Formula 1 2012

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  1. ryushen21

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    I have to agree. Aside from the crashes on lap 1, the race really wasn't very exciting. It would have been so much better if they had needed to change over to the inters and then there could have been some pit battling and maybe some more challenging on the track. But that's just the way that Monaco seems to go.
     
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    The more the other teams protest about RB's makings, the faster their car becomes:confused:. Impressive pole from Vettel with the now modified floor and wheel hubs.

    Behind him Hamilton and Alonso looked strong, whereas Mercedes and Lotus especially were a bit disappointing.

    Maldonado threw a very good good lap at the end of Q2 into the wall of champions and will be starting from P17 only.

    I hope we get an interesting race tomorrow with a lot of overtaking, safety cars and a close finish. The circuit 'Giles Villeneuve' is one of the most beautifull ones in the whole calendar imo.
     
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    Djokodal delayed till the race starts so I have nothing to watch now :(

    Where are you guys, let's rock this thread up :)
     
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    Yeah, the rain delay timing sucks, was hoping Rafa would get it done in time for the green light!
     
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    I bet today's F1 race will end before Nadal-Djoker ends (that is if it even starts :lol:)
     
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    wrong thread lol
     
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    High five for another happy sports fan tonight (or this morning if you're in the states) :)
     
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    Hamilton is GOATing atm :(
     
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    Awesome driving from the top 3 (not listed in case you're watching delayed :) )

    1 stop the way to go if you could manage your tyres!
     
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    What happened to Alonso, why was he so slow at the end of the race? Worn tires?
     
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    ^^^Yep, they switched to a 1 stop strategy after they lost their pitstop window over Lewis at the second round of stops and so he had to make the tyres last 54 laps - they were shot to pieces!
     
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    Team Radio Hamilton some 25 laps to go: 'Are you sure they [Alonso&Vettel] are coming in?'. Team. 'We are sure'. Nevertheless Lewis drived like a genius up then and beat them both on the track.

    The tactital battle was initiated by the Saubers and the Lotuses revealing their single stop strategy. Therefore Alonso and Vettel couldn't afford the second stop without falling behind them. In the end it didn't work out at all. Even Vettel who was forced to his second stop 8 laps before finish managed to beat Alonso.

    Nico's race was ruined by Massa's stubborn fighting in his in-lap, costing Nico a position and valuable time towards the end of the race. He did the most fastest laps through the race I believe. Schu again a DNF is just having a bad season.
     
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    Basically it, poor Fernando later has an average lap times that is 3-4s more than other drivers...
     
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    ^^^It's an odd one, because at one point Alonso had 15's on Hamilton, it's a short pit straight at Montreal so if they'd pitted him then, he could have gotten out in front and if not he would have been close enough (and on fresher rubber) to have a run at him in the DRS.

    Think perhaps Ferrari dropped the ball there - not that i'm complaining as a Mclaren man!!!

    cheers
     
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    It was indeed a great race for Lewis. I refrained from posting earlier because I didn't want to sound like a total nerd being all geeked out about Hamilton finally winning a race.

    There were definitely some odd strategies going around. I was most interested how Lotus ran a 1-stop with RoGro and his tires didn't go to complete crap.

    I nearly had a fit when the boys in the pit mucked up another stop for Lewis but all was made well by his standing atop the podium.

    I think there has definitely been a marked increase in performance for Lewis since they changed to the higher nose. Hopefully the team can get Jenson dialed in for Valencia. A 1-2 McLaren podium would be nice.
     
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    ^ Forget JB. He's useless without exhaust blown diffusers (axed in 2012 :)






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    Remarkably it is Lewis who is managing the tyres better than JB this season(!).
    As for Valencia who knows...
     
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    I think Lewis just wanted to give everyone the finger after they gave him so much flak about being so aggressive and so hard on his tires. As for Jenson, I don't know what's going on with him because it seems like he keeps complaining about no heat in his tires as opposed to degradation.

    I know that there are always differences between drivers on the same team but the McLaren boys need to get Jenson settled up quick.

    Valencia could be another crap shoot. Not a particularly high speed track so the Ferrari boys could be in for another good run since their cars seem to be better on slower tracks.

    The fun continues this season...
     
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    Luca disagreed with you :p
     
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    Let's see if we can get the eighth winner in Valencia. The hot conditions should suit Lotus! Vettel on pole. I'd like to see another Kimi-Vettel battle. Go Kimi!
     
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    Yes, go Kimi!
     
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    Kimi :oops: :twisted:
     
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    take that Hammie :twisted:
     
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    Well, another exciting race. Glad to see Jenson finishing in the point again. A little frustrated that Hamilton got taken out with one to go. Partially his fault and partially Pastor's. Good to see Schuey back on the podium.
     
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    Indeed the track suited the Ferrari after all. What a great drive from p11 to the victory from Alonso. He is the first to win 2 races this season. Of course Vettel's and Grosjean's technical issues, and the silly shoot out of Lewis by Maldonado favoured the Spaniard.

    It was not very sportsmanlike from the crowd to cheer that crash though, for which Maldonado got handed a 20s penalty thus leaving him without any points. I don't think Lewis did anything wrong in this incident.

    Schu managed to get his first podium after his comeback quite surprisingly. Both Mercedes looked initially far away from competitive in the hot conditions, but the clever switch from 1 to 2 stop-strategy after the safety car brought them back into the business. It is relly amazing how much advantage fresh rubber gains in the late stage of a race.

    Vettel drove some 20s away from the field in the early stages, so the RB have clearly found something. Apart from the usual suspects the Force Indias were impressive today (5th/7th).
     
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    I agree with you on that. To me, Maldonado should have backed off going into the turn in the first place. Once he ran himself wide off the track he should have stopped trying for the overtake and just gotten in behind Lewis. It's not like he wouldn't have had other chances to overtake as Lewis's tires were gone.
     
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  27. Bobby Jr

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    He clearly did contribute to it. He had Maldonado half off the track when they were alongside - i.e Maldonado was still on the track - and then continued to push him further. If it'd been a higher speed corner on the outside he could have caused a massive shunt. As it was Maldonado unluckily returned too quickly (failing to rejoin the track in a safe manner was his crime here) and his wing ended up coming off and bouncing Hamilton's car - which sent him into the barriers. 19 times out of 20 an incident like that would result in someone losing a wing and nothing more.

    The stewards appropriately gave Maldonado a very minor punishment so they probably gauged it as 60-40 his fault, not 100-0.

    Watch the video if you like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqhiYXP0KNE

    Maldonado was alongside and enough so that Hamilton was obliged to give him room (an excusable offence if you can make it look unintentional). Then after Maldonado is off Hamilton weaves right to get back ready for the next corner's line - Maldonado thought that was his opening basically, but was mistaken. Hamilton was just unlucky that Maldonado had a brain-fart and forgot that cars on the track have complete rights over those rejoining the track... Maldonado tried to rejoin too early and *boom!*.

    Maldonado should have just gone straight and rejoined 25m further down the track. He had a good chance of passing Hamilton before the finish anyway given how shot Hamilton's tires were.
     
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    Maldonado was continuing to attempt the overtake into the corner which resulted in him being outside of the racing lane. At that point he should have given up and gotten back in line behind Lewis instead of trying to rejoin as he had to know that Lewis was going to continue his line and come back down.

    I won't argue that Lewis wasn't pushing him wide because he was. Maldonado had options there as well as a car on much better tires. He would have gotten Lewis before the race ended but he chose to be impatient and immature.

    All in all, it's part of racing.
     
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    I've never been a fan of the circuit in Valencia but this was a decent race. Alonso showing his class and I really loved it when Kimi overtook Lewis. He had some nice overtakes, even without the DRS.

    There was something special about Kimi, Alonso and Schumacher standing there with Andrea Stella right before the ceremony. Stella was the race engineer of all three. Their interaction and the atmosphere was great.

    I'm hoping for hot weather all the way up to Spa. Can't wait for Silverstone. Kimi had his comeback in the title race around that time in 2007 with back to back wins in Magny Cours and Silverstone, praying for a repeat!
    The Wimby final will be the same day. Hoping for Kimi and Roger to be glorious and victorius! :-D
     
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    I second that. I too look forward to Silverstone, with it's athmosphere and the presumably cooler conditions for my Mercedes team:)
     
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    A DRS-ed Alonso get owned by Hamilton in that straight part...

    this is disturbing :(
     
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    Viva el campion! Fernando is driving the $*)%^#*% out of that car! Massa drives well - only AFTER ripping his own front end off on someone else's rear - he's got to be done at the end of the year. If they can't get one of the big names, I'd love to see someone like Kobayashi get the 2nd seat for Ferrari.

    Button rebounded nicely.

    I knew Vettel would get penalized - but dropping him to 5th seemed harsh. I would have just swapped positions with Button and called it good. I assume the penalty is supposed to have a deterrent effect.
     
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    Bump.

    Man that was a long break!

    Spa - will this be the week Kimi breaks through? He's won it 4 times. Alonso has never won it.
     
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    Grosjean is an idiot! Takes out Alonso and Hamilton. Pretty boring race after the carnage.
     
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    Yes, it was going to be a great race with many of the big guns in midfield and Spa is the most spectacular place for it. It was still a very good race, but unfortunately the battling was mostly with Toro Rosso/Mercedes etc instead of Hamilton/Alonso/Vettel/Kimi. Button was going to run away regardless, that new wing is state of the art.

    Highlight was Kimi aka King of Eau Rouge blasting past Schumacher into Eau Rouge.:twisted:
     
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    That was the only highlight. After so many contenders were taken out, it was a processional. Vettel and Red Bull aren't the same.

    I was very happy today to see Grosjean got a 1 race 'time out'. Hopefully everyone learns the lesson.
     
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    R.I.P. Sid Watkins.. the man responsible for the drive to make F1 safer for about 25 years. He also attended to crashes for Senna, Barrichello, Schumacher and many others over the years.
     
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    Lewis to Mercedes then...hmmm, not a great move in my book. However, McLaren have replaced him with Perez apparently - quite an exciting young driver.
     
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    Wow - I had thought Mercedes was merely a "bargaining chip" to bluff McLaren/Whitemarsh to come up with a better new contract. But I guess Lewis Hamilton had a real opportunity to get a new car.

    Oh and by the way I haven't heard any announcement yet but I'm pretty sure Schumacher will now leave the team.
    Because Schuey is not the type of driver who'd settle to being a sidekick to Lewis (who will no doubt be given a "number one" status
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    Hamilton was going to get 5 million less and more sponsorship commitments from McLaren, so Mercedes offered him his current deal at 15 million a year and it was too good a deal.
     
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    ^^^My understanding is that both salary offers were pretty much in the same ballpark of around 15m per annum. The difference is in the opportunity for personal sponsorship as McLaren don't allow their drivers to have personal sponsors which may conflict with team sponsors (nothing to do with commitments). Mercedes will allow Lewis (well Simon Fuller) to negotiate individual sponsorships with whomever he likes. My gut feeling is that Fuller is more behind this move than anybody else as his company will make a packet out of the negotiation and potential sponsorship deals.

    Mercedes confirm Lewis and Nico as drivers for next season. McLaren confirm Sergio Perez alongside Jenson.
     
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    MS forced to retire for the 2nd time??

    That is better for his career that he never drives a F1 car again.
     
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    He wasn't forced the first time though. Ferrari would have chosen Raikkonen and Schumacher as their drivers. Schumacher said that he felt tired and didn't want to ruin Massa's career for just another year or two in the F1. No one would have said "no" to Schumacher back then. It was a good moment to quit, a perfect one without the engine failure in Suzuka (he probably would have become the world champion 2006 without it).
     
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    F1 is becoming a joke. First it was Hamilton that was untouchable, now it's Vettel. SMH
     
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    Not a good race in Japan, but Hamilton driving Mercedes won't go very far if that's a similar car, Mercedes team sucks.

    Championship is now very opened.
     
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    Mercedes 2013 will be made by an entirely new team of engineers. They have the better engine of the sport, with a lot of power and an ridiculous consumption.

    I think that Red Bull is the best car in this season ending. The remanning tracks favors their cars. India, Korea, Brazil, Abu Dhabi and Austin (wich is "more of the same" by herman tilke). The title is in the hands of Sebastian. I think that his victory in Abu Dhabi and Korea are eminent.

    I hope to see a better "lotus" in 2013. Kimi deserves a better car to really challenge for the title.
     
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    Best car? Only the ranking will tell us that!
    Kimi is still ranked 3rd in the championship run and maybe they can still improve the car by the end of the season.
    With the new way to count points, and with a little luck (alonso and vettel not finishing races), he can make it.
     
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    Well, I guess that the results are showing that RBR is the best car of 2012 :p

    And they tend to win Austin, Abu Dhabi and Brazil. Austin is very similar to Suzuka and the every other tilkodrome. Abu Dhabi is RBR Ownage.
     
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    Wouldnt Lance be a good car jockey?
     
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    Vettels on pole with his new front wing and alonso 8th. The track in houston looks great, they have done a good job. Vettels pace is looking untochable hopefully the title race is still alive for the last race but its looking like vettel might be a three times world champion sunday.
     

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