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  1. Lakers4Life

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    They still make them. I've asked USRSA, and they say it's OK to use a Prince POG. They also recomended a Wilson Kfactor/BLX 6.1. Any racket is fair game as long as you bring grommets. I was wondering about using an O-Port racket.
     
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  2. fortun8son

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    O-Ports do not qualify. I asked. :)
     
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    POG Mids and Wilson 6.1s are among the easiest frames I've strung.

    I'm considering getting certified in the near future, because I don't have enough on my plate already...
     
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  4. ten11

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    questions, more questions.

    After reading through the requirement, seems the stringing/grommet replacing/grip size enlarge are all set. I know what it is and what need to be done. just need to practice a little bit more.

    Regarding written test, is that all covered in the materials? (The pdf and the supplement.) Do I need to memorize all those things? Just want to check how much time I need to prepare for the test.

    For those of you have take the test, did you pass in first try? which part give you problem? What to watch for? Thanks a lot.
     
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  5. mad dog1

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    i don't find CAPs to be hard to install. i haven't had much trouble with babolat grommets either. try replacing the PT280 grommets with YT radical MP grommets. this one took time, elbow grease and the heat gun w/ plenty of curse words in between to get the bumper guard holes lined up w/ the drilled holes in the racquet. i think it was the tongue lashing i gave the bumper guard that was the most effective. ;)

    as L4L mentioned, the POG grommets are the easiest to replace. they were made to drop right in. i was even able to do one w/o using an awl.

    well if they only allow you 19.5' of syn gut to use, then i guess you'd have to use that length. up to you if you want to string a 14x18 or 16x19 instead of a 18x20. all syn gut i've strung is very elastic. 19.5' of poly for a 18x20 MP stick would be cutting it really tight. might only leave you with a 9" tail or shorter to use to tie off.
     
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  6. Lakers4Life

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    Lucky you, the GSS String Symposium is close by. You can get certified during the event.
     
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  7. cluckcluck

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    Unfortunately I'd have to drive a couple of hours to San Diego to get certified.
     
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  8. Wikky

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    I didn't look at the PDF that was listed but I did not do any studying for the written test and I felt like it was pretty passable by anyone who's had a decent understanding of stringing and equipment. There were some parts about string properties that were a little tough but you do have some room for error as I think that over an 80% is a pass.

    If you have any questions about any information feel free to ask. I need to refresh on some of it myself before I take it in April anyways.
     
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  9. ten11

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    That screwed cap was the first two I did. Since then I learnt to use my patience and took a deep breath if I stuck. used those words in first two jobs and actually those words did not do any magic.
    I will keep in mind of putting regular onto PT280. I have bunch(7) of those rackets now and quite happy with the cap, but you never know.
    Thanks for the advise.
     
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    Yeah, that's part of the driving force behind wanting to get certified. If I had to travel, it would be out of the question.
     
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  11. themitchmann

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    It's a great event. I went this past year, though I had already tested. They do have ERSA testing as well.
     
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    From what I read, the test racquet you supply must be no more than 3 years old. But it sounds like they are saying a POG is valid, I guess because it is still being manufactured.

    But....do I have to bring in a POG that is manufactured within 3 years, or can I bring one that is 20 years old??
     
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  13. Lakers4Life

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    As long as you bring a grommet set with it, you'll be fine. But bring a back up just in case.
     
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  14. zapvor

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    i agree. but according to you then, those tournament stringers who turn around nadal's frame in 13min are not doing a good job then right? fast time does not mean it sacrifice quality.
     
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  15. Wikky

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    My guess, I'm probably off but hopefully not much, is that there are only 200 stringers in the world who can do a nadal frame to tournament quality standards in 13 minutes or less. Of those 200 there are maybe only 50 who can do that after doing 25 previously that day.

    From what i've seen there is... 10 members on this board who fit into the first 200 and I think 4 that fit into the 50. And I wouldn't be surprised at all if none of those 4 had their MRT.

    ... I had a point I was going to make but I forgot. Oh well.
     
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  16. zapvor

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    you are right. certification does really mean anything. anyone can get certified to teach. i guess federer would be a terrible player to learn from
     
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  17. fortun8son

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    Close, but no cigar.
    I think stringwalla and uk skippy are among the elite and they're both MRTs.
     
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  18. MAX PLY

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    There's absolutely nothing in my post that implies that. I was merely discussing what the certification test does and doesn't do--my sole point was that speeding through a string job is not what the USRSA is attempting to test. I was not comparing pro tournament stringers at all since it really is not topical. Of course, experienced tournament stringers who can turn around a frame in such a time do a good job--but then again they are all very experienced stringers who have already mastered the quality job and through experience can do it quickly. You are quite right, a fast time does not necessarily sacrifice quality but that is really only generally true for the top notch experienced stringers--not the average applicant taking the certification test.
     
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  19. Wikky

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    Are MRTs or had their MRTs? I'm sure everyone who strings at pro tours has had their MRT but i'm not sure if they renew them every year.
     
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  20. zapvor

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    i was also directly replying to your post. you never seperated the pro stringers from the others in your original post. furthermore, you said things about 'good advertising point', 'no extra credit for going fast', 'every burn was visible'

    advertising point: good players know that certification means less than real experience.
    no extra credit: lets just say i have experience with getting extra credit for going fast:)
    every burn was visible: again, you are implying going fast means there will be issues, such as burning,etc. which means you are not at the certain level other stringers have gotten to. which is fine. i dont hit like roger either:)
     
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  21. fortun8son

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    Experience counts, but what if they've been doing it wrong for 15 years?
    The USRSA tests for a minimum standard of knowledge and competence.

    I've not gone to take the test and I may not, but I know I could pass.
    Does this make me a top- notch stringer?
    Not at all, but at least I know not to string all of the short side first, pull two strings at once, and tie off with a single half hitch.
    Many stringers get faulty instruction and practice their lousy technique for years.

    I've seen many a horrible stringjob and weights placed willy-nilly on the frame.
    Some of them by teaching pros who know just enough racquet tech to be dangerous.
     
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  22. kkm

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    Before mounting the racquet at least pretend to inspect it for damage.
    And hold the grommet in place when tensioning the first string on each side which exits the lower frame outside the throat.
     
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  23. ten11

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    Thank you very much. That is what I like to hear. I was thinking about the first part as well. Just like take a driving test, gonna adjust the seat and mirror. But second point is valuable. Out of all the rackets I have strung, only the latest blx95 16x18 need to do it, but now I am going to try to do it on every single racket and make it a habit. (otherwise natural gut could already snapped before you realize you need to hold on it. I think the test is valuable! It is all about good practice.)
     
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  24. zapvor

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    i think you are missing my point. let me try to say it this way then. certification is not a good reflection of one's ability. it's only one method of measurement. for example, 95% people pass the driving test. how many % are actually good drivers? 50%? being certified in driving does not reflect real world action. same for teaching. a certain % passes teaching certification. how many good teachers are there? all of them that passed the test? same for everything else. some guy gets certified in computer sci. there's 14yr old kids out there not have never read a single page of a exam prep book that are hacking into way more tough things than the guy with all the computer certifications. i can go on forever. certifications are just that.
     
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  25. domosborn

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    Anyone here know much about the UKRSA? Heard that Liam who runs the course is a good guy but I'm a bit concerned I won't be able to keep up with the course, I'm a OK stringer (I think) Nothing amazing but I can do a few knots, patterns etc and decent consistency- worried about the adjusting weight/building grips etc, anyone do this course with or without previous experience, I am not a complete beginner to this but nearly, would I able to keep up?

    (as I student think i would prefer a written exam a la MRT haha :p )
     
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  26. Lakers4Life

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    I think you want to contact Liam directly and ask him. I heard he has stringing seminars, all over the UK, but don't quote me on that.
     
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  27. zapvor

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    you will be fine. as long as you are into it and want to learn it will come easy
     
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  28. fortun8son

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    zapfor, I get your point and I don't disagree.
    Just having the cert does not make one a good stringer.
    OTOH, a good stringer is aware of the techniques that they test for and probably uses them.
     
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  29. Dags

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    TT poster Ash_Smith knows plenty about UKRSA - he may have even gone as far as teaching some of the courses. You could try leaving him a message in the general UK thread:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=353491

    or drop him an email. He's a super-helpful guy.
     
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  30. zapvor

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    cool man. sorry for misunderstanding
     
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