Get off the courts!

Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by TTMR, Feb 17, 2013.

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Did I deal with this so-called 'coach' properly?

  1. Yes. Adult matches take priority over lessons on public courts.

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  2. Yes, but you should have gone further and called the police on him.

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  3. No, he had the courts: You should have waited until 11, found other courts or gone home.

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  4. No, he should have called the police on you. He had the courts and you forced him off.

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  1. tennis tom

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    In NorCal it would have been San Quentin. Eager to know what the others are, would help with my plea-bargaining--any with golf?--Lompoc?
     
  2. goober

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    Give him some time, he needs to do a google search before he answers. :)
     
  3. tennisbuck

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    This was exactly what i was thinking
     
  4. sundaypunch

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    The only "making up" the OP has apparently done is of this story.
     
  5. tennisdad65

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    voted for option 3. you gotta give kids priority.
     
  6. TTMR

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    It was a juvenile detention facility. I will not reveal any further information, as I fear my personal privacy could be compromised.

    Thank you. I am glad I am not alone in this. Perhaps other people here live in more harmonious communities, where decency and respect reign. In my area, it's dog eat dog. I am edified that someone else relates to my experience.
     
  7. TennisDawg

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    The coach has poor social skills. In his defense though it is likely the kids have no other courts available to them. The coach is filling a void and is actually providing a public service by engaging these kids in some useful constructive activity. Better to be on the tennis courts than to hangout at a street corner skate boarding, smoking who knows what else. I would have confronted the coach on his manners and just replied to him something like "okay easy, you don't have to get nasty about it" As far as the poor tennis technique you noticed a lot of coaches don't know how to hit the ball correctly themselves and even if they do, it's really hard, try teaching a large group correct technique sometime.
     
  8. Rjtennis

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    The guy have have an arrangement with the city to use the courts, that happens all the time. Like you said private courts are expensive and the kids should take precedence over an adult practice match. It doesn't even sound like you where playing an official league match. On the other hand if they weren't using the court, he shouldn't have had a problem giving one up.
     
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  9. bluetrain4

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    I understand your frustration, but yeah, in a lot of places you can actually reserve public courts. "Public" doesn't necessarily mean available to everybody at all times without restriction.

    I live in a city with only 1 decent public tennis facility - a 12 court facility in a very nice park. But, people reserve it for small tennis events, one of the high schools reserves it for dual matches and tournaments, it is used for lessons, and of course, park district tennis programs. Basically, some of the courts are regularly reserved.

    So, again, I understand with the limited courts you have, it has to be frustrating, but it's hardly a crazy notion that the courts won't always be available.
     
  10. TomT

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    Well, the way you describe it, I understand your indignation, but the kids were actually on the court that you played on before you. So, it's their court for however long the rule is at that public court.

    However, it sounds like the 'coach' was unnecessarily rude and just didn't handle it very well. I would probably have become pissed at him as well.

    Still, the rule at public courts is pretty clear. First come first served. Neither lessons nor adult matches has priority. At least not at my public courts.

    Actually, I'm not sure it even matters if the kids were actually on the court you played on before you. The fact is that the kids who were on the same court as you were at the courts before you and were, in effect, ahead of you in the 'waiting line'. Either way you parse it, you should have waited. So, that's what I voted for. And that 'coach' should learn how to deal with situations like this a lot better than he did.

    Just my two cents.
     
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  11. TennisDawg

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    I had a similar arrangement with the city when I coached HS Tennis years ago. I posted the reservation times and dates on all 5 courts. I needed all 5 courts because I had anywhere from 20 to 24 kids on the courts for two hours. I had a few people confront me on it and I simply apologize to them and referred them to the sign with a city official and phone number to talk to, this was posted on all 5 courts. The way I see it the kids took priority and I'm not talking ranked juniors here. I am saying though that they were every bit as excited about playing tennis as a ranked junior. The problem with letting someone use an available court is that I could only make it available for 10 minutes or so then we had either a challenge match or drills. Most people understood occasionally I would have a few comments but I managed to diffuse it. We also played all of our HS matches on these courts. While I am symphathatic I had to have the courts for practice and Region play. I felt I was serving the public as it was for very little money.
     
  12. TTMR

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    Frankly, an overweight clod has no business pretending to teach children of any age a sport. If you can't even learn how to avoid the candy bar aisle at the grocery store, how can you expect someone to learn the game (which requires match play, which requires fitness) well enough to instruct? In fact, having the rotund around children provides a bad influence, giving the kids the impression that being fat is "normal" and "ok", when in reality it is unhealthy, dangerous and repugnant to the human eye.

    I look forward to the day when medical treatment is based on how well one has treated his body. An overeater like him has no business getting the same standard of care as a stud like me.
     
  13. IA-SteveB

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    Jesus. See a psychiatrist, please.
     
  14. slowfox

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    I say we give the boot to Santa Claus too. This thread rocks ! :)
     
  15. TTMR

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    Cultural icons like Santa Claus and programs like The Biggest Loser glorify the obese. It is imperative children not be exposed to these engorged figures.
     
  16. TennisDawg

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    The original poll has nothing to do with what the post has morphed into. I think the poll should have been more like this!


    Yes. superior studs are wonderful and should take priority over anyone else on public courts.

    Yes, superior studs should go further and have anyone else not a superior stud incarcerated.

    No, he had the courts: But, if you're a superior stud you can still kick him and the kids off the court.

    No, he should have called the police on you. But, the police would have quickly realized you are a superior stud and kicked him and the youngsters off the court.

    and choice E:

    Never, rule against a superior stud as he is superior. The superior stud feels superior, well because he is just that superior and well also elite.
     
  17. Rob_C

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    From the quote above, in addition to the OP, it seems to me like there were two empty courts that the coach wanted to reserve, and he called the kids over to try to guilt the OP into leaving.
     
  18. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Yep, coaches who are overweight are worthless. Somebody go fire just about all NFL and NBA coaches then.

    A good coach does more than just hitting with the student(s).
     
  19. TennisDawg

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    Yes, someone should contact John Madden and Bill Parcels and confiscate their Super Bowl trophies. They should be banished from the NFL record book and never be allowed to utter the words NFL ever again.

    And Dennis Rodman would have been one of the all time greatest NBA coaches and a great role model for kids, simply because Rodman was a stud. " Hey wait kids it doesn't matter that he drinks a lot or just got arrested for illegal possession, he's a stud " hahaha!
     
  20. yonexpurestorm

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    in irvine it is a misdemeanor to give private lessons on a public court without paying the city for court time
     
  21. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    ah, yes, the genius that is TTMR

    and STILL they fall!

    :)
     
  22. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    I know, I actually find him very funny.

    TTMR has a real understanding of what pushes people's buttons around here, you should see some of his threads in 'pro player discussion'

    hilarious
     
  23. muddlehead

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    ..."9 or 10 kids". Lets say 10. Three courts is enough for 10 kids. Can't hog all 4. Next. (Can't be too many February days in Winnipeg when you can play the tennis, eh?)
     
  24. LeeD

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    Comes down to...who pays more money into the system?
    Because, if we don't have enough courts for everyone, why introduce MORE tennis players into the scrum?
     
  25. bosssauce

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    the OP was so wrong to do this
     
  26. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    If the OP doesn't get this 9 pages in, then s/he is not going to get it, ever.
     
  27. pingu

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    If that were me, I'd waited for the class, and as I found, most of the time, they'll let me play after a few minutes of waiting. It's all depends on how you approach the situation.
     
  28. TTMR

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    I don't know. There are times to say "live and let live", and there are times where you must assert your "eminent domain" where others have misused a scarce public resource.

    Sometimes courts must be seized for the greater good.
     
  29. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    LOL!!

    I just love how so many of these bozos take you seriously..
     
  30. MethodTennis

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    You were an idiot also what has this got to do with the coaches weight or coaching ability. Cheap digs, not cool.
     
  31. bosssauce

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    HAHAH NOOOOO
     
  32. storypeddler

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    I spent a few summers working with various P&R departments in tennis programs for kids. Mostly you get kids whose parents are glad to pay little or nothing to have their kids busy doing something semi-constructive during the summer. A few learn a little, a few learn nothing at all, and most just run around, hit some balls with their friends, and get some exercise. But the point is that if it IS a P&R program then the city lpeople ikely get whatever aduts they can to work with the kids for whatever paltry sum they can afford to pay. This guy may very well have been a jerk and a clown. I'll take your word for that. Don't know if he was working for the city in a legit program or running a scam, as you say. But there are better ways to handle the situation than you used. At the end of the day, I'm not sure how your behavior in front of the kids was any better than his. You both seemed to have engaged in a big p---ing contest fueled more by testosterone than by any sense of right and wrong. Nobody ultimately wins in this scenario---least of all the kids.
     
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    And if he WAS working for a P&R program, you helped teach these kids that as long as you act like a bully, you are free to do whatever you want, take whatever you want, etc. The issue isn't the quality of his instruction. That isn't your call to make. If he was working as part of a legit program, YOU were the jerk and YOU were wrong. And you didn't even bother to find out whether or not he WAS legit before you got all high and mighty. Poorly handled.
     
  34. bosssauce

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    Your are very rude and mean you shouldnt point him on his problems because didnt you say you were in juvi?
     
  35. Praetorian

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    +1

    tenchars
     
  36. slowfox

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    This thing is still going... epic!
     
  37. storypeddler

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    I apologize...

    Let me take this opportunity to apologize to all concerned for my foolishness in replying to this idiot's trolling post. I should have read his comments on the pages that followed his initial post. Another name added to my "IGNORE" list on this message board.
     
  38. TTMR

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    You don't know the circumstances I was in. It was a crime of passion. Should a person's entire character be judged by one incident? Fortunately, I have long since reformed and made myself into a better, and as I mentioned before, more contemplative person. I've learned to put others ahead of myself.

    I don't know, but this is why I don't have an organ donor card in my wallet. I don't want my kidneys harvested from my sublime physique only to have them inserted into some type 2 diabetic. They abused theirs; they're not entitled to mine.
     
  39. roman40

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    If you have a group of people, each person in a group is entitled to a court, even kids, so technically the coach can reserve all the courts, using the students as a proxy. However, usually, when someone is waiting, you cannot hold the court for more than an hour (the time limit may be different). In this situation, if you just arrived, you have to wait for at least as long as that time limit, because you were told upon arrival that the group needed the courts, and they arrived there before you did. No reservation necessary.

    However, I would still like to know if reservation was possible or not, from the original post, it wasn't clear. Some public courts can be reserved ahead of time, and if the city required the coach to pay fees, it's not clear if he did so or not, but you have to assume he did without any contradictory information.
     
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  40. nocturn11

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    "Sublime"?

    Keep in mind that some people have genetic predilections that dictate their weight, no matter their efforts to the opposite.
     
  41. breezybee

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    Given that I live in the same city as the OP I can tell you that the city owned courts here are used frequently for city-run programs ie. children's tennis programs. I've seen them frequently in the summer here. Guaranteed, if the OP's story is even true, that is what happened which means he is completely and utterly in the wrong.
     
  42. sovertennis

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    Completely agree. The children should have seated themselves near the courts and watched in silent awe as the OP and his partner played. Later (but only if they watched the whole match) they could get autographs and the OP could tell them how he handles minor conflicts and never, never allows them to escalate into moronic arguments.
     
  43. TTMR

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    So I found out this week that due to lack of registrants, a few leagues have been merged together, and guess who's in mine! I'm scheduled to play him May 17th, barring snow.
     
  44. pbalderas

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    I cant wait to hear the results of the match! How ironic!

    But for the record I agree with what you did. I hate court bullies who use PUBLIC courts to teach and make $. Not fair to tax payers. I would have done the exact same thing.
     
  45. IA-SteveB

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    If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you. You'll have to help the OP find a new home, though. :)
     
  46. tennisfan829

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    wow TTMR sounds like a total d-bag and someone I would not associate with.
    maybe just different personalities but I am very non-confrontational and as soon as the guy mentioned reserved courts then I would have just left and found another court or did something else instead.
     
  47. dizzlmcwizzl

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    I nominate this for post of the day.
     
  48. omega4

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    I've seen better.
     
  49. Readers

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    The court itself would have a sign for it in the city I live, and even then, it's only 1/3 of the courts, never heard of all public courts can be taken by a single coach.

    Plus, why should he assume there would be a sign when there was IN FACT, NO SIGN.
     
  50. Readers

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    I agree with your post 100%.
     
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