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  1. dozu

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    nothing special... just old dudes playing tennis after rolling out of bed (different ones).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srk8jKBq378

    had to shoot from this side due to wind direction.... next time will shoot from the South side so the lighting will be better.

    This place is seriously lacking videos these days.... come on guys, show us what you've got.
     
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  2. arche3

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    Im sending you a hd flip and a tripod. :)
     
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  3. dozu

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    bro you gotta shoot a live ball hitting video of yourself... me tired of looking at that wall of yours.
     
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    2.5 camera work at best. in some parts of the south, i guess you might be a 3.0 camcorder operator.

    lol. just messing dood. get a tripod please. don't need a high def camcorder. just a cheapie tripod.
     
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  5. dozu

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    shot from Palm Pre Plus... it can't be mounted on a tripod :)
     
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  6. arche3

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    i think I found a tennis player that will let me video. I'm looking for a tripod for my phone now. If you go to your edgewater office we can video a duel to the death. :)
     
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  7. JackB1

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    attach a piece of styrofoam to the top of the tipod. You can stick the camera in there to hold it steady. or...just put it on a chair or something.
     
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  8. dozu

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    duel to the death is what I am looking for!

    also, as a lead in, we need to create some legendary figures, like our annual income, family pets, what kind of vans we drive etc etc.... just to get the TT crowd excited.
     
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  9. dozu

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    hm.. good idea....

    just ordered a tripod from the fleabay, now looking for a piece of foam :)
     
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  10. arche3

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    I'll wear a mask when we play and video.
     
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  11. dozu

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    a friend of mine collects body armors, I'll see if I can borrow a set.. hm, wouldn't that be something.
     
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  13. only4theweak187

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    every groundstroke is still hit off the backfoot why do so many players do this on EVERY ball?

    the only time you should be hitting groundstrokes off the back foot are on the run, and when pushed back and you are unable to take the ball early

    your forehand would have a bit more heaviness and punch to it if you transferred weight forward into the ball
     
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  14. dozu

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    ^^ watch Rafa, e.g. US final vs. Djok

    and count how many times he hits off the back foot.
     
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  15. Djokovicfan4life

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    There's a major difference between loading and driving with your back leg and just falling backwards. You're doing the second option a lot. Guess which one Nadal does.
     
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  16. dozu

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    already explained that before.. this partner hits mostly slices, but not with enough control, so neither he or I know how the ball will come off the racket with how much spin.. plus there was 10mph wind in my face and I just rolled out of my bed, after mentally burned out on my golf simulator the previous night.

    fair critique, but against a slice that you DONT know if it will skid or check up, you have to play for both scenarios.

    some day I will shoot one with a more consistent partner... believe me, it's impossible to look good if partner gives you random balls.
     
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  17. dlesser13

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    Uhhhh, It's pretty easy to read a slice, there are tell tale patterns of the ball coming off the racket and while the ball is in flight to know if it's going to bite or sit up.
     
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  18. dozu

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    I have no problem timing slices from someone with better technique.

    this partner still has choppy motion plus wrist flipping thru impact, 50% of the time the ball flight and spin does not match his body language.

    come have a try and you will know what it's like.
     
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  19. Jonny S&V

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    Umm, it's REALLY easy to figure out if it will skid or if it will check up.

    With good footwork it isn't hard at all.
     
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  20. dozu

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    me speechless now.

    by the way - this thread so far has achieved half of it's goal - your viewing pleasure.

    the other half was to encourage more videos - which I have not seen from you all armchair coaches.

    do something about it, guys.

    oh... 1 more thing - do not edit to remove crappy shots, and do not add any heart pumping music.... and let's see how you look on video.

    this is not a challenge.... it's an encouragement rather.
     
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  21. Power Player

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    Johnny S&V posted a vid before I want to think. If I remember he was rocking a nice serve on an indoor court, but I could be wrong. I booze sometimes on the weekends.
     
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  22. GRANITECHIEF

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  23. dozu

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    too much hitting off the back foot.
     
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  24. only4theweak187

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    haha well played sir :)
     
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  25. dozu

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    well, finally my turn to be the armchair critique...

    just kidding, GRANITECHIEF good clip.

    tomorrow morning wind will be from the North, so I will be able to shoot from the South... will bring a better camera.
     
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  27. Djokovicfan4life

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    Well, that's the double edged sword of video posting. You're going to get criticised, whether you like it or not. Just like when you went off about J011y not swinging the human racquet when he wasn't looking for any advice whatsoever.


    Love the serve, GraniteChief.
     
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  28. LeeD

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    Wow, can two 3.5's have WORSE serves? Tall guy needs to tighten up and control his length.
    Short guy can play defensive baselining pretty well, but has a 3.0 or worse serve....and is shellshocked by TallGuys height and power.
     
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  29. dozu

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    ^^

    I officially announce that this thread will start to be interesting from post #28
     
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  30. Djokovicfan4life

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    The tall guy has a nice serve---- way better than 3.5. I'm guessing this guy is a high 4.0, or a 4.5. Or, maybe he doesn't have a rating and actually plays for fun. Frightening thought, I know.
     
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  31. arche3

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    People here are all crazy. :)
     
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  32. LeeD

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    Yes, as is, tall guy has a strong 4.0 serve, but super inconsistent and prone to complete trainwreck breakdowns because his length causes inconsistency and he never reigns in his length, like Isner, Karlovic, Querry, Ivanisivic. Tall guy also hits some returns so far out of reality it keeps him playing 3.5.
    Short guy needs a womans 4.0 serve, and will improve his ratings. Currently, he serves like a 3.5 woman, or 3/4 level lower man. Other than shellshocked, he's a solid 3.5.
     
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  33. Avles

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    A google search indicates that GRANITECHIEF is a 5.0.

    I think there should be some sort of TT filter that automatically deletes every LeeD post containing two digits separated by a decimal point.
     
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  34. Djokovicfan4life

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    Seconded. Give it up Lee, rating just isn't your thing. Or perhaps take your meds and try again tomorrow?
     
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  35. LeeD

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    Are you saying tall guy or short guy actually IS a 5.0?
    BE SERIOUS. A 5.0 is a singles player in Div11 or 111. As such, both those guys would barely get a breadstick to any real 5.0.
    You guys are nuts! By your ratings, that thread on "my bud says he's 4.5" guy is much better than 5.0, as that guy would smoke these two hacks.
     
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  36. only4theweak187

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    just a couple of adults playing a couple sets who cares how they play
     
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  37. chico9166

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    Wrong again.
     
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  38. LeeD

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    Chico, YOU might think short guys serve is spot on technique, but then you might think your 65 mph first serve is really fast.
    Tall guy can serve big time, for sure. But his length requires him at his level to reign in on the length of motion. He misses by a mile due to inconsistency thru his long, extended motion. As he gets better, he can lengthen his motion to where he is now, but most big guys still used stunted motions to give them control....power they have due to long leverage.
    Pretty easy to tell their skill levels. Look how far they miss by.
     
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  39. arche3

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    tall and shorter guy looks good. I "might" look better technically in a match but these guys will probably beat me.
     
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  40. GRANITECHIEF

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    Thirded, somebody is trippin. HAHA, i knew this would be a kick.

    The thing that i found interesting in making this video, and other matches, is that you can get a set to fit in a 6.5 min. time frame or a match into a 10 min frame (as in the case of Kauai Tennis, which can be found on youtube under my username and is against a D1 guy.)

    Also, anybody is welcome to do some stats on the set.
    Can i get an estimate on the ace serve speed on the set/last point? Thx!
     
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  41. chico9166

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    Pretty sure as a former ranked major college player, I can get it up over 55. Not that I really care, as I'm much more concerned about my retirement, health care cost, etc. etc. Anyway, even YOU should be able to tell the big guy is not a 3.5. But by all means, carry on with your rant.
     
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  42. dozu

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    Lee needs to unlearn the rating stuff and start over.

    I can see GRANITE being a 5.0, although that backhand will be under heavy duty attack if I were to play him, that is, if he doesn't kill me with the serve first.

    on the other hand, all D1's are not created equal... although I was not particularly impressed by the tennis, the setting certainly can have a run for the 'most exotic court' thread.

    by the way, did I say it was gonna get good starting from post #28
     
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  43. Passion4Tennis

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    Both guys are skilled players, but the taller guy was superior. He served well, was solid enough off the ground, and had good hands up at net. Yes, he missed a few return of serves that he probably shouldn't have, but his overall play was impressive.

    I've played against dozens of people that play USTA league tennis between 3.5-4.5, and the taller guy fits in with the 4.5 crowd. There is no question about it.
     
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  44. Djokovicfan4life

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    Yeah, that was one hell of a prediction there. If you want a challenge, predict which thread won't be derailed by Lee.
     
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    So is it true that you're a 5.0 player as one poster said? I was going to guess 4.5 or so, but I wouldn't be shocked by 5.0.
     
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    I tried to play in a 4.5 league but was denied and appealed but was again denied. But now i'm just a desk jocky with a family that plays for fun a couple times a week so these rating thingys don't mean much to me.

    When i play tourneys, i play open.
     
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  47. only4theweak187

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    good to see someone that doesnt go ape **** over stupid numbers

    and actually enjoys tennis
     
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  48. Fuji

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    Tall guys serve was pretty great! I enjoyed watching it, I just like watching tennis in general though. The shorter guys backhand was the only thing that was a bit off for me, he was really popping it up a lot for situations that weren't exactly great imo. Other then that it was really fun to watch, I enjoyed it! :)

    -Fuji
     
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    I would have guessed high 4.5-5.0 for tall guy, 4.5 for short guy. It's hard to tell exactly how good someone is in a lopsided set.
     
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  50. Avles

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    Personally watching the fallout from LeeD's crazy ratings has gotten old for me. But I guess threads like this might help newer posters know whose comments to ignore.

    When it's not cast as a critique or mixed in with self-absorbed reminiscing, LeeD's advice often seems pretty helpful and responsive to me. Too bad that's like 2% of his output...
     
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