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  1. GRANITECHIEF

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  2. tlm

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    Sorry dozu but i cant tell much from that video you posted, i am surprised you would not wait until you made a better one. But i think i did see enough to know that you would have no chance with granitechief.
     
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    why wait for a 'better one' while the as-is already made this thread a success.

    regarding the 'no chance'... how much would you like to wager? by definition of 'no chance', you'd take an astronomical odds in granitechief's favor, and still win your bet, right?

    let me know and we'll set up an escrow account.

    exactly.... next time think twice before making such a statement.

    by the way.... I have beat a former D1 guy 200 times in a row... do you wonna set up another escrow bet on if that is true or not?
     
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    GraniteChief...
    You posted the Kaui vid before and I thought you guys hit really good and I think I said..4.5.
    But that other vid, the balls were going everywhere and not even close on the misses. Now you say it's LakeTahoe tennis at 6,000 feet.
    Well, you gotta consider the settings, when you post vids. Kaui, hot, humid, ugly for running, making players lazy and mishit.
    6,000 feet, the ball does just strange things, breathing is affected, energy is affected, and bounces can go to pot.
    But you gotta admit, both vids, both players are really inconsistent, misses by miles, not the stuff of Open tennis.
     
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    "I can see GRANITE being a 5.0, although that backhand will be under heavy duty attack if I were to play him" hahaha dozu u crack me up with ur outrageous comments, pls watch granite┬Ęs vids a few more times, that is tennis, what ur doing is not tennis. And ur defense of ur falling back, back foot shots....lolol....what nadal is doing is not what ur doin....lol...lets see some unedited vid of u playing points against a decent player...i really want some viewing pleasure :)
     
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    ^^^ continued success of this thread, has far exceeded my expectation when I put this up in the morning

    (was intended as a morning coffee for my bud arche3, and I had no idea it could develop into this lol).

    actually... peoplespeace, my friend, what you fail to see, when you compare videos, is the 'spray angle' of a player, in terms of directional and depth control, in static and moving situations.... my swing is very unorthodox, especially the FH...

    part of it is my fault, a phone camera sitting on the ground has its limitations. I am getting a tripod, so hopefully the view angles will be better.

    It's not easy to find somebody who's willing to be video'ed... so although my partner is a bit of a scatter gun, I still gotta give credit for his help.

    although LeeD's is off a lot with the rating thing, but his comments about 'missing by mile' is not without merit.

    I am willing to open another escrow, with a video against heavy pace, to show that I simply dont miss like that.

    there is no style points in tennis... the ball doesn't know how you swing... it only knows how the impact is made.
     
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    u guys only listen to the voices in ur own heads, didnt u hear he said he was playing in plus 6000 ft above sea level, have u played in that hight, dont think so, i have (in Johannesburg) and it is a completely different deal, especially ur floaters would go out by miles, that is if u have the ability to hit a ball with pace, i have my doubts.

    Re ur friend, dont get me wrong, didnt want to put him down, i do think that he plays at ur level.
     
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    and instead of only looking for succes on the www try to combine it with some succes on the court as well....just tired of ur excuses and pesudoexplanations....according to u tennis is so so easy and within all of ur many limitations u basically play as perfect as humanly possible and in ur advices u make is sound so so easy....stop talking and start showing just a little bit of skill...cus i certainly cant see it.
     
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    ^^ you said all this stuff... I never said anything like that.

    so, it's in YOUR head, not mine.

    And I was talking about either videos, and balls are indeed going everywhere like Lee was saying, regardless of altitude.

    my video quality aint good... I am trying... but just count how often I miss.
     
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    How old was the d1 guy 78? You talk a big game lets see a video that doesn't look like it is a 8 mm from 1960. Who said anything about odds? I said from what i could see you would not have a chance against granitechief.

    Post a video of you playing a good player, one that we can actually see. I will give a honest opinion if you are that good i will be the first to say it. Next time think twice about posting a video that can hardly be seen. Then comparing it against a nicely shot video of a good player that everyone could see.

    By the way you can actually ask why wait for a better one? This is the worst shot tennis vid i have ever seen, it is very hard to tell anything from it, so maybe i shouldn't have commented on your ability by this vid. Or don't you want everyone to see you in a vid we can see against a good player?
     
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    young enough to be playing the best tennis this player has ever played.... you didn't say odds... I said it, base on your 'no chance' comment... 'no chance' means a sure bet against me, therefore you can wager on any odds and still win the bet...... no? why turn down free money? it's like pick it up from the side walk.

    and now people are complaining about poor video quality... complaints from faceless guys... what irony.
     
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    as stated - it had 2 purposes

    1) your viewing pleasure.... so mission half accomplished, some got a kick out of it, some dont (including yourself).. so no harm no foul

    2) encouraging videos from others... mission accomplished with Granitechief.
     
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    You do know that the current #23 has a 55% 1st serve percentage, and against Murray (If I am not mistaken) he had ~37% 1st serve percentage or something ridiculously low like that, not that exactly.

    just because a serve isn't 90% doesn't mean it isn't good...
     
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    How in the world could they not complain about the video quality? Like i said show us a better vid against a better player.
     
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    Manus, yes I DO know. I have posted many times, more times than you'd care to remember, that my first flat serving percentage can be as low as 30%, and it doesn't bother me one bit. But my misses are not by 10', or into the middle of the net, or wide by 3'. My misses are much closer!
    But I should understand GC is playing in Tahoe, a tough enviorment for anyone, and against a weak hitting but very consistent pusher to boot.
    GC would probably beat me now, but given the intricacies of the game, who really knows? He's playing A/Open, but how successfully? I played A/Opens about 35 years ago, and did lose in the first round 4 times. But also went more than 3 rounds at least 10 times.
     
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    gee, didn't I say I am working on it? had to spend $0.99 plus $2.75 shipping to get a tripod this morning...

    that is out of my $3000/year income.

    you guys are just doing the lip service... who's gonna reimburse me ?

    Have to go to bed to rest up now... don't want to be too tired tomorrow morning, and end up getting more complaints on the next video.
     
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    Never underestimate super consistent players who can run all day long.

    I have to say though... if dozu is a true 4.5 he shouldn't be beating a former D1 player. When I hear D1 I think 5.5 or above. But hey what do I know...
     
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    doesn't seem like it though.

    Maybe try being a teensy less crotchety ;) lol
     
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    I posted my assessment without reading the "TAHOE CITY" title.
    When GChief posted a vid of Kaui, I said they were good players, probably in the 4.5 range, but inconsistent as all heck. Kaui normally is 82 degrees with 80% humidity. Not my kind of weather, but some like it.
    For me, that kind of weather is one hit tennis.
     
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    ok.. here is my non-joking assessment, since photoshop is my bud... and I have to make this claim because it's hard to decipher joke vs. non-joke on a board like this.

    all D1s are not created equal... there is a media bias here (we all see the big D1s on youtoob). if you get a list of all D1 schools, you will see a bunch of weaklings.

    so part of the reason of such lopsided result, is indeed this... the player was not from a big school... I do have another partner who is big school D1, and just my honest assessment, has better techniques in serves/volleys/groundies than GraniteChief, but probably lacking in the movement/fitness department.

    Also, I'd be kidding myself if I say I can go 200-0 against any weak D1...

    match up is a big thing... and I consider myself quite technically savvy, and I can see swing flaws from half mile away.

    and sometimes in a head to head match up, 1 or 2 major swing flaw (which is not uncommon, even in D1s), is all you need to milk all day long... and there is also a 'get under the skin' factor also.... once you go 0-50 against somebody, it's very hard to believe you will ever win... and we all know tennis is such a psychological game.

    and take that D1 fella who played against Granite in his video...

    honestly, that is even worse than the D1 guy I beat... that kind of wild misses, is indication of major flaws that can not be easily overcome, even with frequent practice.
     
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    Dozu, it's great that you enjoy posting videos, although this one was mediocre at best. I mean, you run off camera most of the time, come on now, of course people are going to have a problem with that. And just because you post videos doesn't mean you've earned the right to act high and mighty to people who don't. This is America, if someone doesn't want to post a video, or more likely doesn't bother with pleasing a bunch of random people on the internet, you can't bully them into it.
     
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    Hey dozu, I made that post in a hurry before I had to leave. I was not saying that you lied about having beaten a D1 player, nor was I insinuating that you aren't good enough to beat one.

    I am well aware that there are weak D1 schools out there and I know the level can vary anywhere from 4.5 to 7.0. It's just that when someone makes a claim that they can beat a D1 player, first few schools that pop into my head are Stanford, UCLA, USC, Georgia, etc. and I'm sure that's the case with many people. (and having attended two of the biggest schools in the country, I guess I tend to put D1 players on a pedestal... b/c for me D1 players = Isner, Levine, Ouellette). Anyway, you can see where possible misunderstandings could arise.

    Agreed on the match up thing. Tennis is all about match ups. I can see you frustrate the heck out of impatient players with visible weakness.

    People really underestimate the importance of consistent strokes. They see 100+ mph serves & flat forehands like in Granite's video and immediately jump to conclusion that he'd smoke someone like you who may not have the prettiest/strongest/flattest strokes. I'm in no way saying that Granite is all about serve and forehand... he could beat dozu 0 & 0 for all I care. The point I'm trying to make is people shouldn't assume power = high level, or better yet, weak but consistent = beginner. I mean, just look at this thread... "no chance with granitechief", "what ur doing is not tennis" (my favorite!!! I get that all the time from butthurt losers LOL), "start showing just a little bit of skill...cus i certainly cant see it" (like totally man, hard/flat shots take skills and loopy/consistent shots don't. LOL)

    tlm & peoplespeace, I have seen dozu play in person. He's one of those players that make you wonder, "how the heck is every shot coming back?!" If Granite is a 5.0 I'd say dozu could put up competitive scores or *surprise* might even win *surprise*.

    P.S. Your video sucks nevertheless.
     
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    @D4L - fully understood

    @photoshop - thx for the very rational comment.... never came thru my mind that you thot I was lying :)
     
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    Sooo... this is getting interesting. Dozu is a semi pusher eh? Very interesting :)

     
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    and here is my serve

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kpelRORbGk

    just a preview rather, because Lee will say I serve like a woman anyway, so what's the difference.

    When I get a tripod, will put up something more pleasurable to the eyes.
     
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    you will know when we do the duel to the death.

    [claiming non-joke, since you are my bud also].

    I don't play leagues and sh1t, so the style is very much geared towards beating a few regulars and getting a good work out.

    for beating the regulars - the style would be 'pushing into swing flaw'..... and my shot pattern is perfect for that. people who have habit of arming the ball, actually prefers flat shots to the mid section.... and hate my high loopers... that arm is usually dead after 20 minutes.... such player who doesn't relax the arm enough, usually also have trouble digging up skidding slices, short or deep.... so among the regulars, nobody has figured out both my fh and bh yet.... that's why my progress has really been stagnant in last couple of years, because a lazy guy like me usually takes the path of least resistance.. and since this style always wins, this is how I play.

    for getting a good work out - I tend to cut down on net approaches, so points last longer..

    so these 2 factors gravitates towards a baseline rope a dope type of style.

    So hypothetically, what if I run into stronger player... I ponder this sometimes.. I have no legs/core strength to fire big groundies to put people away, will prolly have to dust off my net game, as years ago I do play the net a lot....

    technically my bh volley is sound, fh volley is iffy.... but the biggest area of rust is really movement and anticipation..... nowadays when I go to the net, my brain draws a blank.... while years ago when I approach often, I can read passes a lot better.

    I am sure the skill will come back, if I am forced out of the baseline comfort zone and have to play the net more against better players.

    From the videos, you can see I still hit approach shots very well, hopping forward with either the front or back foot, and there is plenty of juice on the ball.
     
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    whatever dozu is doing downthere by the anckles to a very slow paced incoming ball, however consistantly, i dont consider tennis and when u combine that with his "i know all, tennis so so easy, at least to me, just do what i tell u here"- attitude u have a very annoying cocktail to me.

    I would meaningless for me to not comment what i see and read just because u say that u have seen him play and that he can annoy good players. I dont believe for one second that he is a 4.5 player.
     
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    I've hit with Dozu once. He doesn't play USTA, so it's hard to look up a match record, but just from hitting (we didn't play any games since there was still ice on the court, LOL), it's not unreasonable to think that he could compete at 4.5. I tried to recruit him for my 4.0 team since I think he would be a good 4.0 player, but, alas, USTA is just not his thing.
     
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    my friend... you said this... I never said anything like that.

    see we can chalk it up to the limitation of a forum like this... because you can't see my facial expression, or the voice tone (if I were to verbally say what I type), when I put this stuff up...

    so you made associations in your mind, which is not true.

    and Granite's description of himself being a desk jockey who's got a family and not giving a rats ass about rating... that would describe myself quite well too.
     
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    Exactly right he may not be a 4.5 player but he is a legend in his own mind.
     
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    You say he would be a good 4.0 player, but yet he can beat div.1 players. Any good div.1 players i have seen are usually sandbagging if they are not playing 5.0.
     
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    ok, gotta switching the topic a bit, as the thread is becoming a small p1ssing contest..

    if my video is 2.5, then this is -2.5, a better job making people throw up, than the one put up by 2ndServe the other day.
     
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    I'm not sure who that was a reference to, but he's not a troll, so I doubt that he is making anything up.
     
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    I'm sorry, but as much as I can disagree with peoplespeace, I have to agree with him here. You come off as being able to magically and instantly be able to fix people's games with your "magic pill." To this, I say you haven't either A) Coached/taught tennis enough AND/OR B) Coached/taught tennis at all. I like the zeal that you have for your "pill," but what you're trying to teach is mostly something that is going to be natural or difficult to achieve through artificial means. There are many professional players who are exceptions to your "pill," which is why I say that you just need to cool it. No one likes ideas to be shoved down their throats.
     
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    Wait a minute (and I apoligize in advance if I'm taking this post the wrong way), now you take a stab at the rating of every poster who actually does post a video? Where's the motivation?
     
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    @Johnny - on the pill thing.

    I think most of the times when I give out the pill, is when the recipient has not indicated that he's already working with a coach... because in person analysis trumps some suspect advice over the internet.

    however, if somebody is indeed not working with a coach, and is doing the 'trial and error' tennis, that's when the pill can help some, but not all.

    shoved-down-the-throat would be an interpretation.... gee what am I gonna do if somebody doesn't take it?
     
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    was referring to the camera work, not the tennis.
     
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    As usual Jonny S&V is right on the money.
     
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    I'll hop on this bandwagon too.
     
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    I think some of the "know-it-all" image that Dozu has acquired is due to his analysis of his own technique. Several times I've seen poster point out legitimate issues with his strokes, only to have Dozu dismiss them based on some unique bodily issue or stroke technique. It CAN come off, as someone said, like Dozu is saying his strokes are perfect and any flaw has a carefully designed purpose.

    However, I think most of the times he has said things like that were when his legitimacy as a player was being questioned. Very few people would not defend themselves when their play was being critiqued.
     
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    Hunter I am impressed by you cool headed analysis :)

    I think in this video I did hit 1 FH that looks like a 'modern' FH... but it just felt awful... if you youtoob some pingpong clips, you can find some common features between ping pong and my tennis fh.

    Hey maybe I should post a video of my ping pong game... I know Power Player will get some pleasure out of it.
     
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    I play spoon style sometimes in ping pong because I am a true pro at it. :)
     
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    what is spoon style? you mean pen-hold (instead of hand shake hold) ?

    I am a pen-hold
     
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    yes pen hold. but spoon is the way I was taught at Shaolin by the monks. its very similar with one secret difference. :)
     
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    now 1 more reason you gotta come to my garage... the table is right next to the golf simulator.
     
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    Exactly the case when i tell him his strokes are hit off the backfoot. I don't care how consistent you are.. i can take any ball you will throw at me and never miss too, and actually hit authorative balls and change up everything about my game mid point. I'm not a one-sided player who doesn't have an arsenal of options to go to...


    *Sorry in advance for so much typing about to go down...

    Many kids my age are topspin-crazy nadal wannabes. Or kids who only rely on brute force to try to blast winners on every point and moonball like hell.

    Ever since my dad took me to play at the club when i was 5i was taught to take the ball early AND create my own pace. And to be smart, know when to pull the trigger and how to attack peoples' weaknesses.

    Maybe because I'm 19 so I'm young and don't get tired as the normal rec/club player and i've been lifting seriously 2 years straight. I'm strong and fit as hell and have great stamina when needed. Luckily when i get older i'll still be able to take the ball early and stand right on the baseline and not have to move a lot.

    I remember my dad putting on US Open matches in the summer when i was a toddler up until about middle-school... I would watch Andre stand right smack-dab in the middle of the court, and just move people around. Aesthetically to me, a small child...I was able to easily follow that and be drawn to that type of play.

    Taking the ball on the rise is completely natural to me, absorbing pace is no problem until i play dudes that are like 5.5 and higher..

    Creating pace is easy as hell as well against kids and club players...it's fun

    I don't see how some people have problem with doing either at the club level...where most of us are playing all different types of players with different capabilities.. we're not playing pros' guys..

    But dozu i'm not attacking your play nor your intelligence of the game.

    I'm simply talking of what i see from the video, I don't see anyway your strokes could be a threat to me is all i'm saying.

    Sorry for the 30 page essay i just wanted to clear up and explain exactly what i was saying

    P.S I'll also have vids of myself in July :) and will share on here ASAP
     
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    Dozu, TT vid is always appreciated by me!
     
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    @only4theweak187 - "I'm simply talking of what i see from the video, I don't see anyway your strokes could be a threat to me is all i'm saying."

    hm, let me think - should I go with the escrow account option? nah, it's getting old.

    so let me switch to the non-joking mode again - you are right, nothing in the video spells penetrating groundies... I can't hurt people from the baseline... I can only grind into people's swing flaws..

    A well-trained, technically sound player, will not be afraid of my ground game.... so there is plan B, the net rush... if plan B doesn't work, I surrender... simple as that.

    But at the rec level, such players are hard to come by.... e.g. on this board, other than the few elites, most guys who have posted videos are decorated with swing flaws I can see and grind into.

    I have indicated, that these days I am working hard to get my partners' levels up, because short of playing leagues and stuff, it's getting more and more difficult to find on-par challenge. (at this stage, I've got bigger fish to fry, than to play some lousy leagues just find better players).

    I wonder if anybody reading this is within driving distance... but if any1 can come and give me a whipping, I will buy you a van and pay for the gas.
     
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    my golf/TT buddy went AWOL.... will catch him tomorrow, and shoot one for TT, one for golf :)
     

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