Forehand "high elbow" takeback

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  1. ktncnttl

    ktncnttl Rookie

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    Have you noticed the high elbow takeback on the forehand side employed by players like Andy Roddick, Ancic and Monfil? They raise their elbows above their shoulders when they take back their racquets. That surely violates the egg under armpit rule. Nevertheless, Andy and Ancic have pretty big forehands (don't know about Monfil.) Any thought about that?
     
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  2. Rickson

    Rickson G.O.A.T.

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    Egg under armpit rule? That stupid elbow tucked in form is just a myth.
     
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  3. Thanatos

    Thanatos Semi-Pro

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    I've broken many eggs in my time.
     
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  4. Rickson

    Rickson G.O.A.T.

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    And I would have dropped them too.
     
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  5. ktncnttl

    ktncnttl Rookie

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    How about the tennis ball under armpit rule?
     
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  6. NoBadMojo

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    the egg under the armpit rule would only apply just before contact, during contact, and just after contact, and i think if you watched Fed, it may not apply to him at all. the takeaway is a very personal thing and can be just about anything reasonable...as long as you get the racquet on the correct path on the thru swing....professional golfers have a myriad of backswings including the very unorthodox, but they get the club in the slot when it comes time..similar thing here
     
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  7. Marius_Hancu

    Marius_Hancu G.O.A.T.

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    Right.
    As I mentioned in another thread:

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    Ferrero Forehand Analyzed
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=22111&page=4

    I needed to refresh my memory, thus I entered the tennisplayer.net and compared Federer and Ferrero.

    As Ferrero is much under the grip (even if Mr. Yandell contends it's not quite Western), his right elbow is much more bent than Federer's at contact and much closer to the body.

    This makes Federer hit the ball more laterally (wrt his body) than Ferrero. Fed "reaches out" more. I would content that this extra leverage it's an explanation for the extreme racket head speeds he's able to generate.

    I would approximate that at contact Fed's upper arm is bent wrt forearm by about 160-175 degrees at the elbow, while Ferrero reaches about 90 degrees sometimes.
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  8. Marius_Hancu

    Marius_Hancu G.O.A.T.

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    Nothing new here. Sampras was doing that.

    Check the pics and text for Sampras (click on his name in the list at the top) on this page (sorry, in French, but a remarkable site):

    http://www.chez.com/tennisrecherche/france.htm
     
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  9. Marius_Hancu

    Marius_Hancu G.O.A.T.

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    Also check my first posting in this thread:

    Roddick's Forehand and the Modern Forehand in General
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=44502

    which includes very useful opinions by Dudewaba in r.s.t. on the value of the Sampras's technique for us amateurs, basically:
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    I used to hit with the Sampras style, and it's FAR more economical and less
    tiring physically. I mean it's literally like night and day.
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    Check the arguments there.
     
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  10. grimmbomb21

    grimmbomb21 Professional

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    ugh, now you tell me:(

    I just started bringing my hitting elbow up on my forehands, which is by far my worst shot. But doing it made a huge difference in power and consistency. However, my coach said Roddick has an ugly forehand and now so do I. He prefers I use the "elbow tucked in" swing. He also wants me to use a closed stance on my forehand, but I still refuse. I feel like I'm out of position for the next shot every time. hmm...maybe I'm wasting my money.:confused:
     
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  11. TheRed

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    ummm, does your coach wear short white shorts and a vest when he plays? I can't be sure unless I see the exact strokes he's advocating but it seems like he's a bit stuck in the past about what a correct stroke is. Roddick's forehand is quite typical of the modern forehand.
     
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  12. Marius_Hancu

    Marius_Hancu G.O.A.T.

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    Check my posting on Fed and Ferrero in the above. ARod is quite similar to Ferrero in terms of grip, thus has similarity with him.
    Tell your coach Fed is tucking less his FH and if he doesn't believe that, show him the clips here:

    Federer's and Hewitt's FH (high-speed camera clip):
    http://www.araf72.dsl.pipex.com/1000FPS.mpg

    Ferrero Forehand Analyzed
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=22111
     
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  13. its just the way they hit. personally i think the high elbow takeback is pretty ugly
     
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  14. Mahboob Khan

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    Ever wonder as to why an object tossed into the atmosphere falls back to earth? Gravity? You got the answer! High elbow take-back in the backswing assures high backswing and from this height the racket falls down - forward, and into the hit, and up again. If you are simply going from low to high (the old method), you are working against the gravity!

    And by the way, egg-under-the-armpit assures that in the forward swing the elbow should not fly away from the body! For example, if someone is hitting his forehand with straight arm (straight elbow), you place a ball under his armpit which brings the elbow in closer to the body and also creates a bend in the arm. Obviously, in the follow-through this egg (or ball) will fall down! These are correctional tools that are better used by coaches! This is to correct certain technique flaw.
     
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  15. but if you are late with this technique it will cost you
     
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