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  1. Govnor

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    ratings are very high right now, it seems unlikely that they will keep rising as the seasons keep coming. much more likely they will eventually start dropping. That is TV for you.

    As for the budget yeah, it's pretty darn big for a TV series. I would imagine it's a hell of a lot of work though, year after year. Another reason I don't see them continuing to split books.
     
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    While the TV series have been good they skip way too much from the stories for it to really be a great translation to TV.

    I'm only up to half way through book 3 part 2 so ahead of the TV series but have passed each book close enough ahead of the TV to really notice what has been missed out.

    Great TV but wish they'd made each series 15 episodes and put more effort into, for example, Brandon's Direwolf dreams.
     
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    Say what? It's like the most expensive show ever made isn't it?
     
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    What do they eat ? and is the dragons mature yet ? and ready to take over the world for their princess ? Princess need to take her land back.
     
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    NO - that's the issue, HBO gave them a VERY low budget for the type and scope of the seris - ROME got more $$$$$. That's one reason in seasons 1 and 2 you had no major battle scenes and lots of interior shots and the whole thing was shot in Northern Ireland - Budget for the whole first season was around 50million US and the 1st episode cost almost 10million alone.

    Season 2 got a bump of about 15% - thus more outside shots - season 3 again received a slight bump again and now we have location shooting in Iceland, Malta, Morocco, Croatia....etc

    But it no where near the most expensive show on TV - it's also the main reason you only get 10 episodes per season......they need to stretch what they get -
     
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    They eat PEOPLE.......lots and lots of people........they eat meat. Have you not read the books? DROGON turning into a real SOB of a Dragon - they grow to the size of busses.

    Did you not see the Dragon skulls in season 1 in the lower rooms of Kings Landing?

    The ruined castle of Harrenhal in the series was the largest and most protected castle until
    A batch of Dragons flown by the Targaryens melted it and burned it down in the War of Conquest.
     
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    I don't like it that HBO is just manipulating us with this Dragons thing. We are wondering how powerful are these things ? Can they just destroy an army, just like that ?? Does other kings have some kind of secret weapon they can use against these dragons ?
     
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    I assume you have not read the books? Dragons are the reason the Targaryens were able to gain power and hold power but they started dying out.

    The Targaryens rode them like horses - and each Dragon would "choose" who rode them.......gotta remember winters and summers can last 10+ years and there are even worse monsters north of the wall we have not seen yet.
     
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    WOW, Worse monsters ??? like what. Can other kings tame one of these worse monsters and use them to destroy the Dragons ?

    And when these dragons grow up, can we assume that Princess will once again hold power over the world ???
     
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    I will respectfully disagree. Everything I read says it is the most expensive. Even if I am incorrect and there are more expensive shows, it is HUGELY expensive. It is not low budget by any stretch. I do agree that in order to tell a more complete story they need more resources and more episodes.
    http://www.celebritynetworth.com/ar...ve-american-tv-series/#!/game-of-thrones_322/
    http://www.yourtv.com.au/slideshow/179993/the-most-expensive-tv-series-ever-made.slideshow
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/100381004
    http://wire.arts.ubc.ca/featured/ubc-prof-on-the-popularity-of-game-of-thrones/
     
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    I think people have to be reasonable here. They work hard all year to get 10 episodes out. Each one is a thing of beauty and much closer to what movies have traditionally been than TV. They can only do so much.

    I too would like more episodes, but I think they are stuck on 10 for good reason.
     
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    Also don’t forget these children are going to grow up. So they need to film as much as they can to keep up with the ages from the book. That said in the books the principal players ie Daenerys (13) Rickon (was about three years old when mama abandon him and Bran), Robb was about fourteen.
     
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    Never said it was low budget......but based on what they wanted to do the budget was low. ROME as an example had a bigger budget at over 100 Million at the start and flopped.

    Most series are 18 - 22 episodes long.........the REASON they can only do 10 episodes per season is the original $50 to $60 mill budget. .......due to success the current budget is just over $60mil.

    For that type of show and the number of ep it's quite low.

    Lost was clocking in at over $14 mil per episode with 22 episode long seasons - $200+ mil per season!
    Friends final season cost over 180million USD
    Seinfeld was close to 100million
    ROME was over $100mill
    Terra Nova was $20 million per episode and Fox paid for like 24episodes

    60million for a 10 episode season is in the Two and a Half Men territory. It's big but not big enough - can you imagine if they had twice the money and the ability to show even more of the books!!!!

    Find some of the SCIFI Now or SFX articles from the UK where the producers constantly talk of the limited budget and how much they have to cut -
     
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    I actually don't mind if HBO finishes the series before GRRM with his books. Book 4 and 5 are nowhere near the standards set forth by his first 3. Too many new characters showing up while the ones we have learned to care do nothing but traveling. At this point, I am less excited about book 6/7 and don't care to wait another ? years for him to finish the series.

    Maybe HBO can do a better job in wrapping it all up.
     
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    It seemed a lot like what you said > "The series is relatively low/limited budget and they a lot with what they get."

    They film in Ireland, Malta, Croatia, etc to keep costs down and it still cost that much. Some of those places they pay crew 1/10th what they do in the US. Filming offshore can reduce production costs by over 50% in some cases.
    It cost $14m for the pilot episode and then $4m per episode thereafter. That's less than GOT and included having to pay a stack of high paid actors (compared to GOT at least - Matthew Fox, Terry O'Quinn, Jorge Garcia etc in later seasons were on big $$)

    You talked about GOT in terms of keeping production costs down by not filming battles/outdoors etc and then cite a stack of shows, some of which cost tons purely because of the truly massive acting fees - Friends and Seinfeld especially. Which is it?

    Comparing it to Two and Half Men... though - less than half the episodes of any 2.5 Men season (other than the one where Sheen went awol) and no big actors to pay $1m an episode. It's not really a like for like comparison there.
     
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    I don't think anything else can defeat the 'whitewalkers' can they? It would have to be dragons or a big army. Daenerys rocks!
     
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    We'll have to wait and see, but the White Walkers appear to need to be burned to actually die sooooooo.
     
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    And they keep talking about winter coming and its going to be strong one. So maybe it ends up being Snow and a Horde of Walkers facing Dany and her fleet of Dragons.

    From what Ive read about GRRM he is writing 6 and 7 at the same time sort of. With so much story and people to cover he probably starts writing one persons arc and ends up with more material than expected. I say he dies before he finishes this thing.
     
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    I thought that the obsidian or dragon glass weapons had some effect on the WW.
     
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    You're right. I'm getting white walkers and wights mixed up! Wights need the burning!!
     
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    Yiks I forgot about them, are they the freshly dead?
     
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    FYI

    White Walkers, also called the Others in the books, are mentioned in ancient legends and stories from the time of the First Men and the Children of the Forest. Eight thousand years before Robert's Rebellion, a winter known as the Long Night lasted a generation. In the darkness and cold of the Long Night, the White Walkers descended upon Westeros from the farthest north, the polar regions of the Lands of Always Winter. None knew why they came, but they killed all in their path, reanimating the dead as wights to kill the living at their command. Eventually the peoples of Westeros rallied and in a conflict known as the War for the Dawn, the White Walkers were defeated and driven back into the uttermost north, with the Wall raised to bar their return. In the present day, most believe they never existed and are just the stuff of legends, and even the few who believe they did once exist think they went extinct thousands of years ago. Certainly, none have been seen for thousands of years.

    The WIGHTS are the reanimated dead.......
     
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    Thanks for the explanation. So the WW are not the old dead, but a different race for lack of a better word than the wights? Now that guy (forgot his name) that sacrificed all his male children, was it to keep the WW away?
     
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    Right the WW are a race that were fought back a few thousand yrs ago......also suggested there are "other" creatures beyond the far noth no human has seen in a few thousand yrs. Now that another long winter is on its way (maybe one that could last over 20 yrs) the WW show up again and are heading south.

    the Wights are humans that have been brought back from the dead and are controlled by the WW.

    And yes CRASTER marries all his daughters and when a male is born he puts it out for the WW.........he also claimed he was protected by his "real" gods and the WW would not harm him nor his wives.
     
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    Thanks Gavna you're a fount of information. I did read all the books except the last one, but some of the details have been forgotten.

    Okay all these Wildlings who are they? It’s all jumbled in my memory but I thought it had to do with when the Targaryens conquered Westeros. Some of the people split up and moved north of the wall and now the WW are pushing them south again.
     
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    The Wildlings are just humans who for lots of reasons
    have settled north of the wall. Free independent type folk - others like Mace (hecwas a member if the Black Watch and deserted) were people running from all the politics and wars of the south.

    A great place to get caught up on all things GOT is the GOT Wiki page - you got some serious folks out there who update it on a regular basis. Lots of great info in he books and who's who
     
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    Tell that to Ygritte.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xFHX3oGXO4
     
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    These 55 minutes go by so quickly. I couldn't believe it when the credits ran last night. Really enjoyed the Dani scene with the slave lord and the dragons. The Theon scene was just wrong.....
     
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    Have to say that the Ramsay Bolton / Theon Greyjoy storyline is just disturbing. Did they really have to string it out for so long?
     
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    I've only seen the vids on youtube and yes it is quite disturbing. The producers had really no choice but to play Theon's torture out in season 3 because if they waited to follow the books they'd have to wait till season 6. Not likely the actor will stick around waiting years to finally be used.
     
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    I think the answer is yes they did. I don't want to go in to spoilers as there could be non-book readers coming to this thread.
     
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    I don't understand why - it seems gratuitous and unpleasant to watch. You quickly get a sense of what's going with the first few scenes between them - why do you need even more. It's obvious Ramsay's a sadist.
     
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    True.......Greyjoy deserves everything he's getting and more.
     
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    C'mon Greyjoy has it coming........

    I'm still shocked at how many folks who love the aeros have still
    not picked up the books! So much stuff HBO leaves out but it's great
    to see it on screen.
     
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    I don't actually find Greyjoy a hateful character. He's just misguided and a boy pretending to me a man. His speech at Winterfell before his fathers troops turned on him and knocked him out, made me laugh! At least he was trying to be a leader even if he was failing miserably! Seems a shame that's getting treated so badly by Ramsay. I'm starting to think that Ramsay is more sadistic than Joffrey, or at least just as bad. At least you can explain the latter as a spoilt brat whose power has gone to his head.
     
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    I'm thinking they did need to go over the top more for the future, than for the past.
     
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    What do you think, Iwan Rheon (Ramsay the sadistic pig) and Rob Thomas (Matchbox 20) were separated at birth?
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    pretty damn close!
     
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    Has the Dragons start to fight in battle or War yet ?
     
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    I'm feeling sorry for Theon already!
     
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    I don't think it's all about Theon though either.
     
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    For a major house, the Greyjoys don't get much for scenes. Theon getting tortured is just a put-off, even though I can't stand him. When is Balon going to kick the bucket... all of his ideas have done wonders for his sons. Then again is he any worse at parenting than Ned Stark?

    I'm losing my faith in Robb Stark. At this point I wouldn't trust him to run a 7-eleven. Tywin hasn't had to do much to frustrate the 'King in the North.' His list of follies would make Gen. Santa Anna look like a genius.
     
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    So we have two episodes left, and now we will have to wait two weeks for the next one. What gives?
     
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    Memorial Day weekend ratings dip I'm guessing.
     
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    Thanks, I forgot all about MD.
     
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    Yeah, I think they decided to postpone for a week because of the dip they've seen the last two years. I think they want to make sure Episode 29 has everyone talking at work the next morning, considering episode 9 of the seasons has been the biggie, so far.
     
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    These last few episodes have been a bit slow and feel like they're 'treading' water too much, with nothing much going on between the different 'Houses'.

    The only interesting storyline with some semblence of action has been the Daenerys storyline. All the other storylines seem to be either people pointlessly running about in the snow or politiking at Kings Landing. Even the Ep9 preview doesn't look that thrilling (nothing seems to be able to top the Battle of Blackwater Bay episode!)

    Can't wait for the Stark wedding....but have read a plot spoiler unfortunately :-(
     
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    If you care about spoilers and watching this show, I would honestly just avoid anything about the show online, idiots will try their best to spoil it for everyone these days.
     
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    Was trying to catch up on the pre tv series background about Aegon etc by reading Wiki but came across the Rob Stark story arc by accident.... :-(
     
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    I think the safest thing to do is just stick to the HBO guides. Just too much out there waiting to be spoiled!
     

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