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  1. adil1972

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    who will be the greatest coach of all time

    Nick Bolletri
    Paul Annonance
    Brad Gilbert
    Tim Gulkison
    Tom GUlkison

    or any other
     
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  2. adil1972

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    was it paul annoncae who was sampras coach during later stages of sampras year 2000-2002
     
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  3. sbengte

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    Lendl not on the list ? :neutral:
    Even after he got Andy "will never win a slam" Murray to win a slam in the strongest era ever ?
     
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  4. adil1972

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    yes i forgot lendl
    murray won us open thanks to rain i.e he had rest on sunday while djokovic was playing semifinal on super sunday
    otherwise he would be slamless
     
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  5. Huanita99

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    Jelena Gencic. If you don't understand why I'll be more than happy to explain it to you.OK, j/k but

    This amazing woman trained Goran Ivanisevic, Seles and Djokovic. just crazy. she was able to recognize their talent at a very early age. they won like what 17 slams combined. she is still training young kids and this lady is 76 yo. stunning.
     
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  6. Sabratha

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    What about getting him to nearly win Wimbledon this year and winning the Olympics?
     
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  7. helloworld

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    What?? You meant Paul Annacone right?? Any coach would look good if he gets to work with Sampras and Federer, so I'd have to go with Nick Bollettieri here.
     
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    Peter Carter

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  9. Bobby Jr

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    Tony Roche?

    He took Lendl to the top of the game and then played a key role in Federer's prime also.
     
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  10. Andres

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    Definitely a tie between Bolletri and Annonance. Or was it Paul Annoyance?

    Silly me, Mr. Fapplebottom. Silly me indeed.
     
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  11. Mainad

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    You didn't forget Lendl because he has no business being on your list! He hasn't done anything for Murray because, as you point out, Murray only won the USO because of the rain (or was it the wind, maybe it was the wind AND the rain?) and raced through every single one of his matches due to a p1ss-easy draw while Djokovic had to struggle through every single one of his matches in one of the toughest draws he's ever had to face and thus had no energy left for the final to play a well rested fresh-as-a-daisy Murray!

    Lendl has yet to prove he can get Murray to win a Slam on a nice, warm, windless, cloudless day where he has had to struggle through his draw with a few really tough matches and then face a well rested, relaxed opponent who's just bursting with energy despite coming through an even tougher draw!
     
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  12. Andres

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    This is, like, the longest and most elaborated excuse I have ever read on these boards.
     
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  13. Cup8489

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    How can Bollieteri possibly considered this?

    I dont understand why people consider him such a great coach.
     
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  14. Tammo

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    Larry stefanki? He got Fernando and Andy into shape and improved their BH
     
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  15. President

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    Toni Nadal hasn't been mentioned? He has single handedly molded the game of one of the best players ever, and continues to coach him to this day.
     
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  16. forzamilan90

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    Tio Toni should be a candidate for sure, 11 grand slam titles and counting
     
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  17. Jeepers

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    Lundgren !
     
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  18. kishnabe

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    Harry Hopman...thread end.
     
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  19. Gonzo_style

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    Toni Nadal and Larry Stefanki
     
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  20. sureshs

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    Uncle Toni, who has produced the GOAT, must be the GCOAT.
     
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    LeeD is the GTTCOAT.

    GCOATing day in and day out.

    Helping the 3.5 - 4.0 with their games through the Internet.

    For free.
     
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  22. BobbyOne

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    I only know Brad Gilbert, not the other strange names.

    The greatest coach was without any doubt Harry Hopman.
     
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  23. treblings

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    the OP could be kiki in disguise, with the creative spelling:)
    agreed on Hopman, easy choice
     
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  24. Mustard

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    In terms of majors, it's Tony Roche with 15.

    7 majors with Lendl
    2 majors with Rafter
    6 majors with Federer
     
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  25. BobbyOne

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    Mustard, you forget that Hopman created many more major winners than Roche did.
     
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  26. sureshs

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    As an Australian, he had access to the best students in those days. When he went international, tennis was still dominated by a handful of countries like US and Australia, so he again got the best students.

    It was totally different from today's world where coaches and academies are plentiful.
     
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  27. BobbyOne

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    sureshs, Hopman not only had access to the best students. He also "made" them. Look at the Australian scene after Hopman quit his work with the Aussies: The big dominance of them ended quickly.
     
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  28. Bobby Jr

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    Thanks, I knew you'd chime and back up the Roche suggestion.

    Roche seems a low key coach who, like Annacone, has figured out how to tweak the last couple of percent a player needs. His skills of perception must be fantastic, unlike Bollettieri who I'd consider more down the 'rote learning' end of the coaching scale.

    On that note... I had coaching with Roche a number of times when I was a junior. My career path wasn't quite as epic as the above players but some of his great tips are ingrained in me to this day.
     
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  29. Bobby Jr

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    You could look at this topic another way as well - the coach who made a change in a player which stuck and became a career defining move... Agassi hooking up with Gilbert for example. Gilbert worked Agassi out and was the right guy at just the right time for Agassi.

    Or in a by-stroke setting... the guy who taught Sampras his serve - a shot which became one of the most effective in tennis history - surely warrants some kudos.
     
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  30. Mustard

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    I haven't forgotten it at all. There were a load of Australian players on the biggest stages for decades up to the mid-1970s. There was Norman Brookes and Gerald Patterson early on (and the dominant Tony Wilding from New Zealand, then representing Australasia), but between the 1930s and 1970s, there was a tonne of Australian players - Jack Crawford, Harry Hopman himself, Vivian McGrath, John Bromwich, Adrian Quist, Frank Sedgman, Ken McGregor, Ken Rosewall, Mervyn Rose, Lew Hoad, Ashley Cooper, Mal Anderson, Neale Fraser, Roy Emerson, Rod Laver, Fred Stolle, Tony Roche, John Newcombe, Mark Edmondson, and probably others that I've missed.

    This conveyer belt of top Aussie talent suddenly dried up after the mid-1970s. Since then, there's only really been Pat Cash, Patrick Rafter, Mark Philippoussis and Lleyton Hewitt.
     
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  31. BobbyOne

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    Thanks, Mustard, for your explaining of the Hopman era. I guess you agree that it was more successful than any other coache`s era.
     
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  32. Bobby Jr

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    What about José Higueras? He has success with a number of people over a good span of years.

    Michael Chang 1989 - 1 major (majors earned while coaching player)
    Jim Courier - 1990-97 - 4 majors
    Pete Sampras - 2002 - 1 major
    Roger Federer - 2008 - 1 major

    Plus he coaches major-winning players Sergi Bruguera and Carlos Moya; as well as Todd Martin and a few others.

    He also coached players to three Davis Cup wins > 1992 and 1995 with Jim Courier and 2006 with Dmitry Tursunov.
     
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  33. Mustard

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    Was Jose Higueras still with Sampras when he won the 2002 US Open? I know Paul Annacone was back with Sampras by then, but Higueras was no stranger to being one of two coaches (as Higueras and Brad Stine both coached Courier).

    On another note, was Higueras still with Federer at the 2008 US Open?
     
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  34. Bobby Jr

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    Unknown to both of those questions... I think he was still with Federer but not sure about Sampras in 2002.

    Regardless, he had a good run of top players - better than most. Maybe he's a good "Winston Wolf" type coach, a trouble-shooter and problem solver.
     
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  35. kishnabe

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    Jose was with Federer only at the 2008 French Open.
     
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    I thought I had posted an ironic smilie at the end of it! :wink:
     
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  37. ollinger

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    Seems a little silly to read here that someone like Tony Roche, for example, is in the running for GCOAT because his disciples won 15 slam singles titles, as if he were the guy who developed Federer and Lendl into slam contenders. No, if you want to go by the numbers, Richard Williams is the GCOAT. His disciples have won 22 slam singles titles, 26 slam doubles titles (13 events as a team), 4 slam mixed titles, and a nice bunch of olympic medals. More to the point, and this concerns the essence of coaching, Richard started with children who didn't know which end of the racquet to hold and made them into world champions. One can hardly say the same about people like Roche, Lendl, Gilbert, and the others who started with highly regarded pros. Hopman had great success but was more a Davis Cup coach who set a standard of physical conditioning for players, many of whom had their own coaches.
     
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  38. sureshs

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    He was certainly known for his insistence on physical fitness.

    How much of a stroke teacher was he?
     
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  39. kiki

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    He owns left right rest of coaches
     
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    Surprised he wasn't listed earlier...several generations of Aussie & American champions from pre-Laver through McEnroe & Vitas. RIP, Mr. Hop!
     
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  41. Mustard

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    You may have a point with Federer, as Federer was already a 4-time major winner when Roche came into his camp, but not with the others. Lendl improved massively under Roche as Lendl had only been an underachieving 1-time major winner at the time despite winning a load of non-major tournaments. Rafter became a major winner under Roche, winning 2 US Open titles, and challenging for the title at other majors.
     
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  42. BeHappy

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    The best coach in my opinion is Peter Lundgren. Roche is good too. When they coach players the player always plays good strategic tennis, their technique improves etc. The jury's still out on Higueres.
     
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