Future Sites of NCAA Championships

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  1. TopDawg

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    These 8 sites are bidding to host the NCAAs in 2015, 16, 17, & 18 per this article

    Hurd Tennis Center - Waco, TX - Baylor
    Dan Magill Tennis Complex - Athens, GA - Georgia
    Kahn Outdoor Tennis Complex - Champaign, IL - Illinois
    Taube Tennis Center - Palo Alto, CA - Stanford
    George P. Mitchell Tennis Center - College Station, TX - Texas A&M
    Michael D. Case Tennis Center - Tulsa, OK - Tulsa
    Centennial Sportsplex/Vanderbilt Brownlee O - Nashville, TN - Vanderbilt
    Wake Forest Tennis Complex - Winston Salem, NC - Wake Forest
     
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    just hold it in Taube every year from now on. all other stadiums are sub par at best.
     
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    Personally, I think Athens is the best site for it. They do the best job hosting and it's such a great town. Nashville wouldn't be bad, but I am not sure how they would make it work.
     
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    I'm guessing Georgia and Stanford are almost guaranteed. They host once or more every four years. Granted, there are more potential host sites now, but given the long history and quality of the facilities, I still expect them to get a bid.

    I think Wake Forest will get one too, as it has that great new facility that hosts the ATP event.

    Not sure about the 4th bid. I thought Illinois did a great job in its debut and deserves another bid, but I know it's not going to be as regular of a host as, say, Georgia. So, while I think we'll see NCAAs in Champaign again, I'm not sure it will be in one of the four years being bid on. Then again, Champaign is a known quantity. But, then again, so is A&M and Tulsa.

    Nashville, though I'm not familiar with the facility, I'm sure would be good.

    All the potential hosts are probably worthy.
     
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    Nashville would be a great city to host in terms of plenty of hotel space, easy to fly into, and easy to get around town. However the sight-lines for fans wouldn't be the best. Vandy has 10 outdoor courts but seating would only be what I'd call good for 5 of those courts - see video. The 5 indoor courts at Vandy all have good sight-lines.

    The Centennial Sportsplex is about 1/2 mile away and they have 13 outdoor and 4 indoor but the only seating would likely be on the sides.

    I'd be surprised if Nashville got 1 of the years. Probably will be Georgia, Stanford, Baylor, and either Wake or Illinois.
     
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    That way, the Standford Cardinals would be the home team.
     
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    Baylor's facility looks really great. Champaign should add a permanent grandstand like Baylor's on at least one of the sets of six courts (and they have room to do it on the side opposite the already-existing seating on both sets of 6 courts. They do have permanent seats already, but a grandstand might aid Illinois in future bids, as there is more competition for bids now with Wake, Baylor, and eventually Rice with new, great facilities.
     
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    Really? I think Baylor's facility is an architectural failure (except the roof). :neutral:
     
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    I meant more the court set up and seating, not so much the looks of the whole thing.
     
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    Um... I'm meaning everything.. court set up and seating... I guess these are the same geniuses who designed the overall lay-out of the BJK National Tennis Center in New Yak (purposefully misspelled).
     
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    It's windy at Baylor 365 days a year for some reason.
     
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    Symbolism, much? :)

    Could be long-term climate change?

    By the way, I wouldn't drink the water there...
     
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    Two, six court banks back to back with plenty of seating on the main bank and room to add more at Baylor. Plenty of room to add all the high visibility seating needed on the second six. No structures to separate half of courts from view like A&M. No walking to a secondary set with terrible seating like Stanford. Not the constant replaying of points like Georgia. Lots of parking and go across the parking lot to a new six court indoor. Six indoor courts are important--not 4 or 0. Tradition will probably not push Stanford or Georgia out of the rotation, but Baylor and others deserve to be in the mix with their latest additions. We haven't even talked about places like Alabama that have 12 plus 6 indoors. I like tradition, but it is important to give players and fans the best courts and improved viewing. If we stayed with status, Orange Bowl and Cotton Bowl would still be played in their old stadiums.
     
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    I have attended the last 6 team NCAA's and have watched the pros at play at WF's new tennis facility. Thus, I have been to all of the above except for Waco and Nashville. Facility wise all are fine and with the crowds that come seating is never that big a deal, unless the home team is playing in the semis or finals. I think school is always out, so there are few if any students around.

    Personally like the setup with two banks of 6 courts with seating in the middle, so it is easy for the fans to go back and forth. That leaves out the two biggest venues (Athens and Palo Alto). The best setups for that are Champagne and College Station. Tulsa is sort of in between.

    As to the other sites Waco TX sounds like not a real great place to visit and it will be hotter than you know what in mid May. Nashville is very intriguing. WF (Winston Salem NC has nice facility, but it is not that a great place to visit, but I live 35 miles away so it would be a great choice. WF seems to be getting better, but if they are not playing people will not attend in large numbers. The new ATP 250 pro event drew very poorly this year after the initial enthusiasm wore off.

    I really think they need to split up the men and women and/or even just have a final 8 at the big event. Then, if attendance is important just let the #1 seed host every year, as you really only need 6 courts plus indoor backup courts. The current event is just brutal on the fans with play starting at 9 AM and ending at midnight (usually) on the first 4 days. If it is hot and it usually is, only a tennis nut will stay for more than one match. They also need to stop playing the men's semis at the same time, because that is the tennis people want to watch.
     
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    While attractions beyond the tennis venues may be nice for fans, I'm wondering if it's at all a consideration in determining hosts. You have to be pretty hardcore tennis fan to travel to watch NCAAs, and I'm betting most of those fans would make the trip anyway despite the host school not being in a "not that great" of a place. I guess a few possible hosts might draw some people who were in town anyway, but again, I can't believe it would be that many people. I'd think, for more casual fans, geographic convenience, rather than excitement, is what brings them to watch.

    I live an hour and 15 mintues away from Champaign and went to grad school in Champaign, and actually like Champaign to some degree. But, are Champaign and College Station really that much more exciting than Waco or Winston-Salem??
     
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    I agree that the local fans are the key to attendance. None of the 4 cities you mention are all that exciting. Nashville might be an exception. It takes a bit if of tennis "nut" and someone who is retired like me and who really likes to watch tennis to go to the NCAA's. I imagine hardly anyone attends the individual event. Three or four nights in hotel, plus airfare and food can add up. Since there is an off day, I have taken advantage to see some of the local sights like Lincoln's home in Springfield last year. Safe to say I would never make a trip to Tulsa, College Station, Waco, Champaign or any of the other cities except maybe Nashville if it were not for tennis.

    I mentioned a final 8 format and I think it would draw much better crowds if it was held on Friday, Saturday and Sunday instead of having the semis on Monday and the finals on Tuesday. This must be the only NCAA championship event that ends on a Tuesday. Some people have to work and taking vacation to watch NCAA tennis is probably not a high priority.

    Frankly now that UVA has finally won it after being so close for several years, my attendance may drop off. I will go to Athens, because I have family in the Atlanta area.

    No offense to the women, but even fewer watch them play, so they really need to play at the #1 seed courts so someone will come to watch.
     
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    If Charlottesville had a better outdoor venue, that could be a good location for the event.
     
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    I am surprised they don't have a better one considering the success they've enjoyed since Boland has been there.
     
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    all about money, my friend. Football and bastketball gets priority in funding and Alums pour money into those sports not tennis. Tennis is lucky to get scraps. and new stadium with new webcam costs a lot of money, Millions.
     
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    From a very good source, I hear in the UVA athletic department, behind the football coach, Boland is the next most influential coach on staff. His fund raising and funding of their program is supposed to be top notch. I understand all their players have individual workouts most every day and can have their racquets strung daily. At the NCAA's it was seen that Pat Etcheberry was their physio. I'm sure what I touched on just scratches the surface.

    Would not suprise me if they have a tennis facility upgrade on the near horizon.

    Clark may be able to add more and clarify is what I know is accurate.
     
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    I can testify to this one: the indoor facility they use (which is owned indirectly by UVa) was resurfaced around Xmas 2011, including the stadium courts that were only 5 years old at the time... the official word was that the courts were slick and needed it. The reality was that the team wanted slower indoor courts, because their indoor successes weren't fully translating to outdoors, where the courts are slower.
     
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    UVa will not be likely to host the outdoor championships. Charlottesville only has enough hotel rooms to host one big UVa event (e.g. a football game). If there were two big events at once, people would have to be getting hotel rooms out of town.

    The NCAA tournament always coincides with the UVa graduation ceremonies weekend. That ties up almost all the hotel rooms by itself. No room for tennis, I'm afraid.
     
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    I was going to say that if Champaign-Urbana has enough hotel rooms, then Charlottesville must have enough rooms for NCAAs. But, it looks like a lot of the commencement activity at Illinois happens the weekend before NCAAs begin.
     
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    Hotel rooms shouldn't even be part of this discussion.every big campus should have enough in the surrounding areas.
     
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    Even if a large university is having commencement and tons of family and friends in town? It makes sense that in such a situation hotel rooms are not going to be plentiful. Some of these colleges are in realtively small cities or towns.
     
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    They just announced the sites for the NCAAs starting in 2015.

    2015 - Waco (Baylor)
    2016 - Tulsa
    2017 - Athens (Georgia)
    2018 - Winston Salem (Wake Forest)
     
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    Tulsa has no webcams. they have something on top of the fence but it is broken and has been broken for 2 years. it is laughable.
     
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    No love for Stanford there. I'll make the trip to Athens and Winston Salem.
     
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    What I don't like most about Tulsa is that you can't see all 6 courts from any one spot. The courts are scattered all over the place. Doesn't make for a good team tournament atmosphere, however, it is okay for individual tournaments.

    I also heard that at Wake the second set of courts is divided by a street. If that is true, I don't think that would be great for viewing either. Stanford kind of has the same problem on their main set of courts as stands obstruct the view.
     
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    It will be fixed for the 2016 tournament. The NCAA is clearly making every effort to video broadcast as many championship events as possibile.

    What's funny is you knowing the webcam status for most every D1 tennis program. At the least you know webcam status for the PAC-10 schools and any of Stanford's opponents.
     
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    I am familiar with the WF set up. There is no street dividing the courts. The main 6 college match courts are side by side, although there is a slight bend in the middle, because there is lightly used street that they had to build around. The other courts are where the pros now play and they are almost adjacent but not side by side. You will have to move around some if you want to watch more than one match, but it is easy to do.

    The ATP tournament's main stadium court played in August actually uses a giant portable grand stand type facility that travels around the USA for various ATP 250 events. The Atlanta tournament uses the exact same thing. It seats about 4,000 or so. I could not believe that it is disassembled and then loads on trucks and then is used over and over again. Engineering technology is amazing these days as it basically is a giant erector set (if you are old enough to know what that is) or a LEGO type thing. I doubt this portable stadium will be there for the NCAA's, but they have enough courts. The best thing at WF is that they have climate controlled indoor facility with 8 courts about 100 yards away in case of rain.

    Barring WF making it to the quarters, semis, final the local crowds will be quite modest as it is everywhere else.

    I live 35 miles away, so this will be great for me.
     
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    Waco actually isn't that bad to visit, I take my kids to juniors tournaments there. It's another place where hotel rooms are scarce, however. Some good restaurants there too.
     
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    yea sure. even if it is fixed, still it will be such Poor quality, we won't be able to see anything. and it Freezes too about 80 % of the time. it is worse than the $10 webcam you buy at the BEST Buy store.
     
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