Full Syn gut - actually pretty great

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  1. Power Player

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    16. I will break 17 way too fast.

    And yep that is why I went with the Gold..it's not mushy...just a great feel with a beautiful sweet spot.
     
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  2. Korso

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    Forten is sweet in the 60's.
     
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    Nice..I was thinking 60 or 62 #s.
     
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    Strung my Rad MP at 55. Great control & pocketing.
     
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    How is the power level? And which rad? I did 50 in MG Rad which was good but a little mushy. The MG usually feels too low powered above low 50s to me but haven't done full syn above 50 in it in ages.
     
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    LM Rad MP which is supposedly stiffer then the MG. Power level is sufficient for my game which is built around working the point until I draw a short ball and coming to net. I don't feel that any syngut is great for baseline bashing.
    At least in my experience.
     
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    Worked for Courier.

    I don't have a huge issue, but baseline bashing means different things. If you mean grinding, than yeah - agreed. Grinding sticks are open patterned and will shred through syn gut. If you mean attacking, than I disagree. You can attack very well with syn gut. The extra feel actually aids in my consistency and placement.

    I just never really know what baseline bashing means anymore, since the game is a baseline game now and people have different styles from back there.
     
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    Sorry, I used a poor choice of terms. Should have said I don't win that many outright winners from the basline from sheer power using Forten as I would with some multis.
    That is why I described my game a bit. I prefer to work the point a little more but still attack when I get a short ball or get my opponent out of position.
     
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    ahhhh..yes that makes total sense. I found the forten rather powerful, but different strokes and racquet..etc...lots of variables.
     
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  10. 2handsbothsides

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    I also like the natural the best but in my playtests the gold was the softest string of the 3, more stretch almost rubber bandy, more power and less control at the same tension. The white is almost a different string with a smoother outer jacket.
     
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    My 9.6 yr old son had Forten Sweet 16g at 59 lbs in his Blade Lite (16x20 pattern) for two months and he just loved it. Amazing power and pop. Restrung with Babolat syn gut 16g at 57lbs and within 1 hr he was crying and cursing at the string. I never thought strings could make so much of a difference especially to a below 10 yr old. We have decided to stick to Forten Sweet for a long long time.
     
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  12. Power Player

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    Its a great string. I got more time with it today on har-tru and what sticks out is the spin is a lot heavier than you would expect. Coming from poly mains, I thought I would be missing long on shots that usually drop in, but that was not the case.

    I was getting nice jump off the court on those shots and then the benefit of extra feel is obvious. That really seems to help with consistency. I am not sure how long it will last, but if I get 6 hours I will be happy.

    The string movement is rather minimal as well so far.
     
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  13. keithfival

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    Ok, I'll bite, I have a blade 16x19 coming unstrung so I think I will try a full bed of Forten at 58 to start. Never did a full bed that high but the blade is so lively I think 58 should be good.
     
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  14. Lukhas

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    Do you guys consider a string like the Tecnifibre XR3 like a syn. gut due to the presence of a core, or a multi?
     
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  15. Power Player

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    It may not last as long in an open pattern so keep us posted. I know it never lasted in any of my open pattern sticks. Only reason I can get any time out of it is because the pattern on this tec is nice and tight.

    I basically have to use poly in open pattern sticks....no real options there.
     
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    The Blade 16x19 is not a wide open pattern IMO
     
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  17. mrmike

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    Just strung up Forten Sweet 16 (natural) in one of my C10 pros. Nice hitting string for the money. Even though the C10 is a 16x19 I think it will last ok for me since I hit pretty flat. Even so, I can notice that the spin is not as good as the RIP control I had in this frame earlier.
     
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  18. jgrushing

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    I've played Gosen OGM as a full set for many years. My son, a senior in high school, also loves it in his racquets. I find that the different colors play a little differently. The white plays more crisply than the natural or clear. Not better, just a touch stiffer. I've come to like the natural the best. But if you like a crisper feel that's still pretty lively, white may be the one.
     
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    How do the different colors of POSG compare?
     
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  20. Povl Carstensen

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    As a long time OGSM (16 & 17) user I am loving this thread.
     
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  21. ohplease

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    This. Tension stability for syn gut is usually terrible. If you're restringing a lot, it's not a bad option.
     
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    Not in my experience. It usually loses 3 pounds until breakage. Its far better than poly in terms of that.
     
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  23. Rogael Naderer

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    How is OGSM Super? It's all my supplier has. I'm currently using PSGD16 and like the way it plays except for the harsh feel.
     
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  24. The Meat

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    I only see this in poly's

    Tension maintenance:
    Poly<Syn Gut<Multi's<Natural Gut
     
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  25. luvforty

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    it's season dependent..

    polar bear tennis under 45F, forten sweet or Wilson stamina;

    45-65F, OGSM natural color;

    65 and above, OGSM white;

    OGSM white is almost poly-like in terms of crispness during the first 3 hours, and the 'deadness' afterwards - but both 'crisp' and 'dead' are good for hot weather.... Forten becomes rocket launcher after 1.5 hours.
     
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  26. jgrushing

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    I wouldn't call tension stability "terrible" with Gosen OGM. Agree that if you play a lot, you'll go through it. However, by the reel I'm paying about $2.50 a set so I don't mind. I like the characteristics, it's not killing my arm, it's easy to string.

    I don't like poly. And I think lots of people would realize they don't like it if they'd play some different strings with an open mind. For many, many recreational players, I think poly's the wrong string. But they think because the pros play it, it's best for them. I've put Gosen OGM in racquets for poly/hybrid players and they've come back for more.
     
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    i agree with jgrushing^^^
     
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  28. Rozroz

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    PP, did you also try the natural Forten and didn't like it as much as the Gold?
    i need a bit more "in depth" opinion between them, might order a reel.
     
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  29. Boricua

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    Why use OG in crosses instead of full copoly at low tension in a flexible frame? In other words, what are the OG cross benefits?
     
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  30. ohplease

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    Let's put it another way - tension stability and consistency from session to session in terms of playability aren't the same. The only poly that varies as much as most synguts is something like ALU - most polys at this point do much better.

    Not just nylon syn guts - nylon multis are just as bad if not worse. Composite strings containing nylon + something else (particularly polyamide - see rip control) do far better.
     
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  31. logrock

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    Also much better tension maintence than any multi I've ever used, which were NXT, NRG & Klip Excellerator.
     
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  32. Rozroz

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    well i think i moved too fast to poly/hybrid without a good reason.
    i played with BHB7 until now, and after reading this thread i see no logic to keep doing that, since i'm not even a string breaker.
    yes i benefit from the spin but as PP says, it's mostly technique.
    and i absolutely cannot stand the lifespan of poly!
    i prefer a stable budget string that will break after a while and keep itself "fit".
    so i'm gonna go for a reel of Forten now. but as i asked already, could someone give me a deeper analysis of the difference between the GOLD and NATURAL? i need a more thorough opinion on the difference (i tend to prefer the NATURAL from what i read).

    i don't have Forten in Israel at all so i just wanna decide and go for it. PP?

    thanks.
     
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    Nobody? Really?
     
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  34. jgrushing

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    The polys may work great for you--I wish you the best. For me, they cost more, die even more quickly, and hurt my elbow. I've played around with low tensions a little and could probably find a playable poly and tension that I like. But I already have a string and tension that works for me; Gosen OGM at 59-60.
     
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    Polys drop around 5-7 pounds of tension over 10 hours of play for me. Synguts drop 3 and last 6-8 in this 18x20. So it is a small trade off.

    The forten gold definitely has the most spin of any syn gut I have used. It is also the softest on the arm, but still has very good feel.

    It actually reminds me a little of cheaper gut in terms of feel and spin.
     
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  36. Rozroz

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    so, PP, did you also test the natural Forten and preferred the gold?
    how did you come up with the final verdict on the reel?
     
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    So you're still grooving with full FS at 56? I'm deciding between Forten at 58 and Ice/Forten 50/54 to start off with on the Blade 16x19. Think there'd be a sig. diff. in comfort?
     
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    I am. 4.0 player. This recent (is it recent?) talk about synthetic gut is very nteresting.

    Question.

    I use poly at 50lb and i have to hit with topspin or my shots fly out. My setup makes it difficult as it is to control the power. Wont a full bed of gut be hard to control power?
     
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    Thats your strokes, not the string.

    Thats why I believe if you get a racquet, you should first put full syn gut in it at around medium tension. It will tell you everything you need to know. If you can't keep the ball in, then you need to figure out what you are doing wrong. Its a super cheap way to learn a racquet and it will tell you the harsh reality about your strokes.

    I am grooving with the 56#s..may go a little higher next time just to see how it goes. The blade has more power than my tec though. I'd do 60#s personally in the blade.

    I have never played forten natural. I picked gold because I like the old school look and it plays great. I have never though too much about syn gut color. I just accept how that color plays and move on.

    This is why I like syn gut..not a lot of thought required. Just plug and play..get the tension right and you are done. It's less than $3 a string job.
     
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    Yes.

    For a full job I'd suggest going with Prince Original Syn 16 first.

    Gosen is not as good in a full job.

    Id pick between the Prince and Forten. Crisp versus softer.
     
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  42. jgrushing

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    To each his own. I prefer Gosen over Prince Syn Gut.
     
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    I probably have a half a reel if you ever want to trade.

    Don't get me wrong, I like OGSM, and it doesnt suck in a full job. Just didnt have the feel I prefer.
     
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  44. TroutSc

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    I'm using a poly/syn hybrid. Sometimes poly/multi too.
    If I have a tb/syn now at 51/55 but am going to try full syn, what tension would be ideal? Id like less power than currently have, but also comfort.
     
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  45. keithfival

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    I keep inching higher and higher. I'm at 56/53 and while the comfort is superb it's still too bouncy for me. Might go higher and bring the cross up too, like 58/56. If you want less power than 51/55 I think no less than 58 for the main.
     
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  46. Seth

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    This thread encapsulates everything I've been thinking lately. I played my best tennis (4.5 rating) using full bed of synthetic gut. Not only that, but I wasn't even loyal to a single string. I used mainly Klipper Synthetic because I got deals after I bought my stringer, but also regularly used, as PP does, Prince OSG and Gosen OGSM.

    I went through a period where I wasn't able to play as much (dropped down to 4.0) and compensated by getting deeper into equipment. In doing so, I began using poly. If I'm being honest with myself, the only advantage to poly in my game is that it doesn't move.

    All that is to say: I'm going back to a full bed of synthetic gut. I have a 16x19 pattern, but I also string my own frames, so I'm not concerned with breaking.

    Glad I found this thread.
     
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    Welcome home my friend.
     
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    So what are peeps finding to be good synthetic crosses to pair with poly mains? I've been using Pro Supex Spiral Flex, as it's been one of my favorite synthetic guts for the money. And I would continue to recommend it to others, and still use it as my go-to for many applications. But as I play more, hit harder, and have moved to an even more open string pattern racket, I find it frays and breaks a little too quickly in my hybrid setup.

    OGSM is much more durable in this application but is stiffer than I want. Gamma Synthetic (non-Wearguard) would be great but they don't sell it in reels. And Prince Original is more than I want to spend. So what would you guys say? I haven't used Forten Sweet in a hybrid, but I figure its softness would make it not so durable. Any suggestions people?
     
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    If you want to use it in a open pattern, go thicker! I use a cheap 1.40mm from an unknown spanish brand and i like it a lot.
     
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    I thought OGSM 17 sucked as a full bed and was happy when it broke after 14 games.


    Get the Gamma non-Wearguard. It lasts twice as long and they sell it in reels.
     

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