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  1. goldy0084

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    Transferring=not getting the scholly he was promised from previous coach because new coach wants to bring in more players that can help win ncaas when there is an immense amount of pressure from ad to win
     
  2. floridatennisdude

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    You can have him. Dime a dozen player. Thought he'd be more than a part time 6 for us.
     
  3. ssgator80

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    Maybe true - but still kind of harsh.
     
  4. Gatorluver

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    Johnson is a nice kid but wouldn't be in the lineup if Jackson hadn't run off Newman and Butz, or if Tripper was still on the team. By next season the four new recruits will be there along with Newman. Johnson would not play so he's smart to transfer.
     
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    Maybe he just saw the writing on the wall that there was no shot at playing there next year and thought he would try and find something else while he could.
     
  6. Clemson_tennis

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    It'll be interesting to see where he ends up at Clemson next year in the line-up. We lose 4 players from the singles line-up. He could be like 4-6.
     
  7. tennis7777777

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    Really poor effort by my gators losing to denver in the first round. I hate to say it but I miss Jackson. At the start of the year this team was good enough to be top 10.....now 15 but more like 25. Still can't understand the coaching hire. Like Vik at Florida there are unlimited resources. Maybe we couldn't have got smith or Boland but how about Steinberg, tucker or knoll? If not a great young coach like Roditi or Bresky.....I just don't get it.
     
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    You made a very good hire. The talent level has to improve. The two French players made a good improvement this year, but playing #1 and #2 is difficult for them. The new coach needs time to recruit.

    You got rid of a coach who could not get along with his own players, and who had one of the worst records in the country of players transferring out.
     
  9. Gatorluver

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    Totally disagree! Coach Shelton is cleaning up the mess Jackson left and that will take some time. He has great recruits coming in and is focusing on fitness and individual improvement. It was a poor effort by our boys on Friday but next year will be very different!
     
  10. bluetrain4

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    I know Florida has tons of resources and shold be a very good team which makes it to the Round of 16 more than it doesn't and this year was disappointing. But, give the coach a couple of years.
     
  11. floridatennisdude

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    I miss Andy as a person, but I'll take Shelton over him as a coach any day. We are blessed with a world class coach. This was clearly an implode and rebuild year. Next year will be way better and after that we will be back in the national discussions.

    This years team was never top 10. Borderline top 20.
     
  12. DUPio

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    Hello,

    I am a Denver alumn who has stayed in touch with the program over the last couple of years. Fortunately I live in Jacksonville so I was able to come watch the Denver-Florida match and I thought I'd give my two cents.

    First, its important to note that Denver struggled big time with injuries this year having 4 of their starters, including Bonin out at one point and were not even able to field a full lineup several times during a 9 match losing streak (including some poor teams). Take my word for it, this team should never be unranked healthy and probably should be 35-40. They beat LSU and Texas in hidden duals in January (not the same but still) and missed out on opportunities for good wins during that losing streak. Nine straight losses with several unranked teams will kill your rpi when you are in the WAC.

    They got 5 of 6 completely healthy for the postseason. Not being ranked I think helped them by having Florida come out flat and uninspired in the first sets of singles, while kudos to Coach Westerman for the sense of life-and-death urgency the team had. Not trying to be biased but it just honestly looked like DU wanted it more from the get-go and it paid off, they earned it.

    Just thought I'd share my thoughts. Its a bad loss for Florida still, no doubt, but Denver is no "joke" unranked program. They were top-25 two years ago.


    Losing Van Overbeek is tough, but there are some solid recruits coming in next year.
     
  13. Nostradamus

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    Is Shelton a good recruiter ? does he have top talent coming in next year to help out ?
     
  14. floridatennisdude

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    Well, it's certainly TBD on whether he is a good men's recruiter. It's pretty unquestionable that he was a great recruiter for the GT women's program.

    I don't follow close enough to know who is committed for next year or what's in the pipe line. I do know that only 4 of this years starters return. And I predict that the lineup will look nothing like it did this year.
     
  15. ClarkC

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    Here are Florida's records, by singles position, in their SEC matches. Lots of DNF results because the SEC stops dual matches when they are decided, so the totals are not equal by position.

    1. 1-8
    2. 4-4
    3. 8-4
    4. 7-4
    5. 3-4
    6. 6-3

    I guess the obvious points are: pretty good depth (don't know how Florida was doing in all the unfinished matches at #5), and not good enough at the top two positions. #3 includes 5-1 from Van Overbeek, who is graduating. If Hidalgo from Ecuador, who was sitting out the spring to get eligible (I guess) can get into the top 3 immediately, and the returning players (Piro, Diep, Alford, Watson, Newman) can be healthy and improved, then you get some competition from two incoming blue chips (Lipman, Orkin) and one incoming five star (Wardell) and the team will certainly be deep. The only question will be the records at the top of the lineup, again.
     
  16. dropmaster

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    Tough loss vs denver! Coach Shelton is excellent but he need to work with his own team, he tried to do the best possible with the assets he received...is clear that some kids doesnt have the commitment to fight and win because tennis is not their priority ; Next year lineup most probable Piro, Hidalgo and Newman will be 1, 2 ,3 or inverse ....
    To have a top 5 team you need at least two kids with pro mentality ,those who want to be Pros during and after college....with only amateurs you canĀ“t do much....I only see Hidalgo on that line ...at least his profile has some some Jr and Pro experience and results
     
  17. goldy0084

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    DUpio- finally a knowledgeable person appears. Obviously, you don't ever want to lose to DU at UF, especially when you are the host. But, DU can play. Enej can counterpunch with anyone and Vorkefeld and Krammer battle with a lot of heart and hustle. Danny is a damn good coach and does not deal in b.s. and chris lam is a top notch assistant. They were wayyyy better than a 4 seed and clearly the best 4..with ETSU being a close second. They deserved to win and wanted to win more. You can have all the amenities in the world that UF has , but when some of your guys have no heart, it doesn't matter.

    Anyone also thinking that Bryan is not a world class coach is a fool. People, he won a national title at freaking GT! Please list the different schools that have won for women in the past 25 yrs and it's pretty much the same two or three names popping up. He inherited a total grab bag...one day his guys want to play and the next day Van Overbeek is fooling around in the NCAA's and Piro is being French. These types of personnel and team culture issues dont't get changed over time. He DOES have good recruits coming and they WILL be good. You will not find many people who are better human beings and tennis coaches than Bryan..especially with some of the characters that have been in and out of the SEC.
     
  18. Vicious Vik

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    Florida isnt looking too good. I don't see any future.
     
  19. TopDawg

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    I read up here in Champaign where Amer Delic is leaving the Gators after the individual tournament to start his own tennis academy in Austin, Texas.
     
  20. Nostradamus

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    Congratulations to Amer, he deserves it. how did he get the funding ?
     
  21. kme5150

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    I know this is old news for some but Mark Merklein was hired as the assistant coach.
     
  22. Kirijax

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    What happened to the Gators?
     
  23. Clemson_tennis

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    how are the Gators looking many 7s? This is your team right?
     
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    It is, I think they will be better altho the frenchies scare me, I'm excited to have Newman back. Solid core of recruits but not compared to the top teams, hope we still add someone.
     
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    Encouraging performance vs UCLA. They looked better than Georgia did out west.
     
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    there are only 2 frenchies or?
     
  27. floridatennisdude

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    Yes, Diep & Piro
     
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    I see they honored both Diep and Alford on senior day but not Newman even though he's listed as a senior. Are they trying to get another year of eligibility for him?
     
  29. George Opelka

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    Is he a senior with respect to eligibility? If not, maybe he's keeping his options open.
     
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    He's got to be because he had 2 full years at Florida, transferred to Michigan and played the fall which would have been his 3rd year, and then this year his 4th.
     
  31. GatorChompz_Jill

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    Long time lurker and finally posting. I think Gator tennis is on the rise. Tennessee and Ole Miss have each had their time in the sun and made a run at a title recently and have each fallen off. Florida's time is close. In two years I believe Florida will be top 5 and make a run at the national title.
     
  32. GatorChompz_Jill

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    stay tuned for this. Your hunch is correct.
     
  33. Floridatennis

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    Newman had surgery last year and I'm pretty sure he got a medical redshirt year. So he will have one more year next year. The problem is, I think he is still having issues with the shoulder. I think UF will dominate the SEC in a few years. Shelton is a very good recruiter and he knows how to develop his players
     
  34. GatorChompz_Jill

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    what does everyone think about the Vanderbilt match?
     
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    I'd be very surprised if Vandy lost at 1 or 2 singles with Gonzales Austin and Ryan Lipman both better than Watson and Diep. Florida should win the matches against Offerdahl and Kovrigin. Yee vs. Lipman at 3 if they are matched up should be very close. If Hidalgo gets matched up with Rhys Johnson I'd go with Hidaglo - if someone like Orkin gets matched up with Johnson I might lean Johnson. Doubles point should be big. If Vandy wins the doubles point I think they'll win the match 4-2. If Florida win doubles I think they pull out a 4-3 win.
     
  36. GatorChompz_Jill

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    will Florida host the tournament for sure in men's?? I want to go to some matches.
     
  37. Court_Gamecocks

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    what would you be satisfied with GatorChompers? Should Shelton be on the hot seat?
     
  38. floridatennisdude

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    ***** no! He is the ideal guy running the show. Just starting to build it.
     
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    Losing count of these negative posts. Did someone pee on your cornflakes today?
     
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    They destroyed St John's today 4-0. Hidalgo won 0 & 0, Alford won 0 & 1, Orkin won 4 & 2. Watson was down a set on 2.
     
  41. Court_Gamecocks

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    Should Shelton's seat be warmer now? Cannot get past the round of 16 no matter how hard they try.
     
  42. floridatennisdude

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    Stop it. U can't have him
     
  43. goldy0084

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    trollll trolll trolllley troll.

    Match point to beat OSU without two top starters. Pretty amazing effort. There is no "seat"...admin and everyone is happy. The guy is class and cleans up the ratty SEC. You are fired for trolling.
     
  44. Court_Gamecocks

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    do you still think this? Cannot beat a rebuilding team at home and failed to even be a top 16 team on the nation. Do not attack me, I am simply stating the facts.
     
  45. Nostradamus

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    he is finding out that getting the Men to the championships is whole different ball game. It is much more difficult.
     
  46. goldy0084

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    Objectively, you COULD make an argument that his performance has not been "amazing." He hasn't come close to a NCAA title and that is the expectation at UF, right? Florida is an elite tennis and athletic program and probably COULD do better.

    But, I don't think you could say he has done poorly or should be fired in his 3rd season. Look at their recruiting class for next season. If they add one more guy (they really want Opelka), they could be very good.

    I always say on here there are no bonus points for being a "nice guy" if you are a bad recruiter and bad tennis coach. Bryan is an extremely good tennis coach and person. The culture of the team is A LOT better than it has been in the past. Most importantly, he doesn't cheat. I think he probably gets hurt a bit in the fact that they have taken a tougher stance on importing international players. He wants to win mainly with Americans. In my opinion, with all the parity in college tennis now on the men's side, this is just so hard to do (apart from the obvious teams like UVA).

    I would be surprised if they finish much higher than top 25 this year, which is NOT good for him or for UF tennis. But, I am going to hold out and give him more time. At least he is not Miami ;)
     
  47. Kirijax

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    Ouch. You wound me, Sir.
     
  48. goldy0084

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    Hahahahha sorry! I really like your enthusiasm for UM Tennis and also wish myself they would be a powerhouse again...but it certainly ain't happening on Super Mario's watch. If you were starting a thread for a team like Baylor though, I might barf lol.
     
  49. Kirijax

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    lol Well, you weren't wrong. Miami needs help.
     
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    you see I just think that's a silly arbitrary restriction to put on yourself. Once these guys get to college they are like every other student. The internationals I worked with on the Clemson team were not any less Clemson students than the American ones. They typically buy into the school spirit in all areas just as much and sometimes even more than the Americans.

    Before Virginia established themselves as a consistent powerhouse, they also went for internationals as well as Americans with Inglot, Devvarman, Singh. The point is Florida needs to add some international top guys as well as the top Florida players if they want to be a top 5 program. Look at Southern Cal, a good blend of international and American.

    Not to mention the stylistic advantages of having some internationals. Different areas of the world produce different styles of play (typically). At times, a heavy top spin baseliner from Spain can pose issues for other teams more so than another cookie cutter American big serve big forehand player
     
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