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  1. 3fees

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    BNP Paribas M1000 -Simon d Berdych 6-4 6-4.

    This tournament may set a record for upsets

    Friday, 2 November 2012,,BNP Paribas Masters 1000

    Start 2:00 PM

    [Q] Jerzy Janowicz (POL) v[8] Janko Tipsarevic (SRB)

    Not Before 7:30 PM

    [6] Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA)v[4] David Ferrer (ESP)

    Not Before 8:30 PM

    [WC] Michael Llodra (FRA)v Sam Querrey (USA)



    :)
     
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  2. tennisenthusiast

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    Clearly this was a tank.

    Tournament organizers should sue the players. This is becoming preposterous.
     
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    Lol,,they may do that if there ticket sales go in the tank.
     
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  4. merwy

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    Nah, you could expect someone like Simon to annoy the hell out of someone like Berdych. That being said, Berdych didn't look disappointed at all when shaking hands at the net (after giving up a 3-0 lead in the 2nd set), he was talking and laughing with Simon.
     
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  5. Marcus2137

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    Did you watch it?

    I saw most of it, and I did see Berdych making a lot of errors, but I don't think it was tanking errors. It was just Simon doing what he does well.

    Simon did an excellent job of getting to balls, defending well, and keeping Berdych from doing what he does best, hitting hard forehands with rhythm. Simon was picking on Berdych's backhand from the beginning, keeping the ball low and out of Berdych's strike zone, never giving Berdych consistent depth (moving him up and back), and hitting angles well.

    Berdych plays great against some guys, like Fed, because they give him what he wants. Simon did a great job of not feeding Berdych the balls he wanted, and patiently waiting for his chance to hit it behind Berdych on the move.

    Some people surely call Simon a pusher, but I applaud what he can do. I mean, look at the guy, he's a skinny dude. To expect him to play like Safin is ridiculous. He uses what physical tools he has as well as he possibly can, and gets pretty great results considering his physical size/strength. Good for him!

    Berdych's biggest issue today was letting Simon get inside his head. Just from watching Berdych, he seems like a very rigid guy, both in personality and in tennis. He lacks the flexibility to adapt at times, and Simon used that today to get in his head. Also, Berdych definitely was too reactive today, and within a few games, was waiting WAY too long to try to take control of points. I'm not sure what he was waiting on. Maybe he went into the match telling himself not to get impatient and try to force points on a guy like Simon, but whatever the reason, he was way too passive and LET Simon control a lot of points that he surely could have taken over. It's almost like he was trying to beat Simon at his own game. Regardless, Simon dictated most of the match and unarmed Berdych with perfect efficiency, well done!

    I'm not a Simon fan (not any one player's fan, just like good tennis), and I admit that Simon definitely isn't as entertaining to watch as someone like Federer/Nadal/etc. But from a strategy perspective, it WAS fascinating to see what he was trying to do... and DID, during the match today.

    I look forward to seeing if Tipsy can do something similar (but probably in a more entertaining style) with the young Polish Janowicz in the next match. Like Simon, he definitely can't out hit/serve/power the guy if he's on, so strategy will be the only thing that can save the day...

    just my $.02. I'm definitely no expert though, I just write what I see.
     
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    I watched the match and you are spot on. Simon played beautiful tennis today. His defense and angles on his shots were great. He waited for the perfect moment in the point to go for his shots.
     
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    Wide assumptions , did you or didnt you see the match?
    If you didnt , well your assumption is what is in fact preposterous.
     
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    Why would Berdych tank? Its not like he is Nadal or Federer who have 18 or 19 masters and another one is meaningless. The guy won 1 masters title SEVEN years ago, if he won this tournament it would have been huge for him. No, he lost fair and square to Simon.
     
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    Simon leads head to head 5-2 now so not that big an upset, looks like Gilles eats his flat shots right up.
     
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  10. kalyan4fedever

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    everything is not a tank, give the winning guys some credit, they worked hard to achieve that.
     
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    Assume that you were sleeping when the match was going on.
     
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    Simon, when playing well, is one of the best at not giving an opponent the opportunity to hit his strongest shots. He has been in the top ten repeatedly. He has given Federer and Nadal difficult matches.
     
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    I stand by my statement. How long did it take me to predict that Tipsarevic will lose to Jankowicz...not very long!
     
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    Berd lost to the pusher ? Fed is the only player Berd gets fired up against, it seems, that too at slams.
     
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    Almost all of the top 8 tank this for WTF anyway....

    Good job ATP!
     
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    All but Federer!
     
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  17. Mainad

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    H2H oddities:

    Simon 5-2 Berdych
    Berdych 4-3 Murray
    Murray 9-1 Simon

    Simon owns Berdych. Berdych (somewhat) owns Murray. Murray owns Simon.

    Weird or what?
     
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    It is weird. I was thinking about that before... Because people always say Murray is a better version of Simon (not sure I agree). It's a bit weird that Simon matches up so well against Berdych while Murray doesn't. But maybe it has something to do with the fact that Berdych just gets more fired up when playing guys like Federer or Murray. I mean it's not like he is very consistent in beating those ranked (well) below him in general.
     
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  19. Marcus2137

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    I think it's easier for opponents to draw Murray into a 'shoot-out' / 'punching match'-type tennis rally than it is Simon. And Berdych thrives on shoot-out rallies, so if he can pull his opponent into one, he typically does better. But Simon just isn't tempted to get drawn into these types of rallies, and it's a good thing for him.

    Simon's best talent is realistically knowing what he can and can NOT do well, and then sticking with that game plan. Murray's emotions can be an asset, but they can also get him into situations where he starts to play outside of his game. I'm not sure I've ever seen Simon fall into that trap.
     
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  20. TheF1Bob

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    Simon is a good player. It's time for some folks to digest that. 8)
     
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  21. tennisenthusiast

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    and so is Federer the real GOAT. Time to digest that one too!
     
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