Gilles Simon on equal prize money

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  1. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    Not as hopeless as anyone supporting loser Simon's baselesstirade of bitter sexism.

    Perhaps if he stopped wasting time hating women and spent that energy on his job, he would not be the pointless loser he is at the moment. Ever hear of the concept of winning majors, little Simon?
     
  2. dParis

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    You are projecting. It's quite pathetic, actually.
     
  3. TennisNinja

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    Yeah, Simon is a pointless loser as a former #6 in the world. I guess anyone on both tours who hasn't won a major is considered a loser as well then as well. I'll let you live in your little fantasy world.

    "loser Simon's baselesstirade of bitter sexism"
    Whatever you say bud.
     
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    Show me another sport where women are paid as much as men. Maybe track and field - but women compete at the same time as men in track and field events, so the sponsorship and the spectators share all athletes.

    Well, here is another one: gymnastics. But who wants to see men gymnasts anyway? ;)

    All sports in which women and men play in different leagues and at different times see vastly different pay scales for obvious reasons: men's sports provide far better entertainment and draw much more sponsorship and more viewers.
     
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    That's well said.....
     
  7. Lion King

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    I would love to see Simon play Serena :) With all the world watching and the loser saying to the winner "your gender plays a lot better tennis and our gender does not deserve equal pay" a hundred times. How many points do you think the loser would get in a best-of-three match like this?
     
  8. Lion King

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    Well, WNBA players are punished for something that's not their fault, according to your logic. And I have not heard many complaints about this.
     
  9. Lion King

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    Well, the whole idea of equal pay grew out of the acknowledgement that WTA cannot make as much money as ATP but women have to play at the same time and place as men in the Slams.
     
  10. Lion King

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    I agree with one thing here: the current pay scheme too much favors the elite on both tours while the lower-ranked players often struggle to get by.
     
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    You just made this up. This is not even close to why there is equal prize money in the slams. Do some research before you spout lies.
     
  12. Lion King

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    Look at the prize money in non-slam tournaments that are played at separate venues and you'll see.
     
  13. Tcbtennis

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    Yes, there is a difference in the prize money at the separate ATP and WTA tournaments but that is not the reason why the slams give equal prize money. Research Billie Jean King and the history of the founding of the WTA first then you find out why there was the fight to increase prize money. The U.S. Open and the Australian Open have given equal prize money since 1973. The French Open since 2006 and Wimbledon since 2007. The ship has sailed and despite the recent outcries, there will be no change in his without there being massive PR damage. Rather than Simon trying to reduce the women's prize money he should try to band together with them to increase the overall percentage of revenue earned by the tournaments paid to the players. Unlike other sports, tennis players receive a paltry percentage (~12-15%) that goes towards pay. This would go further to increase the amount lower ranked players get so one can make a decent career as a tennis pro.
     
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    ^^^^^ No one really thinks it will change - just see the ridiculousness and comment on it. Not everyone buys into Political Correctness. Avoiding the issue and sending Simon after other people's money is a cop-out.
     
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    He should be kicked out of what? The Player's Council or the ATP in general?

    Are you serious? Regardless of one's opinion on equal pay in tennis, the idea that someone should be 'kicked out' for expressing a politically incorrect opinion is absurd, and just wrong.

    Is this your view of how things should be done; 'kick out' people who dare disagree with you?
     
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    The moral dilemma of corporate sponsorship ... ownage? :roll: :rolleyes:

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    We also have to make sure that whenever we go out on a date with a girl she pays her expenses too, lol.

    I never paid dinners to girls, some of them would get pissed, so I let them go, they would call me cheap later, then I'd say we lived in an equal society.

    Some didn't, those I appreciated more once in a while I'd pay, then they'd pay.

    Equal society guys and gals, don't let women explore you neither, they already get anything they want almost.
     
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    i prefer each pay our own way and go our own way :cool:

    so now the united states of america is guilty for the world's obesity and bet-at-home is guilty for the world's gambling addiction :)
     
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    Whatever that means. :cool:

    So, Coca-Cola and McDonald's are official representatives of the US of A? Would you like to share more details with us?
     
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    Qualifiers on the mens side should be made more than the winners on the womens side
     
  21. dParis

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    I asked before and I have to ask again - hypocrite much?
     
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    Serena maybe sneaks like 2-3 points at best. Simon is one of the fastest players on the tour and one of the best defenders. All he would have to do is keep the ball in play and Serena would never beat him.
     
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    But the proposal of Lion King seems OK.
     
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    what do you think it means, mr/ms "equal society"? :cool:

    did you see where it says on the article that Coca-Cola and McDonald's are "sponsors" of the Olympics, not "representatives"? What part is confusing you? the sponsorship part? or the Olympics part? :confused:

    the double-edged sword of MultiNational Corporation sponsorship of sporting events was explored earlier in this thread, in particular the vorpel blade snicker-snack slicing and dicing of perceived goals of the sports themselves being sometimes sharply separated from the MNCs public relations goals.
     
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    You said it, so I asked for clarification. Is that so hard to understand?

    No, I said it in relation to your "obesity" comment. Could you clarify that as well, or you will continue with your inane babbling?
     
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    I lol'd big time. :D
     
  27. Love Game

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    I don't understand your "hypocrite" reference.
    "hypocrisy" = "do as i say, not as i do."

    are you referring to my statement "The moral dilemma of corporate sponsorship ... ownage?" Is that what youre saying is "hypocritical" ????

    cuz if you think my statment is at odds with LuckyR's statement, it isnt. quite the contrary.

    Should I have put the words "moral dilemma" in quotes and added a couple :roll: :rolleyes: so people would know i was being sarcastic?

    oh wait . . . I did use those smilies indicating sarcasm! :eek:
    oh I see ... you deleted those from your version of my "quote" :shock:
     
  28. Love Game

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    any chance you could restate that to make it sound more like a desire to exchange concepts, rather than a gauntlet to a flame war? or we can go back and forth with personal insults if you prefer ... but then we might get banned ... [​IMG]

    Jacques rogge was also quoted as saying,
    ". . . We are often interrogated about the fact the Games should be commercialism free and shouldn't be sponsored. I always argue that would take us back to the unfair and elitist atmosphere of the Olympic Games before the 1960s," says Rogge.

    "There was no sponsorship, no TV rights. The result was that only the rich countries could send athletes, developing countries did not send one athlete."
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jun/26/london-2012-olympics-jacques-rogge

    seems that a similar reference could be made about "sponsorship" and "tv rights" in the four tennis grand slams.
     
  29. Love Game

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    multinational corporate corruption of wholesome sport?

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    the message from these two unsuspecting sports fans is "bet at home." woof! :shock:
    online sports betting is illegal in America, so I was surprised the first time I saw bet-at-home as a major sponsor of a tennis event. now i'm seeing it all over the place, tho not in the usa. is this an accepted MNC of sports in Europe? South america? Great britain? Asia?

    gambling is a social vice that has ruined as many a family down through history as has alcoholism, so advertizing for families to embrace this vice, to "bet-at-home" is tawdry and distasteful. and this year the gambling corporation is forcing kitzbuhl to change its name from "Austrian Open Kitzbühel" to "Bet-at-home Cup Kitzbühel"

    they say that "whoever pays the piper calls the tune." that's just another way of saying, "the one with the gold makes the rules." the other side of the two-edged vorpel blade is that this bet-at-home sponsorship is what has allowed the Kitzbuhel Open to come back from its previous downgrade to the Challenger Tour in 2010.

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  30. dParis

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    Ah, what's with all this talk of morality, anyway? We've made it a movable feast, replete with feminists, big corporations and animated smilies. The concept has been modified and manipulated - to the point of weightlessness. 99% fat free and natural!:mrgreen:

    Oh, smilies. Only 4 images per post. I had to be judicious. You might have been better off using actual words in that case. I know, another crazy concept...
     
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    interesting! :)
    K so ... where's the "hypocrite" come in? [​IMG]
     
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    No, it isn't.
     
  33. Love Game

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    oh ... i thought it was because ...

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    and because ...

    "... The Interstate Wire Act of 1961, often called the Federal Wire Act, is a United States federal law prohibiting the operation of certain types of betting businesses in the United States. It begins with the text:
    Whoever being engaged in the business of betting or wagering knowingly uses a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets or wagers or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest, or for the transmission of a wire communication which entitles the recipient to receive money or credit as a result of bets or wagers, or for information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.[1]

    In September 2011, the US Department of Justice released to the public a formal legal opinion on the scope of the Act concluding, "interstate transmissions of wire communications that do not relate to a 'sporting event or contest fall outside the reach of the Wire Act."[2]

    The U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that the Wire Act prohibition on the transmission of wagers applies only to sports betting and not other types of online gambling.[3] The Supreme Court has not ruled on the meaning of the Federal Wire Act as it pertains to online gambling. ..."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Wire_Act
     
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