Forehands Gone Wild (video)

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  1. Avles

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    Most obvious thing from first 30 secs, and it is an issue I have also, almost zero bend in the knees.

    You react to lower balls by dropping your upper body more than your lower one ;-)

    As to how to fix that.... conscious effort to load up on your right leg maybe by sinking fairly deeply into it? coaches can correct me there.
     
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  3. NLBwell

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    Get the contact point farther in front.
     
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    Your sweat pants kept falling.... And you were pretty much distracted by it.
     
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  5. millardus

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    I would say that your shot at 28/29 seconds illustrates best the zero dropping of the body and the late contact.
     
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  6. boramiNYC

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    your arm and torso don't seem to be well connected and coordinated. so a lot of arming or disconnected free swinging of arm. it's a big work to fix it. start by hold a ball in your armpit and drop feed a buncha low balls and see how it kinda feel to move the arm with torso. then you need to recondition muscles and nerves around shoulder and armpit.
     
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    To me, it looks like you're arming it too much. You're turning your hips and shoulders far too early and your arm too late.
     
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    as the infamous and now banned member, dozu, would say...too much swinging of the graphite racquet and not enough swinging of the human racquet
     
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    your fh doesn't 'breathe'.

    .contact should be a little more out in front definitely

    .elbow is too close to your torso. move it away from your body more.

    .sometimes weight transfer is good. majority of the time not. so work on that.

    .take back is too big. if you were taking monster swings everytime and were a full ratings point higher then maybe you could use that takeback. make it more compact. if you try this for a whole day you'll see the benefit. trust me.

    .i don't like the way your wrist is cocked during takeback. it should be neutral everywhere except towards the end of the forward swing and at contact. after that it should release. You actually have a loose wrist when you start the forward swing and i can see some ssc in there so that's good. So what's the purpose of an extended wrist before that? None. So you should lose it. If you are more relaxed in takeback you'll eliminate one potential break-down factor.

    .you're making contact at the same location so that's good. just too close. more out in front.

    . time for you to incorporate some left arm usage. it's almost dead right now. you should at least try to hold on to the racquet for a longer time. If you look at any atp pro they hold that racquet with both hands much longer than you do. helps with unit turn and tames those with huge takebacks (like you)

    swing path looks decent. would look better with elbow away from the body and contact more out in front.

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  10. Migelowsky

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    You are turning your shoulders on the preparation, but
    still hitting just with your arm. Relax and let your
    body start the kinetic chain so it can be transfer from
    legs ->trunk -> all the way to the tip of your racket head.

    Right now you look like a lefthander trying to play righthanded
    Good luck
     
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    just wear what syke's avatar is wearing and you're golden :)
     
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    lol omg the side view for me IMO is impossible to watch because your shoes look like flip flops

    if not flip flops, nice indoor soccer shoes lol

    Adidas samba?
     
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    Wow pretty unanimous opinions here. :) Thanks to all! As floppy as the fh looks now, it was about 10x worse when I started playing so i think it's slowly moving in the right direction... But these observations will definitely give me some things to focus on.

    Yep, those are sambas... I feel more comfortable in a smaller flatter shoe and at my level I'm not going to shell out for fancy gear...
     
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    Your form is good enough that you should have shoes that will minimize your chance of injury.
     
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    Gotta hit the ball further out in front.
     
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    You're not ready to take the next ball once you hit the ball, and its rushing on you, even though its a very slow pace. Youve got to get in your ready position early (split step) and anticipate, for a start.
     
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    all replies have been fairly constructive and consistent so far. however the first thing id address, and its pretty huge, is that you hit with an open stance (i.e you hit off the "back" foot. for a right hander thats the right foot). i understand many pros do this and they do this for a number of reasons but if you'd like to up the consistency, power, energy transfer from the legs and contact point of the ball you need to get that left leg leading. bring it to the front of your body and let it lead the way. as another member stated, get more knee bend and hit off a rock solid base. heres a nice little example of federer and sampras both hitting off the "front" foot

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  18. ATP100

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    All this information is nice, but, as usual, it is your footwork.
     
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  19. DavaiMarat

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYplyS9SRdg

    Start it about 1:20 out and that's when I start hitting forehands.

    1st of all, commendable to post a video up here. Feel free to ignore the *** hats and you occasionally get some good info in here. Posters such as Tennisballa, Systemic anomaly, Yandell, Ash_Smith etc, WilHamil will usually give you sound advice.

    You have a decent forehand don't anyone tell you otherwise but there are a few things you can do to make it better.

    The biggest problem is your hitting off your back foot. You're pivoting on the same foot your suppose to be loading on. While some call this a reverse pivot forehand it's only use in dire situations where you have to generate pace but don't have the proper time or spacing to do so. So you kick up the left foot to allow the hip to come around.

    Now look at my footwork when I hit a forehand. I start very much like you do loading on my right foot. However, as I push off my hips are coming forward while yours are going back. You rotating off the wrong foot. My right foot comes forward and and lands parallel to my left or slightly ahead. This means I've use hips to propel my upper body to create torque. If you rotate with the hips moving backwards like you seem to be doing in your video you getting very little hip drive and mostly arm.

    So how to fix this. There's a great little website called lockandrolltennis.com.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYplyS9SRdg

    There's a great little video tutorial on how to create the kinetic chain from the hip to the torso and into the arms. Note the torso and hips and arms don't fire all at the same time. This is how you create the elastic drive.

    Now for the feet. Load the right foot as in a open stance forehand but you have to drive the hip so your weight comes around drives to your front foot (left). This is essential to creating good torque. At the end of the rotation you can lift the left foot as the right steps down to release the tension place on it by the hip rotation. Like the website describes above, the arm the rides the wave of the torso to hit the ball.
     
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  20. ATP100

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    You might want to look at your video again.
     
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  21. DavaiMarat

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    I have and this is what I see. Feel free to object but 1 line answers do little to help the OP or show me that I'm incorrect, no offense.


    To tell him his footwork is bad and not give him any advice sniffs of trolling. Not saying you are but give him something to help him fix it. Or better, post your own video to show him how to help.

    You can even use a iphone these days.
     
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  22. Nellie

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    What I see is too much arm/not enough torso rotation. Because you are arming your forehand, I think that you are not getting a lot of power/weight from the shot (note how your ball just dies after it bounces). Watch in you videos how your left arm dangles at the side while you swing without any motion of the shoulder. When you use only you right arm, it is hard to get consistency because each swing will be different (Basically weak or out of control because you are trying to swing too hard).

    I would have you work on getting the left arm more active. Get your elbows out, and take some swings in which you use both hands on the racquet to bring the racquet back when preparing (have the left shoulder pointing at the ball/under your chin before the swing) and then catch the racquet with the left hand during the follow-through of the swing (have the right shoulder pointing at the ball or under your chin after the swing). This big and full shoulder rotation is a sign of good form.

    During the stroke, I like to use the left arm as a guide for your contact point - stick out that hand while you are preparing, and the left hand give you a good guide where you should make contact with the ball.

    During this rotation from left shoulder to right shoulder,
    stay on your toes/ balls of your feet so that your weight can shift right to left. Ideally, you want to feel like you are moving most of your weight from the right foot to the left foot (not rotating around one of your feet).
     
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  23. Avles

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    Seriously, thanks so much again for all this advice, it's really helpful and I appreciate everyone who took the time to comment (even you ATP 100 :razz:).

    The bitter truth is that my real forehand is worse than it looks in the vids-- I can hit the FH somewhat consistently when I can dial it in with the ball machine or in an easy rally, but it goes to pieces when I'm rushed by pace/spin, and I have endless trouble with no-pace and short balls as well.

    Sometimes I feel like my best forehands come when I am stretched out wide-- maybe because those force me to use weight transfer to get the shot in play, maybe also because I tend to let the ball crowd me when I don't have to stretch for it.

    Based on the vids and on the comments here, the agenda looks like this:

    1. Move contact point forward
    2. Involve lower body / use torso rotation
    3. Shrink and simplify takeback
    4. More active left arm
    5. New pants

    Time to get to work... I booked another hour on the ball machine tomorrow and I'll try to start putting some of this into practice.
     
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  24. andrewpmast

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    I have the exact same issues my friend. Frankly, some days I hit really consistently, almost amazingly. So, I leave the court thinking 'get it' and then the next day I'm back to square one, framing balls (miss-hits), going too wide, too deep, or into the net, or not where I intended it to go, WITH AN OCCASSIONAL amazing shot that tells me that I have a great shot hidden somewhere in there.

    And for those who may say, "more practice", keep in mind, I play tennis 10-15 hours a week and have been for 3 years now. I have plenty of time to continue to adjust what my weaknesses are. And I know we all have bad days, but my bad days out-number my good days. Something's gotta change. I'm hell-bent on figuring it out and if I do, I'll share what I did.

    Making matters worse, I play daily with a slice-and-dicer which throws off my footwork and screws up my timing/direction and distance judgment. With an extreme semi-western, I get screwed. At the same time, if I play with a decent modern stroke (higher, top spin, good bounce), I often play better, but still can't keep a rally going very long because after hitting a few good shots I get overconfident and screw it up.

    Enough Whining by me. I feel your frustration. Those frustrations can't make matters better on the courts either.
     
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