French Open draw

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  1. pound cat

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  2. drakulie

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    I think agassi received a fairly favorable draw in his section.
     
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    Laughing - Agassi

    Smiling - Hewitt

    Frowning - Safin

    Crying - Haas
     
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  4. theprophe

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    Federer or Nalbandian vs Ferraro in one semi
    Moya or Coria vs Agassi in the other
     
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  5. Jonas

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    If Ferrero comes into Rg in decent shape/form he should be able to hold up to his quarter where he would be scheduled to meet scheuttler, of course schuettler will surely be bounced by someone along the way. Gaudio is the biggest threat to jcf in that section.

    That top section with federer, nalbandian, safin, and grosjean looks awfully tough. Federer is the in-form player, but he really has a few tricky clay court masters along the way possible opponents include, ascione, guga, lappenti,volandri, grosjean.

    It really looks like andre and carlos have the best draws. Although, he has lacked good prep for this tourney, andre is the onlt player in the world who doesn't really need a lot of matches. He looks good to the quarters where he should meet roddick, (i think roddick will have a nice rg this year) The coris/moya quarter should be a classic!!

    Just for the heck of it: Moya/Ferrero Final: Moya Winning it all

    too bad we won't get to see that gasquet/nalbandian 1st round match. Nalbandian might be going home early.
     
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  6. irishbanger

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    Upset special---Haas over Ferrero in round 1. Winner of tournament Tommy Robredo.
     
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  7. The tennis guy

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    I don't agree Federer has a tough draw in his quarter. Yes, he has nalbandian, safin, and grosjean in his quarter. But he doesn't have to play all of them, just one of them. Nalbandian and Grosjean aren't great on clay, Safin is tough on clay. But Federer beat Safin on clay pretty handily before.

    I think Coria has the toughest draw, with Zabaleta, Gonzalez, and Moya/Robredo as round 3, 4, 5 opponents. Thus, Federer has a great chance here since Ferrero has a really bad year so far.

    As of women, very little suspense here, probably JHH/Mauresmo vs Venus/Capriati/Serena.
     
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  8. TwistServe

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    I think Nic Almagro could knock off a few rounds going in as a qualifer. He gave coria a big scare in hamburg.
     
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  9. TwistServe

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    Doubt Robredo has a chance.. They can upset a top seed once in a while, but to do a few times in the same week is tough.
     
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  10. Feña14

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    Canas V Gaudio looks like a great match.

    Henman has a tough match aswell against the French man.

    But Ferrero V Haas is a bad one for my man, I still think he will come through and win RG again!!!

    Vamos JC!!!!

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  11. Vlad

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    I feel bad for Safin and Ferrero. And poor low-ranked Haas, I was looking for him to make a run at the French.
    Safin has to play Calleri, who he never beat.. he is 0-2 against him.
    Agassi is lucky as ALWAYS, so is Roddick if he beats old Todd in the first round.
    Watch out for a Guga - Fed third round match!!!
     
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  13. Tomek

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    and what with Nadal, I can't see him there :(
     
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  14. Feña14

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    Nadal has broken his leg a while back now, I don't think he has fully recovered yet.

    My friend Susan will know more details :wink: .

    Liam
     
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  15. Matt H.

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    I'm calling it now. Haas over Ferrero. That's the upset of the tournament baby. 8)


    Go Haas!
     
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  16. Feña14

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    No Haas don't do it!!!

    If Ferrero plays he will come out and show everyone why he is the King of Clay!!!

    I know that if Ferrero doesn't do very well then you guys are going to rip it out of me. So come on JC!

    Liam
     
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    Haas over Ferrero is a chace for sure. Ferrero's barely been playing and if Haas plays the way he did when he beat Roddick the other day.........he also has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less to lose.
     
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  18. pound cat

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    I highly doubt Ferrero will play. His wrist is still injured and he will announce Saturday whether he will play or not.
     
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  19. robbie_dademo

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    yeh i reckon nalbandian vs gasquet is just about as good as the hass vs ferrero matchup.

    go nalbandian!
     
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  20. BigboyDan

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    An awful lot of qualifiers in this tournament. So many of the 75-200 ranked players will just not play in the Majors because of cost - why go to Paris, London, New York, and especially, Melbourne, lose in the first round of qualies, and be out $1500.
     
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  21. Nosoupforyou

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    Labadze vs. Johannson that should be a good match between two up and coming players
     
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    calleri x safin... best 1st round match
     
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  23. pound cat

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    Wilander's picks. I would scratch Hewitt & Ferrero bbc.co.uk

    ROGER FEDERER
    Strengths: He's really a clay-court player, even though he plays his best tennis on faster surfaces. His shots are really clay-court shots, with a lot of topspin, and he moves unbelievably well. If he gets on a roll it's possible we can see the same thing happen as at the Australian Open or Wimbledon last year.
    Weaknesses: It's tough for him to put seven matches together. He can do that on a faster court because some days he is going to serve a little better but on clay it's really hard because you've got to find a high level and keep that for seven matches. I'm not sure he can do that on clay yet but I'd love to see it.


    DAVID NALBANDIAN

    Nalbandian has already reached the Wimbledon and US Open finals
    Strengths: He knows he can beat the Roger Federers or Andy Roddicks and it doesn't matter what surface it's on. He can stay there for ever and, I think, play seven good matches, which is what you need in a Grand Slam.
    Weaknesses: His weakness might be that if Moya, Ferrero or Federer plays well he'll have problems hurting them. But if they are just a little bit off their game then I would say Nalbandian is the favourite.


    JUAN CARLOS FERRERO
    Strengths: He's been away for a while but he knows that if he comes in with one or two matches in his pocket, he's ready. When he gets to the French Open he knows he can do it and the other guys know if he plays well, he's probably going to be the guy to beat for the next 10 years.
    Weaknesses: His weakness is the illness and he's still a little bit of an up-and-down player. When he plays well, he plays really well, and he makes too many unforced errors when he plays badly. If the French Open wasn't coming up I wouldn't mention his name, but you've got to watch out for him.


    LLEYTON HEWITT
    Strengths: It's a bit of an emotional pick but I think Lleyton was a little misunderstood at the beginning of his career. He's had his problems with the media but he really is a great guy on court. I just love the way he fights, the way he competes.
    Weaknesses: His strength is the way he can construct a point, his weakness is that he doesn't do it often enough. The French Open is rough for him but if it gets heavy and the courts are really slow, and he's physically up for the task, he's my dark horse.

    Verdict: If Moya plays well he's my favourite.
     
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  24. Nosoupforyou

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    when did nalbandian make the finals of the us open? he only made sf last year...
     
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  25. The tennis guy

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    bigboydan,

    You don't know what you are talking about. The first round loser in a grand slam makes more than $10,000. It's ridiculous to suggest people who qualify to play in grand slam don't play because they would lose money.

    People who get into the tournament are ranked in top 102 5 weeks before the tournament. You have maybe 8-10 wild cards, 8-16 qualifiers.
     
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  26. finchy

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    i really hope JC pulls this one through. he can be a really great player if he can recover soon.

    i just wanna see him in more action. im with Liam all the way, GO JCF!!!

    EDIT: btw, some great possible men's qf's are:

    federer vs. nalbandian
    ferrero vs. schuettler
    and most exciting of all:
    coria vs. moya
     
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  27. BigboyDan

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    The tennis guy,

    You only get paid IF you get IN the tournament. If I were ranked 175, say, and not a great clay court player (or grass player for Wimbledon, etc.) I would pass on Paris. The FO accepts so many qualies because they run out of ranked players, who simply don't enter, long before 128.


    Stupid is no way to go through life, son.
     
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  28. Max G.

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    The number of wildcards, qualifiers, and direct acceptances is constant, I think, and doesn't depend on who enters or doesn't.

    If I'm someone who can get direct entry, I'll get the money whether I win or not, I'm not sure why you would pass. You might pass on qualies if you're not a good claycourter and you don't think you'll make it in - but not if you already have direct entry.

    You're not explaining yourself very well, Dan, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
     
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  29. BigboyDan

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    I'm not talking about anyone who has direct entry.













    At any given major only around 80-100 players who enter have direct entry. An additional number of wild cards, say, four or six, get in.













    Why so few a number of direct entries?













    Anyway, the rest have to qualify. If there are 20-32 positions to be gained by qualifying and there are 250 qualifyer entrants (who by definition are probably ranked between 150 and 400) - well, one would have to gage one's chances of getting a qualifying spot in a clay tournament if one is not a clay courter, EVEN, if one is ranked say 176. Cost to benefit.













    Therefore, at any given major there will be a wide margin in the competition, via rankings. In the old days the top 16 seeds would get byes in the first round. Of a major. Always enjoyable to see the number 3rd ranked player beat the 439th ranked player qualifier 0-1-0 in the first round; instead of the 3rd ranked player playing the 135th ranked player (who would not have direct entry) who skips the major because he sucks on clay and would most likey lose in qualifying. And, it's all just so damn expensive.
     
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  30. The tennis guy

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    It's your conjecture, not reality.

    There are 108 direct entry based on your ranking 5 weeks before the tournament, and 8 wildcards, and 16 qualifiers through a 128 qualifying draw. In reality, very few players skip the qualifying draw if they qualify unless they are injured. There are wild cards for qualifying draw as well which is why you see someone ranked at 400 sometimes can get into the qualifying draw. Most players in top 250 have some type of sponsorship, either by private company or by their own countries tennis Federation. Playing the qualify in grand slam is a big event for players ranked outside of top 108. Very few if any skip unless injured.
     
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  31. BigboyDan

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    Again.


    Not all those who are 1-108 ranked actually enter any given major for any given reason. Example: Clijsters is the #2 ranked woman but because of injury, not in the FO. Her replacement: some 234th ranked qualifier.

    I'm just saying that it's expensive for a low ranked player to try and qualify for a major - that's it. They do have a budget. If I play badly on clay, as compared to grass, I am not going to spend $1500 a week in Paris prior to the FO and have no real chance to get a qualie spot.

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  32. SonicSpeed

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    Can't wait for RG to start. Too bad with the time difference here with Paris (9 hour time diff, since I live in Cali)...I won't be seeing much LIVE tennis.
     
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  33. Max G.

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    Example: Clijsters is the #2 ranked woman but because of injury, not in the FO. Her replacement: some 234th ranked qualifier.

    Actually, it's not a qualifier that replaces her. I think they just take the next person down the rankings, not a qualifier. The number of qualifiers is the same. Maybe a lucky loser if they withdraw late enough, but if it's announced early enough then they take another direct entry.
     
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  34. BigboyDan

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    No.


    Any player below 108 MUST qualify - wheter ranked at 110 or 458.


    This so easy to understand.
     
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  35. Max G.

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    Hmm, I'm not sure. I can't find this information, and I don't think you're correct. I'll post a separate topic on this.
     
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  36. The tennis guy

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    Max G. is correct. If someone withdraws before the draw is announced, then the next highest ranked player before entry cutoff date is entered. Since Cljisters withdrawed weeks ago, the next highest ranked player who was on the entry list but got cutoff would be entered, could be 109, 110. The only time when additonal qualifer is entered is when a player withdraws after the announcement of the draw.
     
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