Going Full Time at Tennis

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  1. Moz

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    Having read lots of threads on here about improving your game, playing tournaments etc and currently being between careers in a mid life crisis sort of way I have been inspired to do what I do best. Bugger all.

    So from now on I am a full time tennis player. Having not played tennis at all during my 20's and never really been coached as a junior I am giving myself two years to see where I could have ended up. At the end of the 2 years I will have turned 37.

    I am currently a 4.5 NTRP and 5.2 LTA Rating and spend my time between the UK (mainly), the USA and perhaps a few others. I will also be playing some over 35's events - that being the lowest official age group for British and International veterans.

    Anyway, as you can tell by my ratings I'm not particularly good but determined to improve. If you're bored enough you can follow my exploits at:

    http://oldmanontour.blogspot.com/

    Any tips / comments gratefully received.
     
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    Cool man. Sounds like fun. If you're ever in Texas, give us a hollar and we'll find some matches for you.

    Good luck with it, and I look forward to hearing more about this.
     
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    Cheers mate - will do.

    Actually, it's partly your fault talking about having a crack at a future's event etc!
     
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    aloha

    Dude I have played you in a tourn before and we know each other from tournamets. I def think your a 5.0. You have a good game, and can rip the forehand hard as hell when your not doing the andy murray loop. Your weight is good, but your cardio might need some work. I think your have a good all around game, but lacking a bit in the net play confidence. Your a fighter , but you get way too negative at yourself, when you should be pumping yourself up with positive remarks. I guess the britt in your cant help but rip some loud cuss words, :).
    Forget the andy murray attitude and act like nadal staying positive and having a short term memory.

    I hope if you dont get where you want after 2 years you dont quit. I would hope you play until you cant physically.

    I will be rooting for you! Good luck.

    Just ask sup2dresq who i am, but keep it private
     
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    Moz! Hey, go for it! I wish I could, too! Though, now that really *would* be an ugly site, especially starting at 3.5!!!

    Also, if it is ok, I will link to your blog from mine (see signature).
     
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    Thanks for the post! Sounds like you certainly know me and my game pretty well!! Cardio is getting better and I at least know what I have to do with my volleys. That's a start I suppose. The negative attitude is part of my heritage so may be harder to fix!!

    Say hello if we see each other at a tournament soon. I'll drop Sup a note and respect your privacy.
     
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    Go ahead, thanks. I'll link to yours.
     
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    That is REALLY cool. Go for it Moz!!! I know a little bit about how you feel - even though I'm not nearly as talented. I would love to play tennis full time at any level - work on my game just to see how far I could take it. Unfortunately, the pay sucks and I have bills. Hope you do great!
     
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    Thanks mate.

    Unfortunately the bills are going to have to wait for a while!
     
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    Good for you for taking an alternate path in life. I am also doing the reverse retirement concept. After one too many stressful projects at work (I was a consultant) I decided to take a break to do, well, nothing. I go to the gym a lot, play tennis, have lunch with my friends, drive slow on the road, read books, it's great. No clients up my you know what asking for this or that. Now I'm one of those people sitting around in the whirlpool at the gym in no rush while everyone else is running around getting ready to go back to work. It's amazing to play tennis without all of that other stuff in my head.

    I've not been at this for that long, but so far, its been great. At first, I was so happy to be away from work that the thought of returning made me want to throw up. Then, out of nowhere, I missed my old life. I even missed going to the airport, getting lost in major cities, hotel living, all of that sort of thing. I started to worry about going broke. It's easier for me because I'm married, but I still worry about it sometimes. So be prepared for those moments. I think its hard not to miss whatever life you had before.

    Good luck with your tennis, and with life. If you start to have second thoughts, do a search on sabbaticals, etc. and you'll find that there are a lot of us out there.
     
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    Thanks for the post. Ironic that I was in consultancy as well. I basically just got fed up of all the ********. I'm not missing it all. It's not the first time I have taken some time off and I haven't regretted it yet. I do feel that life is too short to spend too much time on stuff like that.

    I can completely relate to your experiences as well. It's good sitting in the hot tub at the gym watching other people scampering back to work in their suit and tie.

    The real challenge will be when the results turn bad and I get injured I suppose.
     
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    I'm jealous! Have fun, and hope everything works out!
     
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    Hi Moz, Firstly, Good luck!

    Please tell me if your coming up to Scotland! Especially if it's near Glasgow! And just to let you know a 5.2 can't be a 4.5, the conversion charts are shocking! 5.2's normally play county etc.



    Once Again Good Luck!

    JF


    Edit: Just read your blog and imo it was hilarious! Please keep it up!
     
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    Hi Jonny

    You think 5.2's and 5.1's are better than 4.5's? I would agree with you there.

    My UK rating is a bit weird as I have spent a number of years over in the US and only played tournaments over here late 2007. If my results continue I should be going up to 5.1 next round. The US system baffles me although I always used to have a couple of terrible results (hangovers etc) which didn't help.

    I nearly entered the Scottish Veterans Indoor Champs which are in Glasgow..shame I didn't now.

    Do you play tournaments etc? How's the scene up there? There was a guy in this area down from Scotland for 2 weeks cause he couldn't get any tournaments up there.
     
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    Ahhh, If you'd only entered that Vets tourny! There's quite a few junior tournaments up here but I'm pretty much injured about 3 weeks a month these days! Most guys I know playing for Uni's etc. seem to find tournaments but I honestly couldn't tell you what the over 35's scene is like .....being part of the LTA system though,I'm sure it's pretty...well terrible:).Please do tell me if you come up here, especially for a tournament I'll get a Moz fan section going! Or if you ever fancy lowering your level to hit with a lanky 16 year old I'll be there :wink:
     
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    Mate - if you look up lanky in the dictionary you'll see a picture of me!! I'd definitely be up for a hit.

    I'm playing a lot of open events as well so am not restricted to over 35's. I haven't seen anything else in Scotland to be honest.

    What sort of injuries are you struggling with?
     
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    Good luck with your tennis odyssey!

    The best tip I can give you is to ramp this effort up slowly, and see how your body reacts. Most full-time tennis players have built up a solid base of playing tennis and training every day over many years. You're trying to circumvent this step, or at least accelerate it greatly.

    Bottom line - be careful about burnout, both physical and mental...
     
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    Thanks for that. Very wise words and something I've been a victim of in the past. I've got a bit carried away already to be honest..!
     
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    Christ.....How long you got???
    My shoulder's been playing up horrifically recently I can literally last an hour before it hurts but if you were up here I'd find a way!

    I thought it was Tursunov we'd to look up to see you :shock::wink: haha
    Typically Scotland eh! Miracle we've got the Best of Britain!
     
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    Funny you were in consulting. The good thing about it is its fairly easy to go back when you need the cash. Not everyone can handle that lifestyle.

    I'm so happy not to have to worry about freaking billable hours.

    Try not to get injured...easier said that done! And don't get too pissed off if you don't do as well as you expect in your first tournament as a free person. I think it takes awhile to get over the work stress.
     
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    Oh Christ, I never EVER thought I would hear someone say the exact sentence I said last year right after I got out. I was in investment banking/management consulting. . . all the same thing when it gets down to it. I am loving that there are 2 other guys out there just like me, and they're both on these boards! Ha ha. Guys, it's good to hear kindred spirits. Keep the posts coming.

    Moz, I am actually about to do what you are doing, although not quite the same extent. I am just going to play some big tourneys around the Southern US, and see how I do.

    Good luck on the journey.
     
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    That's awesome Moz, good luck with the journey. I've got your blog bookmarked and will enjoy watching your progress.
     
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    do alot of fitness at first. dont worry so much about court time as long as you can play 2-3 hours a day. but get fit. you need an insane level of fitness to play at a high level. you need to be able to play 2 times a day that could be 3 sets and come back and do it again.
     
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    No more of the - "sure you can have a day off as long as you get all your hours in".

    Good luck in your tournaments - keep us posted as to how it's going.
     
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    Thanks for the advice. I assume that playing and drilling isn't sufficient fitness wise. I was going to add in some hill repeats and sprints. Do you have any recommendations?

    I've got 3 matches this weekend - will be interesting to see how much I pay for it afterwards!
     
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    LOL. . . nope, no more. And no more "Why didn't you bill this client more than this?", or "Why did you bill this client so much?"

    Thanks for the well wishes. Who knows: maybe we'll end up at the same tournament some day (I'm only a year older than you).
     
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    Stranger things have certainly happened!
     
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    Just wanted to add my good luck wishes to the OP!!!

    No regrets, baby!!!

    We'll all be rooting for you!!!;)
     
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    Give em hell Moz. It is a fun thing.

    I was hurt from 17-23 and unable to play, while all my buddies went on to play college/futures. So I never found out how good I could get.

    Taking another crack at it while I am young and have the chance.

    07 was my first year of tourneys, and hoping to make 08 better.

    It is hard working 50 hours a week, playing 15-20 hours a week, and being in the gym 7-10 hours a week. But better than sitting on the couch watching american idol and eating ice cream.

    I'll be down to see you guys this year, and we can let it fly.

    My motto was and still is "As long as your good days are better and your bad days are not as bad, that is all one can ask."

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    Thanks very much mate - good luck to you aswell.

    Man, I wish we could swap ages! You've got plenty of time.
     
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    I thought I was done at 23, until I met the world #1 55 and older.

    And I said to myself, self I can do this.

    Funny where inspiration comes from.

    I was waching Out to Sea, and Jack Lemon thought he had missed his chance and said "It's too late"

    And Walter Matthau replied "It's never too late, that's why they invented death."

    And I was like, "Hey!! That's me!"

    So I thought it would be way cool if I could play ITF Seniors in 10 years and compete on the Senior Davis Cup teams.

    The best older players I know, all to a man say that no matter how much older they got, they never stopped improving.

    J
     
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    Hey Moz, just read the blog update, Let's be honest here- Did you get d!cked in that warm-up tourny?
     
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    Shhhhhh...

    Did you read the last entry posted this evening?

    I won 6-0, 6-2 then lost 0-6, 5-7. It was a very strange evening. I've got to leave for sunday match in 8 and a half hours aswell. :cry:
     
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    if your gonna tourny every week its gonna be tough to do fitness and play. so you need to decide which tournies mean something and which are there for practice matches. when i had futures coming i would ease off the fitness but for local prize moneys i would still do fitness that day if i only had a match, i was 19-22 years old at the time so i was much younger but your body will adjust.

    as for fitness try to get a program with a trainer who knows the sport if you cant your gonna need to do it alone which isnt always good. do alot of intervals and movement type stuff. you need a solid base to so lift weights. get your core strong and legs even stronger so you can grind out tough matches. unless you need to cut weight avoid doing long distance cardio as i found it made me slower to jog.
     
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    Cheers Maverick - I'll follow your advice.

    At the moment I will probably try and do one weekend on and one off. There are so few events over here that you have to take them when they come. Also, I am short of strong hitting partners at the moment so playing matches is keeping my eye in.
     
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    Moz, if it's any consolation, I lost today, too. I lost pretty badly, and I lost to a guy I should have beaten with ease. BUT, I haven't played a match since last May, so I see it as a positive. I know I just need to get match tough. Sorry about the loss, and good luck on traveling to the next tourney in pain.

    Getting old sucks.
     
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    Ooops.....Sorry I wrote it 3 minutes beforehand! Unlucky man, I know how it can happen... Seriously good luck in Biiirminghammm.
     
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    just found this thread, seems like a lot of fun. i hope to be able to do something like that sooner or later. i am still young and getting to play at my junior college right now, so i have plenty of time. but seeing older guys giving it a real go is pretty motivating! good luck to you guys!
     
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    Thanks chaps. I'm looking forward to tomorrow, but not the 2 hour drive each way. Plus, getting out of bed the next morning is hard at my age....

    Cam - maybe it was something in the water today?
     
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    Welcome to the wonderful world of tournament play.

    Hopefully I got most of my lump taking out of the way in 07, but I have a feeling it's gonna take all of 08 aswell to become a serious tourney player.

    Got 15-20 on the schedule, know there are gonna be some ugly looking lopsided losses in there, but hopefully I can bring home some hardware to offset it.

    Hope these quotes do you guys some good.

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    Sounds awesome Moz! All the best in your tennis journeys!
     
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    Funny thing about losing today: now I'm online looking for a tournament so that I can sharpen up. Tennis today was pathetic. When I wanted to, I could win games with ease, but then I would hit what I thought was a good forehand when it left m racquet, only to see it sail 4 feet wide. Wow.

    Gotta get sharp, and soon. That national tourney I want to play is only 6 weeks a way. F**k me. That's right around the corner. Oh, and did I mention I am changing racquets in 2 weeks? Yeah. This should be fun.

    Thanks for the words of encouragement, Jolly. It's funny: today was the first time I've lost in years where I came away encouraged. In the past I would have just said 'f**k this', thrown my racquets in a closet, and got hammered tonight. But losing today actually felt good.

    Christ I'm masochistic.
     
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    That's a great attitude! It seems that losing usually makes me get better faster than winning. It isn't as fun, but it does make you rethink, regroup, etc... Keep up the hard work!
     
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    what racquets are you switching from, and what racquets are you going to?
     
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    Going from n6.1 95 16x18 to K6.1 95, either 16x18, or 18x20 (demos get here Mon, so I'll know by Thurs what my new stick will be). After shanking a couple today near the top of the bed, I'm leaning towards the 18x20.
     
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    Thanks, man. :cool:
     
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    Hey when I went out in the National Open, It really meant nothing to my ranking (Unless I really tore it up then I would have gotten a shot in the arm) but on the way home, I said to myself "This is going to make it so much better in a year or two when I start cutting swaths deeper into these draws, I will appreciate it so much more."

    And I thought that was a really good mindset to have.

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    Yeah, that is a good mindset to have. My problem has been tanking in the past, and my deal with myself this year is no tanking. Just try. I've never given my all with tennis, and since I'm not getting any younger, and since I'm going to start taking on more responsibilities with life, I need to give it my all this year.

    I'm really interested to compare notes at the end of this year with a few of the posters on here, most notably you, Moz, and WBF. Hope we all can lift an e-beer/e-lager/e-shot to one another at the end. :cool:
     
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    "Old, decrepit, ****e and coming all over a tennis court near you."

    That is a quality blog description. Good luck man.
     
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    Sounds like Cam is getting serious! Delighted to hear it.

    Also, we really should try and make it a real beer at some point rather than an e-beer before cirrhosis kicks in and we can't travel any longer!

    By the way - I won my match today but the odds are I am going to be minus a big toenail by the end of the week! Hope nothing else falls off - it stings like ****!
     
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