Gimelstob gets in main draw again? Aaargh!

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  1. christo

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    Nothing against Justin, I don't understand how he constantly gets into the main draw at majors. Surely he cannnot be ranked higher than 200? it's entertaining for about 10 mins to watch him flop around and then just annoying. I'm sure he's a great guy but enough already.
     
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  2. Rhino

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    Well he's American. I accidently met him once and didn't think he was a great guy. I think he thought I was going ask for an autograph or something but I practically ignored him and he made some smart comment.
     
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  3. Moose Malloy

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    being american has nothing to do with it, he has an injury protected ranking.
     
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  4. Fee

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    HIs ranking is in the 300's now. Mark your calendar for late October. His PR expires and he will retire from the tour. Happy?

    (perusing the ATP rulebook might actually make tennis a little bit more enjoyable for you. :) )
     
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  5. West Coast Ace

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    It's really pretty easy. The USTA is very clique-ish. Justin is buddies with the right people. And this will help him get commentary jobs that Luke Jensen and Mal Washington would be much better at.

    Why do you think PMac is still an ESPN talking head and Davis Cup Captain?
     
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    Are you on 'ludes or what? If there is anyone more annoying on TV than Luke Jensen, I'll eat my hat. Granted, occasionally he has an interesting tour story, but he is dramatically overrated as a color guy. I do wish that Mal Washington would work more, though. He brings some nice insight to the table. I have met Justin on several occasions and he is really a pretty interesting guy. Not your average dumb jock. And as Fee stated, he will be retiring after his protected ranking has expired.
     
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  7. West Coast Ace

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    Luke is The Man. Two word - Robin Givens.

    And he knows tennis and does his commentary with a great sense of humor. Sorry you can't appreciate it.

    PS - I believe hats are pretty much useless carbs - not a good thing for your tennis game...
     
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  8. tennissavy

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    He gets into the main draw just like he has a job doing commentary and interviews for tv-connections. He has the right connections.
     
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  9. Fee

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    Do the two of you seriously believe what you have posted here? Really? Seriously? Look at the draw, there is no (W) next to Justin's name, he did not get a wildcard. He has a PROTECTED RANKING, just as other injured players before him (did you think Joachim Johansson was on the entry list because he has 'connections'?). Since the two of you need spoon fed answers, here it is:

    http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=/en/players/ATP_Rulebook2007.pdf

    VII. ATP Rankings
    8.04
    D. Entry Protection

    1) A player may petition the President for an Entry Protection when he is physically injured and does not compete in any tennis event for a minimum period of six (6) months. The written petition must be received within six (6) months after his last tournament.

    2) The Entry Protection shall be a position in the ATP Ranking (Singles), as determined by the player's average ATP Ranking (Singles) position during the first three (3) months of his injury. The Entry Protection shall be for entry into the main draw or qualifying competition or for special exempt consideration. The Entry Protection shall not be used for seeding purposes or Lucky Loser consideration.

    3) The Entry Protection shall be in effect for either the first eight (8.) Tournaments that the player competes in using the Entry Protection (excluding Wild Cards and entries as a Direct Acceptance with his current position in the ATP Ranking) or for the period up to nine (9) months beginning with the first tennis event that the player competes in, whichever occurs first.


    And this is the original entry list for the USO, from July 19:

    1 Federer,Roger/SUI 1
    2 Nadal,Rafael/ESP 2
    3 Djokovic,Novak/SRB 3
    4 Roddick,Andy/USA 4
    5 Davydenko,Nikolay/RUS 5
    6 Gonzalez,Fernando/CHI 6
    7 Robredo,Tommy/ESP 7
    8 Gasquet,Richard/FRA 8
    9 Blake,James/USA 9
    10 Berdych,Tomas/CZE 10
    11 Haas,Tommy/GER 11
    12 Ljubicic,Ivan/CRO 12
    13 Youzhny,Mikhail/RUS 13
    14 Murray,Andy/GBR 14
    15 Ferrer,David/ESP 15
    16 Canas,Guillermo/ARG 16
    17 Ferrero,Juan Carlos/ESP 17
    18 Kiefer, Nicolas GER @17
    19 Baghdatis,Marcos/CYP 18
    20 Chela,Juan Ignacio/ARG 19
    21 Moya,Carlos/ESP 20
    22 Hewitt,Lleyton/AUS 21
    OUT Johansson, Joachim SWE @21
    24 Safin,Marat/RUS 22
    25 Mathieu,Paul-Henri/FRA 23
    26 Nalbandian,David/ARG 24
    27 Nieminen,Jarkko/FIN 25
    28 Volandri,Filippo/ITA 26
    29 Tursunov,Dmitry/RUS 27
    OUT Soderling,Robin/SWE 28
    31 Monaco,Juan/ARG 29
    32 Calleri,Agustin/ARG 30
    33 Hrbaty,Dominik/SVK 31
    34 Melzer,Jurgen/AUT 32
    35 Clement,Arnaud/FRA 33
    36 Almagro,Nicolas/ESP 34
    37 Mayer,Florian/GER 35
    38 Malisse,Xavier/BEL 36
    39 Kohlschreiber,Philipp/GER 37
    40 Ancic,Mario/CRO 38
    41 Gicquel,Marc/FRA 39
    42 Fish,Mardy/USA 40
    43 Karlovic,Ivo/CRO 41
    44 Lee,Hyung-Taik/KOR 42
    45 Santoro,Fabrice/FRA 43
    46 Starace,Potito/ITA 44
    47 Ginepri,Robby/USA 45
    48 Becker,Benjamin/GER 46
    49 Tipsarevic,Janko/SRB 47
    50 Verdasco,Fernando/ESP 48
    51 Acasuso,Jose/ARG 49
    52 Wawrinka,Stanislas/SUI 50
    53 Simon,Gilles/FRA 51
    54 Hernandez,Oscar/ESP 52
    55 Massu,Nicolas/CHI 53
    56 Andreev,Igor/RUS 54
    57 Montanes,Albert/ESP 55
    58 Monfils,Gael/FRA 56
    59 Del Potro,Juan Martin/ARG 57
    60 Lapentti,Nicolas/ECU 58
    61 Bjorkman,Jonas/SWE 59
    62 Benneteau,Julien/FRA 60
    63 Mahut,Nicolas/FRA 61
    64 Spadea,Vincent/USA 62
    65 Delic,Amer/USA 63
    66 Rochus,Olivier/BEL 64
    67 Llodra,Michael/FRA 65
    68 Eschauer,Werner/AUT 66
    69 Koubek,Stefan/AUT 67
    70 Russell,Michael/USA 68
    71 Henman,Tim/GBR 69
    72 Johansson,Thomas/SWE 70
    73 Grosjean,Sebastien/FRA 71
    74 Vliegen,Kristof/BEL 72
    75 Berlocq,Carlos/ARG 73
    76 Gimelstob, Justin USA @73
    77 Tsonga,Jo-Wilfried/FRA 74
    78 Horna,Luis/PER 75
    79 Roitman,Sergio/ARG 76
    80 Bolelli,Simone/ITA 77
    OUT Srichaphan,Paradorn/THA 78
    82 Zabaleta,Mariano/ARG 79
    83 Garcia-Lopez,Guillermo/ESP 80
    84 Serra,Florent/FRA 81
    85 Roger-Vasselin,Edouard/FRA 82
    86 Seppi,Andreas/ITA 83
    87 Lopez,Feliciano/ESP 84
    88 Vassallo Arguello,Martin/ARG 85
    89 Gulbis,Ernests/LAT 86
    90 Hartfield,Diego/ARG 87
    91 Guccione,Chris/AUS 88
    92 Korolev,Evgeny/RUS 89
    93 Mirnyi,Max/BLR 90
    94 Querrey,Sam/USA 91
    95 Berrer,Michael/GER 92
    96 Ramirez Hidalgo,Ruben/ESP 93
    97 Navarro Pastor,Ivan/ESP 94
    98 Pless,Kristian/DEN 95
    99 Gabashvili,Teimuraz/RUS 96
    100 Goldstein,Paul/USA 97
    101 Luczak,Peter/AUS 98
    102 Kunitsyn,Igor/RUS 99
    103 Guzman,Juan-Pablo/ARG 100
    104 Stepanek,Radek/CZE 101
    105 (Q)
    106 (Q)
    107 (Q)
    108 (Q)
    109 (Q)
    110 (Q)
    111 (Q)
    112 (Q)
    113 (Q)
    114 (Q)
    115 (Q)
    116 (Q)
    117 (Q)
    118 (Q)
    119 (Q)
    120 (Q)
    121 (WC) Isner, John USA
    122 (WC) Kuznetsov, Alex USA
    123 (WC) Levine, Jesse USA
    124 (WC) McClune, Michael USA (Kalamazoo champion)
    125 (WC) Odesnik, Wayne USA
    126 (WC) Sweeting, Ryan USA
    127 (WC) Young, Donald USA
    128 (WC) Jones, Alun AUS (TA) ​

    I have bolded the 3 players used a Protected ranking to enter the USO. One is still injured and had to withdraw. ​

    Damn that Nicolas Kiefer and his connections.​



     
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  10. tennispro11

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    Can I have it spoon fed to me too? ;)
     
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  11. tennissavy

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    I still stick by statement. Gimelstob is a pro player and tv commentator because he has connections.
     
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  12. tennispro11

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    It's your opinion. Just keep telling yourself whatever helps you sleep at night. Does it go something like this: "Gimelstob sucks, Gimelstob sucks, Gimelstob sucks" :D
     
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  13. Klatu Verata Necktie

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    I agree. Watching Wimbledon with my sister, she made a comment that pretty much summed up Jenson's commentary, "What a cheese ball".
     
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  14. christo

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    is it just me or does Gimelstob seem to have been injured to some degree since about the day he turned pro? he's a medical marvel!
     
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    Gimelstob is a blowhard. His articles are terrible, self-indulgent, just like his tennis. I hope they televise his match at the Open so I can watch him get his ass whooped.
     
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  16. dukemunson

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    Wait what? You don't think the fact that he's a pretty solid tennis player has something to do with the fact that he's a pro tennis player??? That's just a weird post...he's pro because he has connections...haha...
     
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    dude gimelstob = ggpwnzorz
     
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  18. fastdunn

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    haven't seen him for a while. is he still S&Ving ?
     
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    my thoughts exactly he got a pretty good looking lady thats for sure...

    go Luke!
     
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  20. vive le beau jeu !

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    this entry list including the PR makes me wonder when we will see j.johansson back on the tour... :?

    maybe he was disappointed because he wanteed an autograph from you ? ;)
     
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    Boys, it was Murphy Jensen who fathered Robin's child, not Luke. Luke however, had a fling with Cheryl Miller (Reggie's sister) while they both attended USC. If we are going to gossip, let's get it right! Oh and you shouldn't argue with Fee. She is one tough broad. No offense intended, Fee. Will you be driving in February? If so, see you there.
     
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  22. tennissavy

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    He is a horrible tennis player. There are plenty of club players who could beat him. Have you ever seen him play? He is the worst pro player I have ever ever seen. It is pathetic that he was allowed to join the ATP.
     
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    Pete Sampras calls up lots of club players to hit with as well right?
     
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    Yikes, no offense taken but I'm not so sure that you are describing me. :)

    Won't be there in February, saving up to go back to Wimbledon next summer, fingers crossed. Someone has offered me access to his 'Final 8' privileges and I hope to hold him to it.
     
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    Well this is his last GS because I heard he was retiring. Got to send him off some how
     
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    Didn't know they protected rankings of guys so LOW! Sorry! Can anyone tell me why guys that low get PRs? 1st round fodder is 1st round fodder. Are you saying he NEVER got a WC?

    Sorry, not what I've heard from people who work on the tour. Could be wrong, but doubt it. Look at Murphy, then look at Luke. Who do you think Robin would date?
     
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  27. Fee

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    You should read my previous post again, but...

    First, you can see the passage that I posted from the ATP rule book states that ANY player who is off the tour and inured for more than 6 months is eligible for a PR (and yes, that includes Challenger and Future level players).

    Second, you can look at the USO entry list that I posted and see that Kiefer, J. Johansson, and Gimelstob all have a ranking next to their names and the @ sign that designates their PR ranking. The number next to Justin's name is 73, which is the ranking that he had on September 13, 2006 when he went in for six hours of back surgery.

    I know of one occasion when Justin got a WC for the US Open. It was in 1995 when he earned it by winning the 18's National Championships at Kalamazoo. He has probably been given other wildcards here and there (just like so many other 'next big thing' players in the US) and I'm pretty sure he got one in April for the Houston Clay Court tournament, but I'm not familiar enough with his career before I met him to answer your question completely accurately.

    And yes, as I also stated previously in this thread, Justin is retiring at the end of this season. The pain is too much and despite all of the physical therapy and the hard work he has put in for the last year to keep playing the game he loves, he did not regain his strength or his movement, and his body just cannot do it anymore.

    According to www.imdb.com, Murphy is the father of Robin Givens' son.
     
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    So Fee, are you actually what he would call his friend. Or are you just the head of his fan club and met him once or twice?
     
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