Forehand Consistency.

Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by Kana Himezaki, Jun 10, 2005.

  1. Bungalo Bill

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    I know, mine does too, it was like I am feeding pearls to swine. LOL
     
  2. Bungalo Bill

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    Finally someone with some sense here! Perfect!
     
  3. TwistServe

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    Glad you found this small "edit"... I've been seeng many small edits throughout the posts .. first its "essential'.. .oh wait its not essential, do whats comfortable.. oh wait its actually only a teaching tool.. I was right all along, yes.

    Apparently every time something is "repeated", it gets changed slightly.
     
  4. Thereallovebone

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    I accept your challenge Bunagolw Bill!!!!!! $500.00 cash!!!

    1st thing, I want an absolutely surefire way to make sure that your elbow
    stays no more than a ball and a half away from your body. How can we do this?? Let me know how we can do this and YOU'RE ON!!!! I'm getting sick
    of your putdowns.
     
  5. phidias barrios

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    So what's happening with this $500 challenge? I live in SoCal and would love to watch it. But it sounds like "Love Bone" is starting to have doubts.

    Phidias.
     
  6. Thereallovebone

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    I have NO DOUBTS. I have accepted his challenge on his terms.
     
  7. phidias barrios

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    What's up with all the restrictions? Just play. If you lose you lose.

    Phidias.
     
  8. Bungalo Bill

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    LOL, so you want to restrict my arm from taking it too you? Do you live in California?

    Again you are missing the point. The ball under the arm pit is not something to play a match with, it is to help someone solve elbow roll and an extended arm problem at contact.

    Are you that dense? Please tell me that you are not that stupid of a person.

    I will hit my forehand. I will use the technical forehand that I know how to hit with, teach, and have played with for years.. It supports an elbow that PASSES close to the body. But it certainly doesnt mean I go out a dn measure every single ball like a nit wit. The movement of my arm cant be hindered as that is also part of a good technical stroke.

    Read the links I provided and learn what that means. No restrictions chump, just hit the ball.

    DO YOU LIVE IN CALIFORNIA? DO YOU LIVE IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. Also quit acting like a dork.
     
  9. Thanatos

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    I'll put my money on BB.
     
  10. Jonnyf

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    my money goes on BB

    (go on gee's some of that $500 lol)
     
  11. Thereallovebone

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    Kana made a post that said it was important to keep your elbow close on the
    backswing. I pointed out that more power could be generated by raising the elbow on the backswing rather than keeping it at her side. She then posted that she didn't mean to say to keep it close on the backswing and thanked me
    for pointing out her mistake.

    That should have been the whole substance of this post. All this other crap is a complete waste of time. I thought this was a forum where you could come and post your opinion without being insulted. I guess I was wrong.

    Good luck Kana. My original post was meant only to improve your lesson, that's all. I hope it helped.

    Thanks, I'm out of here for good.
     
  12. Return_Ace

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    YES HE'S GONE................PAAAAARRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTYYYYYYYYYYY :D WHHOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Anyway, BB it looks like you've won :) Well done.........
     
  13. Grimjack

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    I couldn't agree more, though I can't for the life of me understand why you don't see that you're the one cultivating all of it.

    Hope you find happiness out there someplace, though. Peace.
     
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    AS long as you don't feel i insulted you then i shall say please don't leave but if you feel that i hate you then until you're not mad at me then c ya l8r
     
  15. Jonnyf

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    i know you're jokin but that's shady for him
     
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    HEHE, BB's tennis equivalent to "YO BUDDY, LET'S SETTLE THIS OUTSIDE WITH OUR FISTS" worked!

    Some people on the internet can inflate themselves with so much BS that they can't provide in real life.
     
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    ooh well if BB said " Lets settle this outside" to me i'd say "can we go back inside" and absolutely BOLT IT
     
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    Is that supposed to be "WITHOUT" or "WITH OUR"?.

    Hahaha Jonny you (young cat), where you gonna go inside? best bet is Outside :)
     
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    i would BOLT AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE
     
  20. Bungalo Bill

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    I feel sorry for the guy. He was the type of player that refused to be taught anything. He probably had a lot of talent and at one time a desire to learn. Too bad.
     
  21. ShooterMcMarco

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    so bb, can the tennis ball under armpit method be used for a 1hbh too? or is that an entirely different animal
     
  22. Bungalo Bill

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    The onehanded backhand usually does not have an issue with "gate" like swinging or elbow rolling. The problem usually with the onehanded backhand is leading the swing with the elbow and making contact with the racquet on an angle like this / The elbow is a bit ahead of the hand/racquet when contact is made and impacts the elbow area tremendously. In other words, it is a recipe for severe tennis elbow.

    For the onehander many times people dont hit far enough away from the body and get jammed.

    The twohanded is usually not a problem because the other arm helps bring in the elbows. The twohanded backhand is hit a bit closer to the body then the onehander.

    Usually it is to correct a problem with the forehand.
     
  23. pharper

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    Sorry to bring this back from the dead, but all I can say is: "thereallovebone, what an idiot".
     
  24. Janne

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    Good thing you brought it back since I´m a fairly new member and havent had the chance to read this amazing post until now! ;)
     
  25. Nikae

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    This post helped my forehand so much!

    Keeping the elbow close to the rib cage is the best foehand tip I heard thus far. It improved my control a lot.

    What are some pros that keep the elbow close to the body? I'm guesing Agassi, Gulbis, Monfils? Who else?
     
  26. user92626

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    Nadal keeps elbow close to body in his backswing. Other than that I see no other areas where a tuck-in elbow would help. I do not raise elbow like Roddick nor keep it in like Nadal.

    Keeping the palm down and keeping everything comfortable and simple is key for me.
     
  27. Bungalo Bill

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    Not really. It is for the forehand side mainly for the reason of people swinging like a gate.

    However, the elbow in and the tennis ball is just a drill to bring the elbow in not cement it there. That is what Love didn't understand. Of course, the elbow area needs room to move, extend, and basically work.

    The tennis ball is to provide the player with a relative position and to get the feel of how the elbow works in the swing. It is not to cement it there or make it immovable or inflexible.

    The elbow goes back, down, forward and moves in front of the body plan at contact.
     
  28. user92626

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    bb, what does "swinging like a gate" mean?
     
  29. LeeD

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    Gate...
    Body motionless, swing from the arms as the pivot, no leg drive, no leg lift.
     
  30. user92626

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    Thanks, LeeD

    wow I just realize I've been here 2x longer than you but you've made 2x more posts than I. Interesting. :)
     
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    :)
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    When I started tennis, I played 6 days a week for the following 5 years.
    When I started kitesurfing, I went to the beach 250 days the first spring, summer, and fall. Like EVERY day.
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  32. Nikae

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    I am going to revive (once again) this old thread!

    So 2 years later, I still think "keeping the elbow close to the body" is the best tip ever, at least for me!

    Just take a look at Florent Serra forehand, its the best example by far!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szlco3TNjm4&hd=1
    From 7:10 min mark, you can take a closer look.

    Ferrero would be a good example also!
     
  33. 5263

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    That may be the case, but

    it may mainly be a symptom of another mistake; the most important thing for consistency- "being on balance" for your stroke.

    When you are off balance, it is often from poor position on the ball and can lead to reaching and extending. When you reach and extend off balance, the elbow will often fly out. Trying to fix the elbow may or may not work, since it is mostly a symptom. It may work by forcing you to improve your position on the ball.
    good post
     

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