasnt protected properly. It was shoved in a box and sent off :( The retailer in Farnham & Wimbledon have a decent mail order service.
     
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  24. csabam1975

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    Hi! Just looking through your conversation and spotted the highly negative critics regarding SD. Here I do not have any of their shops but after checking their sight, even wanted to order some Slazenger and Lonsdale etc. polo shirts and a Dunlop F 3.0 Tour racquet. You say their stuff is sh.t so I should forget?
     
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    Another place in London is out in Southfields - ***. There's a pretty good shop in Fulham too - 47 Degrees. It's primarily a ski shop, but they have a good selection of tennis racquets. The big names like Head and Wilson, but the intermediate - advanced models of their lines.
     
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    If SD owns Donnay, why is it so difficult to get the Pro One in London?
     
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    What do you mean IF, they do, fact, and if you want a real P1 there are plenty of them new on the bay....and SD are too busy selling six packs of Donnay socks here for £1.99 (made in a SD sweat shop of course).
     
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    There are true 1995 models (new) on the Bay for half the price of the licensed ones.
     
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  29. Dave M

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    Because the donnay company selling the "new" pro one is just a company who pay to use the donnay name from Mike Ashleys' company, the two are not linked and when I asked about getting them in the UK when they came out they said they were not allowed to sell them over here.
     
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  30. Carefree

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    I didn't mean "IF" as in "I doubt this is true".
     
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    Thanks. TWE (or the Bay) if I want one then, too bad they don't demo to the UK.
     
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    No worries if it was me I would go for the ones on the Bay from Hungary that are NOS and originals ;-)
     
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    Hi,

    The website looks like it has great deals and a lot of stuff is very cheap, but the quality is very low. The Slazenger clothing is not comparible to that of years ago.

    They have some stuff that is ok, but it is a case of you get what you pay for. And if you buy from the store they do not give refunds.
     
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  34. csabam1975

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    Thanks a lot for your feedback! The Dunlop and Lonsdale stuff you also consider as lower quality? Could you suggest some other online shop with favourable prices and shipping internationally? I would order a rather commercial quantity so that is why I ask that much... Sorry...
     
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    This thread was started to make punters aware that they use sweat shops and have questionable sourcing practices with all their brands, this does not not worry you? if that's the case, this is very sad indeed. This is for csabam1975 in particular.
     
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  36. Dave M

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    I bought a frame online, they sent the wrong one so I went to store to return it, you can only get store credit then too
     
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    This was one reason why I switched over to Yonex, the higher quality and knowing that I'm rather support Japanese workers, whose working conditions are going to be above standards. Or at least have one.
     
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    Thanks for being so kind to post me a message in particular, very thoughtful of you. I am very sad if you are annoyed by SD in any form. I asked a punter for an advice and did not give "like's" to SD, sorry if you find this so annoying. As for the sourcing practices, we could talk about all other companies I think. Do not think if you buy an overpriced T-shirt at 35-40 EUR that the people who manufactured it got more money than those where SD sourced. In most of the case only the profit margin is higher. Looked into quite a lot of Eastern European, Chinese, Egyptian etc. factories (true, it was food and fashion industry and not sporting goods), you would not believe how awfully those people are paid. Will not name brands since not the place but you would be surprised since mostly you are familiar with them...
    I dream about a world where assets are equally split. Until then don't be sad...
     
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    I was just answering a question about the quality of their goods. Of course I don't agree with sweatshops, don't be such a silly billy.
     
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    Yes, any returns to the shops and you will get a credit note. If you buy online and return online, that's the only ways to get a refund.
     
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    True indeed. Many manufacturers use low paid workers in sweatshops. Wasn't there press reports some time ago that Nike were one of the worst offenders? Yet many people wear their shoes and show off their multiple pairs. It's hard to really avoid I think, which is very tragic and clearly not right. And to be very clear, I do not agree with them at all.
     
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    There are a lot of brands that sign up to ethical sourcing agreements, the SD Dunlop group is sadly not one of them, and the only way it will change is if buyers make them aware by not purchasing their products. Once it starts costing Fat Mike money, maybe he will change his practices.
     
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    Fantastic, I hope you put your money where your mouth is :)
     
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    only thing is....high street sw19 just joined in february. but facts are there
     
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  45. High street sw19

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    Not sure what you mean by this remark?
     
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    Who is there left to buy from these days though?
     
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    Thats a very good point. With SD having pretty much swallowed up just about every other sports chain, it is very difficult to avoid them.

    Plus I suppose the fact that if you really want a Dunlop racket, if they are all made in the same place then where you actually buy it from does not make a lot of difference as far as that product is concerned, but I do see the point about not supporting SD.
     
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    Personally I support my local Pro shop and leave SD to the Chavs and Pikies ;-)
     
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    I know what you mean, I went in there today looking for a grip, none, not one......that was in a store that has a designated "racquet centre"!
    My everyday racquet is a angell frame so I agree with what you say about supporting local work, now it depends if you are just buying there to keep a local business going (ours have all long gone except the "pro" shops in sports clubs staffed by the inept) but do you believe the Dunlop/slaz they are made anywhere different to Wilson etc? I like the Dunlop 100 series frames, if anyone other than SD sells them they are always way more expensive.(Most online stores don't carry them)
    We are over the proverbial barrel these days so best to go for racquets where you can talk to the owner or designer of the frame and know what you are getting!
     
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    I don't have any local sports shops near me, they have all closed down unfortunately. I used to like a proper service you could get and would always support a local business if I could. Most likely a result of SD and their dominance.

    Even if SD didnt use sweatshop labour, the stuff they sell is not really worth buying anyway. For a decent selection of tennis rackets, the only store they own that is worth a visit is the Lillywhites at Piccadilly.

    Online is really the only option now if you want specific things like grips, etc.
     
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