Gamma Moto 16

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  1. db10s

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    I got a free set a Jr. Orange Bowl... It looks like Black Widow. I'm on my phone so I may have missed it, but it doesn't look like TW has it... Anybody tried it?
     
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    its not out yet thats why. i am sure TW has tons of samples they are trying out. so you played at orange bowl? good stuff! i just strung up a racket with moto today but its not my racket
     
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    Yep, playing qualifiers tomorrow...
     
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    Good luck.
     
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    good luck man! let us know how you do. are you playing with moto?
     
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  6. db10s

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    No, I'm using Dunlop ICE at 55 lbs, it's a good "disposable, tournament poly"....
     
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  7. db10s

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    And if all else fails... I just pull out THE Black Widow frame...
     
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  8. zapvor

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    so how did you do?
     
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    I didn't play with the intensity that I usually do.... My first serve was good but my second was mediocre at best. Another issue I had was staying in the rally, the speed of the hard courts was throwing me off. I let him get in my head to much. He is a fast paced player who will serve even if he has only one ball, and continued to yell at me for taking my 90 seconds on the changeovers (I never take that long, I only took that long in order to make him upset... :twisted: ) and also for wanting a ball in my pocket on my first serve. He continued to act like he had no clue how to speak english... I later found out he was swearing perfecting fine in english on the other side (away from where the ref was). It was an interesting match, not something I would like to see again, but I know I will play more people like him.... Overall it was a good learning experience.
     
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    tennis is so tough. its just you out there battling with everything else.
     
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  11. db10s

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    I'm reviving this thread since I'm curious to see if anybody has more info... Still haven't strung it up.
     
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    Here is some info on Moto:

    "A heptagonal shaped string developed for the high performance player. This seven sided construction allows for greater ball bite so a player can generate massive amounts of spin on ground strokes and serves. The co-poly material
    is very responsive and provides greater feedback and excellent tension maintenance."

    I play routinely with the Pacific Northwest sales rep for Gamma and Dunlop. He is a former college player and plays at 5.0 to 5.5 level (double handed on both side interestingly). He's VERY good and he whips me whenever we play, but I can keep up with him from the baseline in basic rallying practice.

    Anyway, he uses the new Gamma Moto string and he "loves it." That's actually what he said to me in an email when I asked him for some info on this string: "I love the new Gamma Moto."
     
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  13. mlocke1322

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    Is that Jack you are hitting with?
     
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    Is it indeed. You know JG? Good guy! Great player.
     
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    My boss is his ex teammate from New Mexico. We do a lot of ordering with him for our programs. Just a great guy to know!
     
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    I wasnt nuts

    I used TWU to sort out strings about a week ago and posted the info in 2 other threads. The results were that Moto was the best string. Good to see subjective results back up the data.


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    I tried the Hawk last month in my Donnay Silver 99, it did take me 3 sessions to get it going but it is a great string. I'm just worried it might be priced in the Luxilon range. ugh. :-?
     
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  20. fgs

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    have played the moto 16 in lime http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7233848&postcount=135

    and the moto 17 in black http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7796735&postcount=164

    the black 17ga was far superior in terms of playability to the 16ga lime version. i don't know how much the colour influences the stringbedbehaviour, but i'd rather have a shorter lifetime with pretty good playing characteristics than a longer lifetime with mediocre at best characteristics.

    the moto17 reminded me a a little bit of the weisscanon black5edge, although it has been quite a while since i played that one. i would have loved it a little bit crispier overall, but i'm talking nuances here.
     
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    ^ Sounds quite promising (apart from the B5E reference ;-) )
     
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    Don't be dissing my string. :)
     
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    Strung up some Moto 17 yesterday.....only had time for a brief 5 min hit but seems very promising. One of those sharp 'edged' strings with good grip on the ball.
     
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    Moto 17 @ 52lbs CP.

    Based on brief initial impressions (an hour's hitting/drills) this string seems terrific.

    Beautifully crisp feel when striking the ball, terrific amounts of grab and spin, good control, medium powered for a poly, and the sound it makes on contact with the ball is like a crackled explosion. The rotations you can put on the ball, the way you can adjust its trajectory, easily dig out low balls etc is very impressive.

    Going to have to string up my normal racquet with this stuff and see how it does over its string life.
     
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    Had another hitting session with the 17 gauge this evening. I think this string is terrific. Need to see what its like over the next few hitting sessions, but it could potentially be one of the best polys of its type out there....

    It's grippy like B5E but in all other respects, I think Moto is significantly better. B5E is quite dead feeling, firm and low powered with on/off power delivery (no power or low power). It's quite one dimensional IMO. Moto is much better feeling, crisper yet comfortable, with a more versatile range of power characteristics and a more natural response off the stringbed. It's much more well rounded in terms of its characteristics whilst offering a good amount of grab on the ball, better feel and good control. I strikes me as what you might get if B5E, Cyclone and Black Widow had a love child...
     
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    The 16 is starting to go slightly dead at 5-6 hours. Not completely dead but it's lost a lot of that amazing crispy, crunchy yet forgiving feel and grip on the ball compared to when it was fresh. Will see what's like at the next hitting session but initial impressions are that it's an brilliant string during the first few hours before ultimate performance starts dropping off.
     
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    i played the 16 in lime indoors and i had a similar behaviour - pretty good for the first two hitting sessions, so-and-so the third and in the fourth when it also broke it was just a slingshot.
    the 17 (black) i played outdoors, it lasted for roughly 5 hittinghours and kept it's good playing characteristics until it broke.
     
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    I strung a set of the 16g last night. I'll report back here when I hit with it on Tuesday night.
     
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    Have you got it in one of those ESP racquets, mikeler?
     
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    How does this compare to say Cyclone Tour which I think offers the best blend of power, spin, and comfort?

    I never been a fan of Gamma strings but this might be an interesting string to try.
     
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    Yes sir. Strung it up at 55# on my lockout machine. It feels crazy sharp, looking forward to trying it out tonight. RacquetTune only measured 5% tension loss after 24 hours of sitting in my bag.
     
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    ^ Curious as to how it's going to play in one of those super open patterned sticks. Probably won't last too long! Don't those sticks require some stiff / deader / thick gauge poly like 4G or can you get away with using normal polys?
     
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    That is the conventional wisdom but the Head Hawk 17g at 50# lasted almost as long as the Prince Tour Xtra Control 15g at 60# so tension is certainly a factor in longevity as well.
     
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  34. corners

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    Hawk is also super-slippery too, at least when new. Less friction = less heat at the intersections = less melting plastic = slower notching = more time till SNAP!

    You ever consider kevlar/ZX in that 16x16 Mikeler? It would be roughly as stiff as a full bed of copoly and just might play well forever in that pattern.
     
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    They both slide pretty well. I'd say that was not a factor when comparing those 2 strings. I have not played Kevlar in many years so I don't have that on my radar screen...yet. :)
     
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    I've noticed that there's a 'Buy 2 Get 1 Free' offer at the moment on these until the end of December from a well known competing retailer......

    $22 for 3 sets is a terrific bargain in my view.
     
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    Picked up that deal on black friday (it is still going on).

    I'm a willing victim of playing what ever the flavor of the month this board is excited about...

    I'd never heard of this string until a couple months ago. I was taking a lesson with my pro and snapped a string. He geeks out a little bit over string & equipment...it is the thing we've settled in to talking about when I need a breather. Our regular rapport builder.

    At any rate, he is a gamma guy. Nobody here really gives them much love, and as such, I hadn't yet either. My pro slid me a set of the Moto 17g to try. I had other strings that were in front of it in the list, and so I put it aside to try later.

    Well my pro became very proactive in wanting to find out how I liked it! 2 weeks of persistent questioning lead me to finally string it up.

    I will say up front that I am not a great player. I love to fiddle with things & min/max on equipment of any sort of sport I am engaged in.

    I really like this stuff!

    The price/set was enough that I thought "You have a ton of other string to play with. If some day you start breakin string like a mad man, I'll let grab some of this." That is until the 3 for 2 deal...bought a bunch and am very happy to have gotten it at such a reasonable rate.
     
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    Played 2 sets of singles last night with the Moto 16 in fairly warm conditions (low 80s at the start). It reminds me a lot of a higher powered version of B5E. The spin on this is excellent but I wish that I had strung it 5 pounds tighter. I played well with it but hit a few more past the baseline than usual. The textured poly crosses chew huge holes in the mains but the spin is intoxicating. I just ordered Tourna BHB7, Solinco Tour Bite Soft 16. I've got a set of Tecnifibre Razor Code and will probably pickup Spiky Shark this weekend. I've got Yonex Poly Tour Pro in another frame and I like the Moto better. Right now, the Prince Tour XC string is still my favorite in the frame...for now.
     
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    I've hit with it in a demo as well. It's a solid string. It reminds me a lot of Volkl Cyclone. I also liked the Prince Tour XC better than any of the ones that you mentioned above. I also liked the Prince Tour XT (? new 18g poly). It has a nice feel, but it wouldn't be good for your stick.
     
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    Sounds like we have a similar taste in strings. I'm looking forward to trying the Prince XS in January.
     
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    Tried Motto 17ga. in my Prince Classic Response last night. Tension at 50/48. I had been using Lux alu spin and played one set with each. Very impressed with Gamma Motto. More power then Alu, at least as much spin, and much better feel and pocketing. It does remind me of Cyclone, as was mentioned previously, but I like the feel of Motto even better. Playing again tonight, plan to stay with it for the whole match.. will see how it goes.
     
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    I played 3 sets last night with a younger former D1 opponent who hits a hard ball. So it has lasted in my very open frame for 5 sets against guys who are not afraid to hit hard. This is a good string no doubt. I'm still hitting a few too many long to make it my "go to" but it is certainly worth trying. I played well both matches with it and perhaps my opponents pace was causing the problem and not the string (blame the string :)). I have not taken a 2nd measurement on tension loss but the string seemed to get this rubber feel the 2nd time out which was not a negative but something I've not felt before.

    Torres, is BHB7 about the same power level as Moto? If so, I'll definitely go 60 pounds on it.
     
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    Yikes, almost 27% tension loss after 7 sets of singles.
     
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    As you mentioned earlier, I think you would have got more control had you upped the tension on the Moto especially in that 16x16 / ESP stick.

    In terms of power levels, BHB7 is probably in the same sort of ball park. Offers a ton of spin but is also very springy. Great from the baseline but because of that springiness I couldn't live with it for volleys. In terms of upping the tension? Probably. 60lbs on a LO is probably what 54CP? If so, I would probably have a first stab at that tension if I had a 100/16x16.

    The Moto16 stringbed on my review stick actually feels like its stiffened up a bit on the 3rd outing. It seems to have lost that plushness compared to when it was fresh. Are you sure you're tying your knots properly? ;-)
     
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    I did not feel like it got stiffer as it aged. For me, it got a rubbery feeling. I've used the same knots for years, so I doubt that was the issue but I would not rule it out.

    The string is good for me but Ive long suspected you prefer a little more pop in your strings than I do. There is a 50/50 chance I'll buy this again and string it at 60 pounds.
     
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    I strung the 16 at 52lbs CP, which is roughly equivalent to 57lbs LO. That was in a 100/16x19. Didn't feel overpowered.

    That's a fair point - it does feel more rubbery after a while. Nothing like that plush yet crisp feel when it was fresh. But then, I can't think of shaped poly that doesn't degrade in performance after the first few hours.
     
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    I think the poly cross chews through the mains and causes that degradation. This is why a soft multi cross seems to allow longer playability for me.
     
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    Adding a nylon definitely increases playing life. I have a Black Magic / Synth Gut strung up and I can go for about 3 weeks of playing without its playing characteristics dropping off significantly. Whereas with full bed Moto, Black Magic, Cyclone etc, I'm restringing once a week.

    I find that the downside with a nylon hybrid though is that you don't get the same spin or ultimate control. I pull the mains out of position, and they're a bit reluctant to slide back into place by themselves.
     
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    Yes, you lose a little spin and some control but the gain in feel and longevity will probably turn me back to hybrids after my full poly run is complete.
     
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    Have gone through 2 sets of 16 and 2 sets of 17 now across a couple of different racquets. I would use it as full bed rather than a hybrid as its fairly soft.

    It's an absolutely fantastic string when fresh but that peak performance just seems short lived. Brilliant string during the first hitting session - one of the best spin polys I've hit with, pretty good during the second, 'hmmm' by the third, and by the fourth hitting session, all the magical qualities seem to have gone, and its become very mediocre.

    The performance life of these edged polys just seem to be so short. I think its particularly noticeable with this string because its just so good when fresh - addictively so - which makes the subsequent drop off in performance even more disappointing because there's such a big 'come down'. It's like Alu - great for a couple of hitting sessions, but after that its performance really tails off. If they could make the performance life of this string last longer, it would have been an absolute winner.
     
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