For you POG lovers!!

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  1. drakulie

    drakulie Talk Tennis Guru

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    Seems like every other thread is about the K racquets, so I just thought I'd send you guys some love! My k-90's are being strung so I had a hit with a POG mid today. WOW! I had forgotten how beautiful this racquet hits. It was strung with luxilon mains and goshen crosses. I have only once before hit with Luxilon (full job-mains/crosses), and hated it. But this thing was VERY lively. Now I could relate as to what all the "hype" is about on these strings.

    As for the racquet, like I said>> it performed beautifully! Great serves, groundstrokes, volleys. Prince definitely had/has a winner with this racquet. It's a shame they were discontinued.
     
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  2. Voltron

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    You mean the good POGs were discontinued. (IE four stripe) Speaking of which, I have the chance to buy two POG OS four stripes, but I don't have the money. :( Oh well, I guess I'll never have a good POG.
     
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  3. tennisguy7482

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    long live the POG mid!

    new ones arent too bad, 4-stripes are a dream.
     
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  4. drakulie

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    ^^Yeah, that's what I was talking about>>> the four stripe. I have never hit with the newer ones so I can't make a comparison. But many people prefer the older ones to the newer ones, which is why I stated "discontinued".
     
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  5. jasonbourne

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    drakulie, thanks for this post.

    How would you compare the POG Mid to your k90 in the serves, groundstrokes and volleys?

    Is there any aspect you found the POG perform better compared to the k90?

    Like spin, feel or stability?
     
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  6. drakulie

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    jasonbourne, they are very different "animals". Both equally amazing.

    I would say the biggest difference is the stiffness. To me the POG was rock solid (in a very good way), where as the k90 is stiff, but feels softer. I would imagine a lot of people enjoy this type of feel the POG offers, as it provides excellent feedback to your hand at contact>>> just different than the K. It is a much more raw feel.

    The serves on both are amazing, although I would give the edge to the K.

    I would give the POG the edge in groundstrokes as I found it easier to generate a faster swing thru contact both on the foerhand and backhand. I was also getting excellent spin and able to hit flat shots with more pace than the K. (An influence of the strings perhaps??).

    As for stability, I would give the edge to the POG. Like I said, it is rock solid and does not twist in your hand at all.

    The volleys I would definitely give the edge to the K, although the POG was amazing as well. I think, especially related to this department it is a matter of what the user enjoys more. The k is solid with much better feedback to one's hand, whereas the POG is also solid but does not have the same amount of control.

    All-in-all, I had a great time hitting with this racquet today, and with the string set up. Like I said, I had fogotten what it was like to hit with this racquet. I don''t think anyone could go wrong with this racquet, and I am surprised I have no seen more people using them, or promoting this racquet on the boards.
     
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  7. Bengt

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    You're dead on about the raw feel. It's even better when you don't overgrip the leather.
     
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  8. drakulie

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    ^^^ yeah, I usually use tournagrip but wasn't using any over grip on it. The feel and feedback was just amazing.

    This racquet and the raw feel is what a REAL racquet is about.
     
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  9. jasonbourne

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    drakulie, thanks for sharing your feedback between the two frames.

    I'm surprised you gave the nod in stability to the POG. Sounds like you can quickly adapt to the best wilson and prince frames.

    I too am surprised less players on our boards don't hold the POG mid in higher esteem.

    Thanks again for this thread and reminding us about the great POG.
     
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  10. KingOfTennis

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    can any1 explain to me wat a POG is?
     
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    Prince Original Graphite
     
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  12. prostaff18

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    I bought a POG mid not to long ago and I was amazed at the rock solid feel. I felt like it was a dream to play with. I usually stay away from midsize racquets, but I wouldn’t hesitate buying three more and going to a tournament. I don’t know if it is the open string pattern, or the fact that it is a 93, but whatever it was I felt like it played a lot bigger than other mids. Anyone else think that it plays bigger than other midsize racquets?

    Also mine is the newer model.
     
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  13. drakulie

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    Agreed! I had forgotten how SOLID this racquet is.

    I definitely felt like it hit bigger from the ground than other mids. Rock Solid, Good Power, Spin, and Control.
     
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    I agree that the POG MP is an amazing stick. It's definitely in my all-time top 5 greatest racquets along with the PS 85, PC 600, PBP, and the MW 200G 95.
     
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  15. IT WAS IN!!!

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    i just have serving problems with it im on or off on serves because of where the sweet spot is
     
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  16. KOtennis

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    love the POG mid!!

    i can put some nasty slices and drop shots with that baby!

    and definitely agree with the "rock solid" feel

    too bad i never had the chance to hit with the "good" POG mids
     
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  17. spinny

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    I love my POG MID. Great spin, very stable, on the down side, sweet spot a little small. I coulnt resist an deal on a slightly used K90. Could you compare the two?
     
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  18. drakulie

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    Here you go:

     
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    Just a follow-up. I had a hitting session with dr punk from the boards today. It was even better than yesterday. I was hitting some huge forehands with the POG today. dr punk could confirm. When I flattened out the shots they were rockets. Very, very solid racquet indeed.

    :)
     
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  20. KingOfTennis

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    thankyou :D
     
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  21. vince916

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    where are the 4 stripes on the racquet?
     
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  22. mclee025

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    If you look the picture of the newer POGs at this link:

    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/viewlarge.html?PCODE=GRO

    The green you see running around the perimeter of the face and handle is a single green pinstripe. The older POGs from the mid-80's (2nd generation?) have four thin pinstripes instead of one thicker one (as in the newer POGs).

    Don't discount the newer POGs. I've got some old and new POG mids. My current sweetest setup, as in string + racquet, is a new generation POG mid strung with Wilson NXT tour 17 strung fairly tight.

    The racquet pockets the ball like no other racquet I've played with before. You can feel the ball sink into the strings in those clean hard strikes followed by a nice "twack" sound. This is the feeling (and sound) of control, and it's a very satisfying sensation! In this regard, it's the best of all my many racquets. That's saying a lot because I've been trying many different types of player racquet setups.
     
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  23. SocalTennis

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    The POG mid is the love of my life. Doesn't matter how many time I tried to look for someone new, I've always come running back to her. She serve me well in all areas (serve, volleys, and ground stroke are all SOLID). The best string that can fully brings out her full potential is Kevlar/syn. hybrid. With this set-up, she will give you the control you need and the softness you want. I just can't say enough about her and have enough of her. I currently have four (four stripes) and always looking to buy more. I guess, "only til death do us part"
     
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  24. Hessam

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    I have a brand new POG 90 series with 4 5/8 grip (old 4 stripe version)... email me if you're interested.... Hessam@aol.com

    Also has original beige full leather full racket cover for it.
     
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  25. Bengt

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    It's been a while since I've played with the old Graphite Mid, but the current one seems closer to it than the old OS to the current OS. The current OS feels more powerful and less maneuverable than the old OS. I really like the current mid, although the grip seems slightly larger than the old one.
     
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  26. jasonbourne

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    Bengt, thanks for sharing your experience between the old and current versions. My brother-in-law likes the mid and was wondering about what he would be missing by not getting the old version.
     
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    I have two pog midplus 1987 4 stripes and I´m about to buy a third one

    Simply, LOVE IT!!
     
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  28. drakulie

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    ^^^after meeting you, and hitting with yours, it inspired me to go buy one, and then make this thread.

    By the way, I posted the pic in the "Your Picture" thread.
     
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  29. nhstennis

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    i guess im lucky for getting a 4 stripe through a trade then!!
     
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  30. bluetrain4

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    Love the POG mid and OS, but also love the Tour Diablo mid, which really can be considered an updated POG mid based on the specs and feel.

    Both are great, but slightly different.
     
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  31. NLBwell

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    My theories on the POG mid -
    Open string pattern of 14 mains gives a lot of spin.
    Small head size (90-93 sq.in. however you count it) gives the stringbed a lot of control - shorter strings don't flex enough to send the ball flying out of control.
    Stiffer shaft gives good power, while more flexible head gives good feel. (I'm talking about the tennis racket)

    Only criticism I've seen often is a lack of power on the serve - probably due to the flexible head. For more power on serve (and groundstrokes) you can weight up the head of the racket - I have 0.1 oz (3g) at 3 and at 9. If you really want more bashing power put another 0.1 or 0.2 oz at 12 (though this cuts maneuverability).
    I also have some weight under the grip to keep the balance.
     
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    NLBwell, thanks for sharing. I recently switched to the k90 for the ps 85. I had been playing with the 85 for nearly 20 years.

    Anyway, after I met santolg321 I was able to hit with his POG. As a result I bought one.

    Thanks for sharing your setup with this racquet. I agree the POG is a bit lacking on the serve. But it still delivers a mean pop.
     
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  33. biggsy

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    why did they stop making them? So is the Diablo it's nearest reincarnation? Does the NXG not come anywhere near it?
     
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  34. Peter Szucs

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    Strange.. i find the POG to be a great serving tool.
     
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    ^^ I was comparing it to the K90. I felt the k90 had a bit more pop.

    I agree the POG is a great serving racquet as well. I don't think anyone (regardless of style of play) could go wrong with the racquet.

    It is great on serves,
    excellent on groundstrokes,
    and very good with volleys.

    A great all around racquet.
     
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  36. nhstennis

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    i only only have one racket, my POG 4 stripe mid, should i buy another one, or will it be to hard to find a indentical POG?....im also looking into a AG200 as another option will this be a good backup racket?? Any other good rackets that are easily maneuverable-all court rackets?
     
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    nhstennis, From the sounds of it, you seem to really like the POG. If you have found a racquet you like and play well with my advice would be to get a backup. Searhc the boards for people who are selling them, buy one from TW, or go on the auction site. It isn't often one finds a racquet they are completely comfortable with.

    Good luck in your search.
     
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  38. tenniko

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    I have to agree until the leather starts to wear out. I couldn't keep the racquet in my hands after that.

    I love playing with my POG mid (newer version), and it's improved my game a lot compared to when I was playing with TT Warriors.

    Solid, heavier groundstrokes and more penetrating serves. The amount of topspin you can get with POG mid is ridiculous. I currently play like nadal, and my forehand grip isn't even western :grin:

    Although POG mid is solid, cons of POG mid I think exist. First, I cannot hit a flat ball AT ALL. I know this because when I was hitting with my friends LM Prestiege I was crushing them groundies F-L-A-T :twisted: (perhaps it's a Prince thing: open string pattern??:confused: ). Second would be that for (short:sad: ) two-handed backhanders like me would prefer a little more reach on the backhand. Perhaps that's why Ferrero is using LB. (I've used MC LB in the past). So I've been comtemplating to get POG LB and modify it to 27.5". Lastly, volleys aren't as solid as it could be, perhaps due to the thinner beam construction than my Warriors before.

    Questions to those who've played with POG OS AND MID: which one do you like more???
     
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  39. jasonbourne

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    tenniko, I like the mid version more. It suits my all-round game and 1hbh better than the OS.

    I think the OS would suit 2hbh players better than the mid due to the higher power.

    As for volleys, the wilson pro staff 85 and 90s are also thin beam. They perform better on serves and volleys compared to POG mid. I don't think the thin beam is the issue with the POG mid. Perhaps the head stiffness.
     
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    jason, I read in the other thread you enjoy the newer version of the POG than the 4 stripe version. Could you give a brief description in the differences between the two? I have never hit with the newer version. Thanks in advance.
     
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    drakulie, I don't own the old one. I played with the older version couple of years ago for 90 minutes from one of my hitting partners. Since then my tennis skills, foot work and condition is much better and sharper.

    The newer one is clearly stiffer and faster to swing. These are two reasons I prefer the new one because I am able to produce more accurate serve placement and transition shots down the line. In addition, I can confidently and consistently take my opponents shots on the rise. I found stability slightly better with the new one as well. Power was greater.

    I injured my wrist last year and stability (non-twisting on off-center) and comfort is top on my list for my rackets. I found the new version better for this than the older one.

    In fact, I have played with my POG mid on fast hard court since the beginning of this month and I have never experienced a sore wrist after play. I'm extremely pleased with this result.

    Weight, great control and "raw" feel were the same.

    Perhaps my partner's racket is fatigued over the multiple string jobs it experienced over the years, hence, less stiff and power.
     
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    Thanks jasonbourne. I'm going to have to give the new one a try as well.
     
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    hey rick, whats this about a south florida tennis chapter
     
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  44. drakulie

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    ^^^ Just a name for the thread I will be doing with all the photots.
     
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    Well, I have 2hbh, so I guess I should've tried out the OS (Maybe I'll go back to my Chang LBs).

    I guess it's the stiffness of the frame rather than the thickness of the beam for the volleys now that you mention the pro staff. But for Prince, I've always associated the beam thickness with the stiffness, so in that sense I am not incorrect.
     
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  46. pchoi04

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    Wow... My first day back in awhile.... This is great to hear SOMEONE talking about the POG.
     
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  47. nhstennis

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    Has anyone played w/ the Longbody??
    I love my POG but it is quite heavy.....is the LB a good stick, how does the 28" feel??
     
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  48. superjumbo

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    nhstennis:

    read this thread:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=89048

    In stock form I found the POG LB easy to swing, especially on groundstrokes. Groundstrokes are the frames strong point, they feel really sweet with good power and spin. Serves are a little tricky at first b/c of the extra length but you'll get used to it with practice. Once you're dialed in you'll find good power and pretty good control. Volleys are the stick's weak point but this frame's for baseliners so you won't be coming in too much.

    The frame is nice in stock form but I play better when I cut it down 1/2 an inch and add some lead.
     
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  49. Lambsscroll

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    Which kevlar string gauge do you use in the mains? Which string do you use in the cross?
     
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  50. nhstennis

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    thanks super jumbo!!
     
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