Forecast says Rain, Roof will be closed. Nighty Night Murray

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  1. 90's Clay

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    NO CHANCE Murray can win with the roof closed.. It will be target practice for the aggressor here. Murray wants to hug the baseline all game and is afraid to even attack the net.. Something he will desperately need to do with a closed roof
     
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    Don't worry man, Murray will try his best to save Pete's legacy :).

    Seriously, Murray can play pretty well indoors, I'm not convinced he likes slower conditions at all, his breakthrough tournament was in 2008 Cincy which is one of the fastest tournaments on tour.
     
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    The only weakness Federer has is his movement with his bad back, I really don't see how a defensive player like Murray can exploit that weakness and I think Federer will win.
     
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    I don't think Fed/Murray are concern about the roof, but their preparation for the match. For Fed, he wants to make sure that his back doesn't bother him. The way it's been played out throughout this tourney, closing the roof would be more favorable to Murray since the crowd can give Murray a boost of energy.
     
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    OP: Did you happen to catch the indoor Asian swing the past few years? Murray won back to back in Shanghai with straight sets over Federer and Ferrer and 2011 in Tokyo he demolished Nadal in the final with a bagal third set (also won in Valencia, Thailand)

    Murray is an indoor killer man. This shouldn't be viewed as a negative in my opinion.
     
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  7. syc23

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    It's just Nadal who doesn't like indoors.
     
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  8. jaggy

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    The Scottish hate the rain
     
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  9. BreakPoint

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    Murray beat Federer indoors at the 2008 WTF in Shanghai.
     
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    Roof open or closed Murray has never beaten Federer in a best of 5 match so doesn't matter.
     
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  11. flyinghippos101

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    Roof was open in Japan
     
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  12. MG1

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    and if you are talking about shanghai 2010 then it was also outdoors in best of 3.
     
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  13. Mainad

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    Federer and Murray are 2-2 in indoor matches, all played on hard court.

    Federer beat Murray at 2009 & 2010 WTF (O2,London).
    Murray beat Federer at 2008 Madrid (then indoor HC) and 2008 WTF (Shanghai).

    All their 15 previous matches have been played on hard court. Amazingly, tomorrow will be their first ever encounter on grass!
     
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  14. nhat8121

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    how many winners did murray hit on tsonga? how many did fed hit on djokovic?
     
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  15. JustBob

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    Closed roof favors Fed because the court tends to be a tad more slippery and lower bouncing. You could clearly see that the conditions affected Djokovic's movement. So these conditions favor Fed over all of Djokovic, Nadal and Murray.
     
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  16. Defcon

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    The roof makes absolutely no difference, both are good enough to adapt to any conditions. It will come down to execution as it always does.
     
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  17. JustBob

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    Of course it makes a difference. Did you not see Djokovic slipping and struggling with his footing? The conditions created by the closed roof are detrimental to retrievers/grinders chasing balls down. They definitely favor a more "first strike" attacking style of play.
     
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  18. kaku

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    Murray: 40 winners 12 UFE
    Fed: 31 winners 10 UFE
     
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    Agree, this will give roger a bit of an advantage but andy plays aggressive baseline game with big serves so it won't matter as much as people think it might.
     
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    That's the point, there have been complaints that when the roof is closed the ball is much heavier/slower.
     
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    Murray will either lose the match extremely meekly, or blow a big lead.

    Either way, it is unfathomable that Federer loses this match.
     
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    tank, just watch roger's matches and see how badly he is moving and how much he is mindful of his back. He is Toast, and that back is gonna give out as time.
     
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    So? Murray has plenty of practice playing indoors on grass.
    These pre-mature threads one way or the other are so nonsensical.
     
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    Hmmm, I think either could win or lose regardless but it might help Federer a wee bit if he brings his A-game and wants to maintain it throughout a long match.
     
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  25. Defcon

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    As was pointed out, Murray has great results indoors and is actually playing a lot less of a pusher game than he does normally. The roof will help his serve. He's not Nadal who keeps getting pushed back as the point goes on, so I don't think the roof will be a factor.
     
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  26. tlm

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    Wow i wonder how many times that murray actually hit more winners than fed did, this has to be one of the few.
     
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  27. tlm

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    First time i ever heard that indoor was slower.
     
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  28. mandy01

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    Good. So you know now.
     
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  29. Murrayfan31

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    Indoors are faster. Court gets greasy and skids more.
     
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  30. Bartelby

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    A roof is like a large umbrella for a Brit, so a sure omen for Murray.
     
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  31. Bartelby

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    It's certainly warmer and more humid with the roof closed so the ball might play slower if not the court.



     
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  32. Bartelby

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    The roof might make the ball slower in the air, but faster (or skid lower) off the surface.
     
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  33. Murrayfan31

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    Watch the matches. It's an ace fest indoors. So hard to break.
     
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  34. Bartelby

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    Aces might be due to the ball going where it should rather than the breeze taking it elsewhere.
     
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  35. Murrayfan31

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    It's like ping pong in there. Wind isn't that big of a factor usually.
     
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