Genesis Black Magic

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  1. bad_call

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    that's why i prefer permanent press. :)
     
  2. Power Player

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    I can now do full poly jobs that are accurate in tension and cleanly executed in 35 minutes.

    Yes I am proud of myself..lol. Makes stringing so much better now. Thank you Stringway.
     
  3. Torres

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    II've gone through another 4 sets of this now.

    I think this is a great playing poly.

    Just offers eveything - spin, power, control, touch, feel, crispness - and when all put together it allows for a tremendous variety of shotmaking. Big flat serves, biting slices, jumping kick serves, long/short ground game, sharp angles or depth, low/high trajectories, controlled droppers, spin or flat hitting - the whole enchilada is there. Up the tension and you get tighter trajectories, lower the tensions and obviously more length. Heavy balls are the end product, particularly when this string is fresh.

    The only sting in the tail - and its a big sting in the tail - is that for me, its dead at around the 5 hour mark and it really is dead dead with most if not all of the original goodness having gone out of it. Performance drop off is very marked.

    The flipside I suppose is that a reel is pretty cheap, so you want a great poly and don't mind restringing once or twice a week....
     
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  4. blackfrido

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    Black Magic is one of the worst strings I played in my life....I did not find any good on this brand
     
  5. Torres

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    Some people think natural gut is terrible and has no control because they keep on firing the ball into the back fence. Others think Alu doesn't produce any spin.

    There's no accounting for taste.
     
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  6. Murray_fan1

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    Torres,

    How do you find the Black Magic plays compared to the likes of Scorpion and Silversting? I just ordered some more of the BM along with some Scorpion and Solinco Outlast.
     
  7. Torres

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    Personally, I think Black Magic outperforms both in terms of outright performance and sheer range of shotmaking, though I should qualify that by saying that my experience of Scorpion and Silverstring was in a different racquet compared to what I'm using at the moment.

    That said, I would still be confident that Black Magic would offer more outright performance in the same racquet. Scorpion is a string I do like - smooth, consistent, predictable, nice feel etc - but Black Magic offers noticeably more spin with the additional variety that that entails. Silverstring, I was underwhelmed by.
     
  8. blackfrido

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    you are totally right , and I agree with that statement. It's a matter of taste, very subjective is to pick the right string.
    What happens is, this string in particular "black Magic" deserves that comment from me.....
    I did not fell any MAGIC at all, it's an average string (or below)
     
  9. Nostradamus

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    Genesis black magic is pretty good string. I would compare this to technifiber black code without the spin potential.
     
  10. Torres

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    LOL, a minute ago you were saying it was the worse string in the world, now you're saying its average.

    Forgive me, if I don't take your credibility seriously.
     
  11. mikeler

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    As a main in a hybrid, I thought BM was too springy and lacked the spin of other polys. Perhaps a full job is where this string shines.
     
  12. Torres

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    Yes, that's correct. Full bed all the way is the way to go with this string. With a hybrid, the nylon would just increase string friction and reduce spin, as well as adding an unnecessary amount of power, neither of which is necessary with this string. It would be like watering down champagne ;-)
     
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  13. blackfrido

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    what about in between? :) It's really bad for me, just for me. Is that clear now?
     
  14. Torres

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    Played 2 ratings matches earlier today with a Wilson Juice Pro strung with Genesis Black Magic 17. Two hard fought wins; 30% satifisfaction, 70% relief, and 0% fun.

    But I am absolutely loving this string.

    The blend of spin, power, control, forgiveness and variety of shotmaking is just fantastic and complements the solid, beefy heft of the racquet perfectly. I just love ripping the ball with this string.

    At times during my two matches, I did occasionally hanker for a solid flatter hitting string like the Discho Iontec Salmon, particularly in situations where I want to flatten the ball and hit through the court for an attempted winner, rather than the greater spin orientation of Black Magic, but horses for courses really because I don't think I would trade Iontec's flatter hitting for Black Magic's variety and spin (and margins), even if the latter doesn't feel as satisfying at thumping a flat ball through the court. But I do now have a 5-0 matchplay record with this string, so its none too shabby in terms of results.

    In terms of tension 50lbs CP does feel a bit low for the stick I use and my style of play though. My vibe damp was more of an 'O' shape rather than an '0'. Going back to my original 52lbs which offers bit more control at the marginal expense of some power.

    Just a real shame really that the string dies so quick. It at its best when fresh, and given that it seems to lose a fair bit of tension, a starting tension of 52lbs seems to better to me than 50lbs. Well suited to tournament play, because its at its best when fresh, so you can string up a couple racquets before a tournament and everything's good to go. Like I say though, its just a shame that performance seems to drop off so quickly and the string go dead (for me anyway).

    Even though I have a reel of 17, I'm going to buy a couple of sets of 16 to see how that differs.

    Kudos to Drakulie for starting his thread about this string (which brought it to my attention) and sticking to his guns with regard to his (and RSI's) positive opinion of this string.
     
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  15. Chotobaka

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    Co-sign. BM has been in my string rotation since it was first introduced. I have used it on a wide variety of racquets and at different tensions. I've tried hybrids, but always come back to a full bed. Not only does it perform better, as Torres indicated, but hybrids are no more benign. There is no reason not to go full bed.
     
  16. zapvor

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    i didint like black magic in my main setup. too mushy. black hex and heptonic are what i prefer. but i snap both in less than 10hrs =/
     
  17. Torres

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    Sure. Everyone has their own tastes. But if you want a firmer stringbed, string it higher because the string is actually comfortable yet crisp at higher tension (or should I say, higher mid tensions) and definitely not mushy, particularly when you hit through the strings. And just to lend some context to your comments, you're that NTRP 2.0 guy with the baggy pants that repeatedly posts indoor match videos in the Tips/Instruction section are you not? Videos that show you repeatedly hitting the ball into the ceiling, into the side fence, hitting the ball long, into the net, with high pitched squeeling with every miss etc. I agree that Black Magic definitely isn't for you.
     
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  18. JackB1

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    how can this string be usable for rec players, since it dies so quickly?
     
  19. Torres

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    What do you mean? If you're referring to it not lasting weeks or months at a time, then just restring it. Obviously no one wants to spend money if they don't have to but roughly $10 a week is not going to break the bank. At the end of the day its individual choice. Some people won't mind that cost for the performance it offers. Some people may prefer something longer lasting and trade some performance. Others will play with a dead poly. Polys don't generally last a long time unfortunately.
     
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  20. Nostradamus

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    Agree, jack. people doesn't like to cut out the string after just few hours of play. It doesn't matter if it only costs $10. For the string to be considered premium, it should play for at least 10-12 hours and retain playability.
     
  21. Torres

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    Then people need to stop buying RPM Blast or Lux Alu because according to your phenomenally flawed definition, they are not premium strings.
     
  22. Murray_fan1

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    Still very happy with Black Magic. I have a bought a couple set of Scorpion, Outlast and a set of Poly Break to compare against it.
     
  23. drakulie

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    I get about 8-10 hours of hitting out of the string, which consists of drilling. String is lively, with good power, produces good spin, and control. To add, is very comfortable.

    Much better string than "higher-end" strings like RPM, which is the most over-hyped piece of crap on the market, costs twice as much, can't hold tension, and dies with-in a day or two.
     
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    This past spring, I changed racquets from YTPP to Wilson Pro Open. So, over the summer I have been trying out new string to see if anything plays better than my go-to string - Genesis Black Magic 17.

    I have tried: BHBR, BHB7, Scorpion, B5E, Cyclone, Tour Bite, & 4G

    I have definitely liked/disliked things about all of these strings.

    I strung my Pro Open up yesterday with the GBM, and played 2 sets. The Black Magic felt fantastic as usual. It's just a great overall string with no weaknesses that seems to be perfect for my game. I'm on the end of my second reel of this stuff, and will likely buy another one.
     
  25. zapvor

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    totally agree. the hype for rpm is just stupid. way overpriced
     
  26. Chotobaka

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    Hoping to log a few more hours on my BM. I have 2 hours that I got in a week ago and that is about it.
     
  28. Murray_fan1

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    Any Black Magic fans have a chance to hit with Solinco Outlast? Two hours in, and I must say it as very similar playing characteristics to BM. I would be interested in hearing what others have to say.
     
  29. Grut

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    Hello, someone can compare the black magic with luxilon 4g?
     
  30. Chace

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    To me black magic is softer, more pop and more spin. Maintains tension better. I use the 17g and get around 7-8 hours out of it before it breaks. There are other polys out there that have more pop or spin but to me black magic is just a solid all around string.
     
  31. purple-n-gold

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    Naw...no way it holds tension better than 4G. I like BM and can get @ 8 useful hours but its performance drops off at 3-4 hr mark. My first set of 4G got 10 really good hours and I still have it in one of my frames, granted it's dead but has 20hrs on it. BM has that plastic feeling when its dead the 4G does not.
     
  32. Nostradamus

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    Yea, i hit with both. to me, Luxilon 4g was superior string. had more pop than Black magic. They both had good control, but with Luxilon 4G, i could get that extra power i need to put the ball away from difficult positions. where with black magic, when i try to get that extra zip on my shot, i was losing control and balls would go wide or long--ie, hitting shots on the run.

    Perhaps this is due to superior ability for spin production of Luxilon 4G string that keeps the ball in the court when going for extra power. Overall, they are both very soft and arm friendly strings, with Luxilon being superior quality.

    but you do have to keep price differential in mind. Luxilon 4G does cost a little more so maybe that makes these two strings about even. You be the judge.
     
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    Also Agree with this post. Luxilon 4G played with original fresh strung quality of shot production much longer than BM. I say about 10-16 hours. just depends on how heavy you hit the ball, i think.
     
  34. Rabbit

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    A little more :confused:

    4G is $16.95/set and $245/reel

    BM is $7.90/set and $89.90/reel

    That's twice the price for a set and three times the price of a reel!

    lol
     
  35. bad_call

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    for the math/logic challenged...buy 4G sets. :)
     
  36. Nostradamus

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    yea but if can keep the 4G on your racket twice as long as BM then isn't the price differential worth it ?
     
  37. Torres

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    Most people in the blind string test thought that 4G was disctinctly average. Some people thought it played like crap. If you want to keep an average or crap string in your racquet for twice as long and for almost 3 times the price, then thats up you. Also the pros seem to be using it not as a full bed but as a hybrid, or as a cross with natural gut mains, and its not as if Serena wasn't spraying the ball all over the place in the USO final with her setup.

    Put the cost of gut into the equation, and you're looking at something that's 6 times the price, with the strings having to be cut out when the poly cross dies. Doesn't make sense does it? Then again, you don't say much that makes sense.
     
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  38. rodrigoamaral

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    Did you forget that Fedace/Nostradamus went to Stanford??? They teach you that 1+1= 4, at least at the Stanford that he went to.... I just hope he wasn't a Math major there..

    Back on topic, this is a great string and has an excellent price/performance ratio... not my string of choice due to its softness but a good string for sure
     
  39. purple-n-gold

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    Purchased my 4G for @ $12/set for the record.
     
  40. bad_call

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    yeah...that's kinda what i would do. how bout u?
     
  41. bad_call

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    now that's the way to shop. :)
     
  42. drakulie

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    You can't, they snap at about the same time.
     
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  43. bad_call

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    hmmm.........
     
  44. drakulie

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    Yeah, that's a perfect example of someone who should be using multis or other synthetics, not poly strings.
     
  45. bad_call

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    who? ...purple-n-gold?
     
  46. mikeler

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    I think you mean Standford.
     
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    I would say that anyone wha has a poly in their racquet for 20 hours of play is simply isnt getting the benefit of the string. As we all know, poly dies long before that mark. Secondly, to get the main benefit of a poly (spin), one has to have very high swing speed, which would most of the time result in the poly breaking long before it has come close to 20 hours.
     
  48. purple-n-gold

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    mmmm....

    I've been testing strings and rotate 3 sticks during play. Not playing with the old 4G but I would quess it had around 15 hrs on it, mostly doubles play. FWIW went through syn gut and multi jobs in a week a few yrs ago,only playing 2-3xweek hence the need of a more durable main, as well to tame ALL my power:)
     
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  49. Gus88

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    close call, but i have to say outlast over BM.
     
  50. purple-n-gold

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    so how long does it take you to snap poly jolly??
     

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