Getting OFF the poly bandwagon.

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  1. sansaephanh

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    I think i'm just gonna go cold turkey. I haven't found better spin or lasting playability yet, but I'm honestly not on the level that i should be using it.

    I've finally come to terms with my own humanity. Even as I type I have doubts that I will find anything close to bhbr, but I guess I should be 4.5+ for poly like everyone suggests.

    I'm going to be glad not worry about equipment as much, THATs for sure.

    I'm kinda scared about how to go about this. Just buy a reel of synth gut and live averagely ever after?

    Wish me luck lol.
     
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  2. maxpotapov

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    Synth gut is high maintenance due to frequent restringing. I could hardly play two hitting sessions with full synthetic gut, because playability dropped significantly after 2-3 hours of hitting. And I quickly got tired of restringing every other day.

    Full natural gut or some nat gut / poly hybrid will give you peace of mind for 20+ hours, if you are 4.5 or below. And will be economical too, unless you shank too much too often ($30+ string job will surely motivate you to watch the ball more closely)
     
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  3. Ashley D

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    Lol, Sans I bought a whole reel of BHBR based on your recommendation, and now you're leaving me out in the cold! I'm joking, obviously. I played with Head RIP control for many years and loved it. It frays, but doesn't seem to lose playability.
     
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  4. sansaephanh

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    I don't take care of my rackets enough to warrant gut. I leave them around the house and in the car. I play in sun, rain, or drive bys. (its Nor Cal so it changes every 30 minutes.)

    Yeah... I went through an experiment on 3 of my rebels. All forten sweet 17. I was hitting with some GOOD 4.0s. I had to counter punch everything back and dig out rally balls for goodness sakes! Each racket... the string started moving pretty massively after 30-40 mins. I kind of don't wanna go back to synthetic lol. I'm thinking of going for mid priced synthetics and multis for less string movement.

    Ahaha. I am definitely going to try rip 16 and 17. Probably PPA as well just from mikelers thread.

    Hows the BHBR treating you Ash? I miss it just thinking about it. What gauge?
     
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  5. maxpotapov

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    That's where I am right now, PPA 16 @ 50 lbs in Mid Plus 18x20 frame. Price/durability is excellent, comfort is good, power and spin are mediocre.
    I guess, once you got used to how poly (such as BHBR) bites the ball it is almost impossible to go back to any multis. Unless you hit predominantly flat, of course. After trying some full beds of multis recently, I found that my only possible option in terms of playability (spin, power, comfort) and durability is natural gut/poly.
     
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    I was actually racking my brain towards Gamma Ruff and Dunlop Hexy Fibre. Both textured and seem to have decent bite, but I can't find alot of good reviews. Most people seem to use hexy fiber as a cross, which I can't totally understand, because its a multi, which means it notches and frays faster AND its textured so wouldnt it decrease the main's "snapping" potential?

    Either way, I really don't want to give up the bite. It's even tougher that BHBR comes out to 5.50 a set in reel and dunlop hexy comes out as 6, but with probably a ton less lasting playability.

    SEE?? I"M TALKING MY WAY OUT OF GIVING UP POLY ALREADY! SOMEONE STOP ME lol.
     
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    I got 17g to hybrid with 17g Klip Kicker in my Rebel 95. Unfortunatley, I'm headed for my second knee surgery in 13months, so I haven't been able to even use it yet. I'm only 32 and surgery on each knee!
     
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    ah man that sounds like a great setup for such a dense bed. I'm sorry to hear about the surgeries man. Be sure to go through rehab proper and come back to us!
     
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    I recently decided no more poly as well. I am about 2 weeks in with all of my frames strung at 55 lbs with pros pro gutex and it is tough to not have the amazing spin. However, it will be worth it if I can train longer and better with less pain. Playing tennis is a long term thing, like a marathon, particularly if you are still trying to improve into your 30s or 40s.
     
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    Me too, if I'm serving a lot, poly makes my shoulder so sore. Even a hybrid.
     
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    Why give up? I'm using my 18x20 Prestiges again, I just don't go over 50lbs with any poly, no arm pain, great response, durability, control. Lately been using BHBK7.
     
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    eh switching from poly is more of a mind thing than anything. a soft multi at a high tension has plenty of control and spin, plus it feel a whole lot softer.
     
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    Yea it does but not quite the magical spin of poly. I notice it mostly on the run shots.
     
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    Why not try a hybrid with gut or multi in the mains and bhbr crosses?
     
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    I gave up on poly as well. I was in the middle of a 10 or 12 game losing streak ever since I switched to poly. I strung up PPA 16 last weekend, played my first match with it and won.

    it could be luck, I may have won it either way, I can't tell. all i know is, I have the "feel" that i'm looking for with multifilament. I don't have that feel with poly. Sure, I get tons of spin, but what good is spin if the shot doesn't go over the net or is hit wide?

    My next purchase is a reel of PPA. that stuff is magic.
     
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    Try out Discho Microfibre before commtting to a reel of PPA. It has a little less spin but even more control and seems to age better.
     
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    Reel of PPA is overpriced, you will save like $10 max, and it will take you quite some time to go through the reel - you will grow tired of PPA before you finish it. It is a little subdued in feel and power, and soon you might want something more exciting to tickle your senses.
     
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    I dont know guys. The problem with me going back to multis/synths is power. I love the feel, but it really has me sending balls deep everywhere. Stringing at 60 takes away too much feel sometimes, but any lower has a undesirable amount of power. This is just me finding reasons to stick with bhbr though. The "magical spin" has increased my serve% and has won me matches via heft of bigger swings.

    I've played with a synth recently and it wasn't too bad at all. It was just annoying has heck not being able to control really big cuts.

    I got a little shoulder/wrist soreness with cyberflash, but not with bhbr. I know it's mainly my serve for too. Serving 50-80+ mph with all arm isn't the most ideal serve to have lol.
     
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  19. ewberner

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    Just hybrid!
     
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    Thanks for the advice.
     
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    you should be able to generate enough spin with a multi to keep any ball in. i play vs guys who hit with polys and my spin is just a good if not better than theres.


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  22. sansaephanh

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    True, but its nice to know I can get some extra bite if i can. I'm hoping dunlop hexy fiber has some good feel. If so it's probably going to be my string for price vs performance.

    Anyone else have experiences or judgements on this thread?

    Anyone have some feedback on these three strings? ** As fullbeds or mains please**

    Gamma Ruff 16

    Dunlop Hexy Fiber 16 or 17
     
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    I'm gonna order those three and some head rip 17. I'd post reviews, but i'd rather just keep how i like it in my head and bring it up in conversation if someone asks =D
     
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    It is not just how much spin you can put on the ball, but also what effort it takes. For example, running forehands rely on the bite from the strings, super hard to hit them offensively with full multi stringbed.
     
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    My experience with "rough" multies (such as RIP) shows that it is little good if string surface is more rough or sticky because it prevents strings from sliding in the first place. That means whatever action on the ball is lacking from the stringbed, you will have to supply yourself, and this is tiresome labor.

    Polys slide and snap back whether they are rough or sleek, because of harder surface and increased stiffness. The only thing that comes close in terms of effortless spin is natural gut / poly hybrid, because of elasticity (snapback) of the gut mains and slippery surface of the poly cross.
     
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    +1 on the syngut/poly hybrid. a multi/poly setup is pretty good too! i had biphase/blackcode on my exo3 100 and it was lovely.

    i have a full bed yonex poly tour pro in my 95d and i don't think its for me either. not jumping off the bandwagon completely though, as i think poly/syngut is more my thang. experimenting with a few sets of tough gut and klip legend in the coming weeks though. :D
     
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    The only reason I'm jumping off the poly bandwagon is poor durability of poly mains (they die in 5 hours or less of hard hitting) and I don't have a stringing machine to keep them fresh. For me it makes more sense financially to pay $35 or so for 20+ hours natural gut / poly stringjob, given that poly cross will not affect overall playability too much (when they die in 5-8 hours).
     
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    Big Banger strung at 40 Lbs and use in practice for about 5 hours so it's nice and dead before using it in matches. Works great for me on the Prestige Mids. Easily lasts several matches with out fear of it breaking not inclduding shanks which can make it go at any time. I love it. It feels like I'm hitting the ball with a flexible paddle rather than strings. Easy enough on the arm but can still take full swings at the ball.
     
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  29. Hi I'm Ray

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    Well, I don't see any real issues in your post and normally I would say "why not just stick to poly then?" But I read in another post that you don't win matches the way you do with a multi, so in that case you don't have much to lose by switching away from poly. Use what works!
     
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    I was thinking the exact same thing, but what other choice do i have if I want similar playability with completely different strings. There just ISN'T a compensation. Though i'm going to give these strings a shot anyways. I have the thirst to know. what these play like. I'm going to order hexy fiber 16 and have a go with it.
     
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    I get good spin with RIP Control. Not as good as a textured poly but enough to be happy with it. What I don't like about it and other multi's is that the strings move all over the place. That's a deal-killer and the reason I stick with poly.
     
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    pretty sure that wasnt me lol. I dont win matches with multi. bhbr probably literally doubled my serve percentage. having that teeny bit of extra spin with less effort increased my margin for error. which in turn let me move my serve around the box more. similar results on groundies.

    BUT, i miss the feel of a nice consistent multi/synth. I'm gonna give hexy fiber a good long run on faith alone. I'll work with different tensions and see how far i get with it.
     
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    RIP Control 16 and Hexy Fiber 16 are #1 and #2 for spin multis. RIP 16 did not have enough control or touch for me. Hexy Fiber was nice but durability was poor.
     
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  34. Hi I'm Ray

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    Oh, my bad. That was anubis & his thread talking about maybe switching off of poly, then you posted in the same thread saying you were thinking of switching as well & I mixed it up.

    I wonder if a multi/syn gut hybrid would have slightly more spin than a full bed of multi, since the syn gut crosses won't stick or fray & hinder string snapback the way a multi cross would. Similar to how I find better spin poly/syn gut than w/a poly/sticky multi.
     
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    Sometimes I feel like a lot of us on this forum rely too much on our tools to get the job done. Let us not forget that spin generation comes firstly from proper technique.

    I'm not an amazing tennis player, but I can generate just as much spin with multi as I can with poly. I don't know if its an illusion or a fact that its a tad easier to generate spin with a textured poly, but judging by my own skill level, I'd say its an illusion.

    when I play with multi, I have no problems generating spin. so if that was my only criterion, I wouldn't select poly for that purpose.
     
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    Yeah, i know. This answer is common because its true to a certain extent, but i've felt the difference. I don't know what it is, but try bhbr 17 next to nxt. There IS going to be a major difference in feel and spin production. I just can't believe there isn't going to be a difference. You can even FEEL the extra bite. Its like using two nearly identical racket from two different brands, but one is 2 RA pts stiffer. It's going to feel different. Whether its the brand, the ra difference, or the manufacturing steps.

    What i'm trying to figure out now is if there is a string out there with a decent compensation of assisted spin, low power, good feel, more comfort then poly, and has a decent price?

    So far i've seen hexy fiber stick out of the crowd. Not many people have used it, but i'm willing to test out the compensation.

    Gamma ruff has also stuck out, but i kind of don't wanna deal with stringing it, because i'm still kinda nooby at stringing lol.

    All in all, I want to get off poly. Poly is a much disputed concept for the average level player and both sides have had enough argument for me to firstly jump ON the bandwagon and accept its massive playability. Secondly, to get off poly for detriments due to it just plain being bad for a player like me, who probably needs all the help he can get.
     
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    I would recommend hexy fiber. I haven't tried it as a full bed, but I love it as a cross with poly mains
     
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    I don't get why so many people crossed this string. Won't the texture and low durability from a multi reduce spin potential? I guess thats kind of over thinking it, but wouldnt you be better off with a solid core synth or nylon?

    What i mean is, for me to get an idea of how this string plays i would need more then a review of it as a cross. Because the mains are the focus when it comes to spin right?
     
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    Well i love my touch so I have a batch of hexy fiber 16 coming in.
     
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    interesting. Anyone else feel the need to get off poly?
     
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    Never felt the need to get on poly in the first place. Comfort and feel trumps everything else for me. Who cares if you get more spin if your arm is going to end up in a sling?

    BTW, what's "PPA"?
     
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    Prince Premier Attack right?

    Also, i've never gotten arm problems off bhbr.

    And mikeler. Have you ever tried hexy fiber in a full bed?
     
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    Yeah, but going from full black widow to a hybrid, I wanted spin that I'm used to so I chose this, and I get it cheap...
     
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    Hmmm...interesting. Is PPA a replacement for Prince Synthetic Gut Multifilament? Because I don't see PSGM on the TW Prince strings page anymore. Is it discontinued? If so, that would be a real shame as PSGM is probably my favorite multi. It's very powerful, resilient, comfortable, and cheap at the same time.

    So my next question is: What's "BHBR"? :)
     
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  46. ewberner

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    I am not sure. But they still sell it. In reels at least..
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Pri...eel_16_Natural/descpageACPRINCE-PSGM16RN.html
     
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  47. sansaephanh

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    I think i remember PPA being a replacement for Prince Premier LT. Which is a older prince gut with a older string formula i believe.

    BHBR is Big Hitter Blue Rough.

    and db10s... Sell me some.. lol
     
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    Hexy gives lots of spin but durability is poor.
     
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    Never tried PSGM but PPA is excellent. The only multi I like better is Discho Microfibre.
     
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