Friends and enemies in the ATP

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  1. NEW_BORN

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    Let's put it this way. Do you see Federer and Wawrinka hanging out together just the two of them, going to a ball game or having a drink? Because i don't.

    Like i said before, at the Olympics they are countrymen playing for their country and yes it was a nice gesture of Fed to let Wawrinka carry the flag, but to me it doesn't necessarily equate to them being friends, merely countrymen.

    Again there is no right or wrong answer here. You can continue to believe whatever you wanna believe and i'll go on my merry ways.
     
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  2. Seth

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    I believe most of the French are pretty tight. Gasquet, Llodra, Benneteau, Simon, etc. At the Sony Open I was told they were eating most of their meals together when not practicing.

    During the Gasquet/Almagro match, Benneteau came in during the second set and sat down with Clement and Grosjean for the remainder of the match.
     
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  3. bullfan

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    It seems that the language barrier comes into play, where folks are more comfortable relating to those they can have an easy conversation with.
     
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  4. HughJars

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    So overall, Sampras is a complete do*che bag.
     
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  5. bullfan

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    Geeze, "a nice gesture".... Can you even hear how you sound.... And of course, you're changing the topic again.... Cause it's all about having a simple beer versus, a HUGE AZZ item that is once in a life time.... Apparently, once in a life time is zippo versus having a beer.
     
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  6. The Meat

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    Deliciano and Murray are friends, the glue holding them together is this women.
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  7. bullfan

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    That was so hysterical when Murray was so embarrassed by his mum! Who couldn't commiserate with him! Then he had to deal with mum getting drunk with Sean Connery and embarrassing him! Murray is a good sport!
     
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    Lol, but didn't she say it was a typo?. The letters are right next to each other...
     
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  9. mandy01

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    Fed and Henman. I think Roger also liked Safin very much. I think Roger didn't like Hewitt much early on because he appeared too in-your-face but later realised he doesn't mean it like that. Fed and Delpo are again pretty close. I think Roger saw him as a potential #1 for a very long time. Sadly for his injuries........... :sad:
     
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    jimmy connors and mcenroe hated each other
     
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  11. HughJars

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    Does anyone like Connors?
     
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  12. NEW_BORN

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    Jesus Christ you sound like a massive tool. :shock:
     
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    Well, I think Fish and Blake went to Roddick's wedding, maybe the Bryans.

    I know Chudinelli went to Federers' (though that was during the week between Miami & MC).
     
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    Federer had a match the next day and didn't want to be standing around the Olympic Stadium for six or seven hours. That's why he let Stan carry the flag. Besides Fed had already done it twice. Yes, it was lovely that Stan had the chance but it wasn't because Fed was being magnanimous.

    Judy Murray didn't come up with the name Deliciano, although she certainly made it more well known and popular! :) Feli has had that name for a long time (and deservedly so).
     
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  15. NEW_BORN

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    Finally a voice of reason :)
     
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  16. The Meat

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    No, one look at Delicano Lopez and you automatically make a typo with a D instead of an F in his name. :)
     
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  17. LaneMyer

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    aside from Odesnik, pretty much every American in the top 200 gets along. The older guard -Roddick, Blake, Fish, Russell, and the Bryans are especially tight. Querrey & Isner are BFFs. Kevin Anderson, having went to college here and marrying an American, has kind of become an honorary member as you've seen him play a lot of doubles with Isner & Querrey over the last year or so. Tommy Haas a bit too as he's out in Cali with Fish, Querrey, and the Bryans...and Gimelstob I suppose. Mark Knowles seemed tight with the older American guys...especially Roddick, although everyone on tour seemed to get along well with Knowles. Aussie Matthew Ebden seems tight with Ryan Harrison. They've played a lot of doubles together over the last year+. Basically I think the Americans, Canadians, Aussies, and nearby guys from the islands like Knowles tend to migrate to one another. Probably as the result of their lack of desire to listen to the Euros and So. Americans rambling on about soccer all day long.
     
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  18. Lukhas

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    I think Federer dislike Djokovic for some reason.
     
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    Relax folks, ...
    This can't be stated with any certainty. It doesn't matter to me whether Federer would have been magnanimous or not under different conditions so I'm not flagging these posts up because I wish to believe he was. I'm flagging it up because people are stating with absolute certainly that it wasn't generosity where as the fact is nobody knows other than maybe Fed. It seems obnoxious to outright presume that it definitely wasn't Fed being magnanimous just as it would be silly (though slightly more arguable as he did give up the right for whatever reason) to assume that it definitely was Fed being magnanimous.

    End rant.
     
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    Pete forgot to mention, 'He can volley, but I can serve'.And his shoulder is busted. Ha ha, I ROCK!!. He doesn"t.

    D!@# head.

    Oh wait, 'he's the GOAT'!!!'. Sorry, WAS.

    Which is what we"ll say about Sexi Rogi in about 12 -15 yrs when someone else becomes GOAT.

    HE WAS the GOAT, now he's not.

    Don't forget, no matter who they are, NO ONE likes to lose.

    Which is why today's champions are so great. They have learned to seen to be humble, even if they don't believe it.
     
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  22. Magnus

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    Funny, I read quite the opposite. I remember reading that Fed used to be the one making jokes in the locker room while Nadal was the one not talking to anyone, keeping his distance from all players pretty much.
     
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  23. Emet74

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    Yep, Fed and Koubek go back a long way.
    From his 2006 Tokyo blog:

    "After the party I went for dinner with Tim Henman and Stefan Koubek who are two of my friends on the tour."

    There's a pic too :)

    http://www.atpworldtour.com/news/tennis/2006/blogs/rogerfederer.aspx
     
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  24. Mustard

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    Ilie Nastase, Vitas Gerulaitis (RIP), John Lloyd.
     
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  25. NEW_BORN

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    Everything i say on this forum is my opinion, i certainly don't go around sprouting my beliefs like it's the scripture.

    But in this case, generous or not, if Fed had never had the opportunity to carry the Olympic flag prior to London, do you honestly think he would have given up that right to anyone else. I certainly don't.
     
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  26. bullfan

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    You are changing the argument again. I googled this after my last post and it indicated that Fed refused and was thrilled Stan carried the flag. Do you honestly believe that folks believe you over Federer?
     
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  27. Nathaniel_Near

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    Relax folks, ...
    Neither do I, except that this wasn't the context. This sudden invented scenario has absolutely nothing to do with the issue I flagged up or the actual event.
     
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  28. NEW_BORN

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    Which was what if you don't mind me asking?
     
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  29. NEW_BORN

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    LISTEN YOU DIMWIT.

    How many times have i said this is my OPINION. Do you even know the definition of what an OPINION is?
    For crying out loud why are yo so HELL-BENT on proving me wrong, which can't be proven in any case, seeing as it's an OPINION.
    It's like all of a sudden, you've latched onto a post of mine and now has a personal vendetta against me.

    Just do everyone a favor and DON'T check out of your mental institution. What an absolute waster of space you are.
     
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  30. Crisstti

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    Lol, that is probably the reason.
     
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  32. Clarky21

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    I know how you feel because I've been a target for Bullfan for a while now. Ignore is one more attack away for me when it comes to him; I've had it.
     
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  33. Nathaniel_Near

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    Relax folks, ...
    To state with certainty that the act was not magnanimous at the 2012 Olympic Games as though Federer certainly only gave it up for Stan because he had a match to get ready for the next morning/afternoon whatever. Whether it's true or not is not something I care about, I just found the assertion to be odd.

    You then proceeded to ask what if Federer had never had the chance before, then I agree the clamour would be too great and Fed would want his hand on that flag (we still don't know) but this made me pull even weirder faces because it was irrelevant to the point, which was that in that instance we don't know if Fed would have still gladly given up the honour if his match was say, 2 days away instead of one day. He might not have, he might have, but the manner in which Vernon outright states 'it was not magnanimous' was perturbing from a logical standpoint. So I flagged it up. These things are usually not black and white, and as I said, I felt the need to comment on this not because it's important to me whether or not it is magnanimous, I am simply a logic wh0re.


    I hope my answer satisfies.
     
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  34. bullfan

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    Awe...... Are someone's whittle feelings hurt because they got called out apparently, it's ok to be a bully, but not ok to refute one. If your whittle feelings can't handle folks, and not just me saying you are wrong, then you shouldn't post on a forum where dissenting opinions are permitted.
     
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  35. Nathaniel_Near

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    Relax folks, ...
    In short, the tone of vernon's post was just ludicrous so I felt the need to respond to it.
     
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  36. Nathaniel_Near

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    Playa monsta.
     
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  37. NEW_BORN

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    More psycho babbling from the underage imbecile :twisted:
     
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  38. bullfan

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    It's hard to say, I found a CNN post after most of posts regarding this issue, it had zero to do with Fed's schedule, but rather his opinion that he shouldn't carry the flag and suggested Stan. Does this mean it was purely altruistic, no, but at that time, as well as now, I took Fed at his word. I am on an iPad where I'm not as familiar with copying links... Hope this works...

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/27/sport/tennis/olympics-wawrinka-federer-london-tennis
     
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  39. Nathaniel_Near

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    Relax folks, ...
    Interesting to know, so it might not have even had anything to do with Fed's schedule anyway. His levels of altruism are not a concern to me but given what is told and written it's pretty funny when someone has a personal vendetta to believe something else entirely and state it as an irrefutable fact. That's what annoyed me about it really, the intent. It's about the only thing that I find annoying in life.

    The link works, yes.
     
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  40. bullfan

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    Really..... I would think the person that can't defend the accusations is the one with the issue.

    Why do you think Fed shares his physio with Stan during non Olympic years? Fed has no reason to do that. I guess you also disregard the poster that said Fed called and checked in on Stan as lying?

    Get over yourself. You have had more than one person call you out regarding Fed and Stan. Shoot, I'm not even a Fed fan and Im calling out your crap.
     
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  41. NEW_BORN

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    All i've said from the beginning is that it's my opinion that Fed and Wawrinka aren't friends, in the true sense of the word.
    I've already said that i agreed to disagree with you, but for some reason you feel the need to prove with absolute certainty that this is false. Well, i'm a grown man and i can make a judgement call with my own eyes, and they tell me otherwise.
    What more is there to say?
     
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  42. bullfan

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    Basically that you've insulted Fed and Wawrinka when you shouldn't have in your post.
     
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  43. LaneMyer

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    it's been pointed out various times during broadcasts where they've played one another that Fed has given Stan a lift on his jet to tourneys or back home. We know Fed travels with a good deal of his family and presumably a couple members of his team...Luthi and physio/trainer(s) perhaps. I have a difficult time believing that Fed would offer a ride to him if they weren't at least decent friends. Would Fed pass up teaming up for doubles with Stan if Chiudinelli was at least Stan's equal or in the Olympics if Haas was Swiss? Probably...but who cares.
     
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  45. NEW_BORN

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    What in the world are you on about???
    How is saying 2 ppl aren't friends an insult to them :confused:
     
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  46. NEW_BORN

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    Exactly!

    I was just making a passing comment / observation and yet some psycho (bullfan) seem to take that as a personal insult. :confused:

    Strange is all i can say.
     
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    I think Roger didn't want to go to the opening ceremony because of the traffic in London and he now has two little ones at home in case anyone hasn't noticed. It's a long road from Wimbledon maybe and that's why he took the call. Honestly, I'd be annoyed if Roger showed that sort of altruism because it looks like you're throwing a bone to somebody.

    Personally, I think he likes Stan but I don't know how much Stan likes him because the guy keeps taking periodic potshots at him especially regarding Davis Cup or more recently the Basel fiasco.
     
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  48. NEW_BORN

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    Agreed.

    You don't have to be an Einstein to see that after their last two matches - Shanghai2012, IndianWells2013 - there is so much tension between the two.

    Stan's demeanor at the net exchange just screams bitterness and even a pint of animosity.

    Yet some will have you believe otherwise.
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not sure that Djokovic or Murray are good friends with Federer. I remember some years ago, Federer lost to Murray in Dubai and he said that the Scottish was just a pusher, that he would never become a top player if he kept playing like that. And during the Masters Cup, Murray tried his best to eliminate Roger in the RR even though he (Murray) was already qualified. Now their relationship have probably changed, I don't know, but they haven't always been great friends.

    Djokovic doesn't look close to Federer either. His body language when he plays against him talks by itself. He was asked about that, he said he was closer to Rafa and Murray because they were of the same generation.

    Berdych is not a great fan of Federer either. In 2010 at least. When he beat Federer in Wimbledon that year, he said that the swissman was looking for excuses because he lost even though some months earlier when Fed beat him, the swissman said that he won easily. For that reason he refused to vote Fed for the sportsmanship award that year.

    Berdych loves Rafa judging by the "fanboy" tweets he did after his RG victory.
    Rafa and Soderling don't like each other since the imitation episode in Wimbledon.
    Rafa and Rosol don't like each other either.
    Murray said Rafa is his favourite player.
    Serena loves him too.
    Tsonga and Rafa don't like each other afaik.
    Gulbis and Rafa don't like each other.
    Monfils loves Rafa.
    Gasquet and Rafa are very good friends since they're kids.
     
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    murray is great friends with just about everyone even la monf
     

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