Going Full Time at Tennis

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  1. Moz

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    Interesting to read that. I was playing a lot, then joined a gym and then the soreness went away post match and the next day.

    Started hitting with better players this week and the soreness is back. Maybe that means I'm finally hitting properly...

    I'm getting all sorts of weird stuff aswell. Today the list is:

    Neck twinges
    Golfers Elbow
    Sore hand (middle of palm)
    Sore hand (right index knuckle)
    Stiff back
    Sore knees
    Plantar fasciitis

    It's great being 35 on hard courts!:)
     
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    Welcome to the thread!

    Having the game doesn't preclude you from trying, substitute lack of long term vision for balls and you're good to go!

    I always got the impression McKinsey was more an indoctrination than just a career - and with your billing rates I'm surprised you're wondering about the cash!! :twisted:

    At the moment I'm using my air miles at quite a rate. The main problem is hire cars, hotels and, in the UK, petrol. Sometimes somebody is kind enough to let me stay and sometimes I may not need a hire car.

    Also, there are alot of cheap airlines in the UK. My flight to Spain is less than $200 - a flight to Estonia would be about $250.

    The cash pile is getting smaller unfortunately.
     
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    ha ha!

    (you can spare 5 bucks for your hero can't you?, I don't want to have to start doing autograph sessions at the local 7-eleven!).:)
     
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    Hey Moz,

    Give us a little breakdown here: What is the level of play like at the 35 Open level across the US versus the UK?

    I ask cuz I'm 38 going on 39 and the 40's is right around the corner...I have just over a year to prepare.
     
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    O, yes, 35 and hard courts. I've stopped having serious pains after my saturday social doubles matches (I can kill everybody on-court, but it is great fun and does wonders for my fitness - I'm moving 100% of the time) When I play against decent opponents with decent knocking of the ball, the pains are all-over. My list as of today:

    Golfer's Elbow (I'm doing something wrong to have this - must be my technique and recent switch to sw to learn a more "modern" forehand)
    Shoulder (Serving, I'm doing something wrong)
    Inside of bicep
    Stiff back (left side, serving)
    Joints on the ankles (footwork, much better than it was)

    For the serve and forehand I'm video taping myself on Sunday. If it doesn't look too bad, I'll post YouTube links. If it looks really bad, I'll probably post links anyway to get some internet coaching.

    I wonder about the golfer's elbow and my Poly mains - I'll maybe cut them out and put in a full multi stringjob to see if the stringing is not causing this. First however, I want to see what I look like and if I'm not doing something really bad somewhere. (Hence the video taping.)
     
  6. Moz

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    Where are you based?

    The best players in both age groups are similar but they seem more inclined to play in the US than the UK. The US has a lot more depth and a much better turnout at the larger tournaments.

    If you compared someone ranked 10th in both countries the US player would almost certainly destroy the UK player.
     
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    moz - really enjoy your blog and your posts. i actually saw you hit and play some the other week. i was playing some dubs with sup2dresq (or was that sup2dresq was toying with me?) -- either way you looked like you had a very nice game. certainly a good chunk better than what i've seen from 4.5's i know.

    if you started off this venture at 4.5 level -- do you feel you've improved a lot or is it still a work in progress?
     
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    Here in the states. And thanks for the input.
     
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    Thanks mate - appreciate it.

    I would say I was on the verge of 5.0 when I started judging by my 4.5 league results. Any improvement has been incremental so far, but I think my movement is better and my second serve has improved a fair bit.

    Groudstrokes wise it's difficult to tell although my transition game is significantly better. I think I'll be a solid 5.0 by the end of the year. :-?
     
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    So the academy is treating you well, eh? Just read the blog! When are you returning to the US again?
     
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    It's going well so far thanks. It's great hitting with players like that regularly.

    I'll probably be back at the end of June / early July. I'm going to try and get to nationals with my mens team.
     
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    Just reading the blog Moz...I'm so jealous of the time that you're able to dedicate to your game at our age. I hit 3000 balls every day at least but none of it is for me!! Great dedication and enthusiasm as well. You'll cruise to a UK 5.1 rating, but do you know how many wins you have of each rating and what you win to loss ratio is? That'll give you a good idea of what your rating will do when they get released next month.
     
  13. Julieta

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    You're going to have to be really careful or you're going to get injured (which could lead in going back to the dreaded workforce). Do you take ice baths? Stretching? Yoga? Can you do any of this training on clay? Are you just hitting with these kids or doing fitness with them also? If you can, try to do all of your fitness stuff as low impact as possible, such as sprints in the pool versus on pavement, cycling etc. for other cardio.
     
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    Moz - I'll be in the London area the week after Easter Sunday. Let me know if you are playing anywhere.
     
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    Thanks! At 5.2 I have 8 qualifying wins and 2 qualifying losses. Assuming things don't go **** up tomorrow I should get moved up, unless the computers iterations do me in.

    Maybe we could get some doubles in later this year at one of the tournaments - I promise to have my volley sorted by then!
     
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    Hi Julieta, thanks for the tips.

    Some of these are long term things that I just play through with a few aspirin. Clay is out most of the time unfortunately - just not popular over here.

    I warm up properly and stretch afterwards (most of the time!). I've been keeping the aerobic stuff mostly low impact - mainly rowing machine and treadmill. I do my sprints on grass. I'm also doing light weight / high repetition weights.

    My ice bath days are behind me - partly because it's difficult to buy bulk ice here in the UK and our freezers are tiny! Sounds lame doesn't it!

    I have always played through injuries and I'm just going to have to keep my fingers crossed! Most of my problems went away in Florida last year on the clay courts - I'm a bit stuck here.
     
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    Hello mate

    I am actually. My next tournament is on the 21st to the 24th March in Ealing (West London), which would be easy for you to get to. If I'm still in it I will be playing on the sunday and monday. The entry list is not too intimidating. Will you be in town then?

    The next one after that starts on the 30th march south of London, but I probably won't be scheduled until later in the week.

    Let me know how all this fits in with your plans.
     
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    I arrive into Heathrow on Monday morning and don't have much going on that day - so it could work well for me if you are still playing.
     
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    Ok, great. If I'm still in it, it will be the final and maybe we can hit before / afterwards. Must admit I'm not looking forward to playing outside in March on those really slow courts though!

    I can send directions and details closer to the day. Heathrow is about 10 tube stops away. Will you have a cell phone with you?
     
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    I doubt I'll have my tennis gear as over there on business, but will definitely have a cell.

    I sent you an e-mail (from your blog site) with my contact information. Hopefully it will work out!
     
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    Do you know how many wins you've got over 5.1's and 4.2's, including that jammy win over me (i'm getting bitter in my old age)...you could double jump! And whats the deal with going all the way to Estonia to play on indoor artificial grass??!
     
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    Ha ha - at least you don't hold on to these things! No chance of a double jump with the rest of my results unfortunately.

    I'm trying to think of another reason that I may have to go to Estonia in my life but can't. I like to visit at least 4 new countries a year, I haven't been and it's one of the few 4 day tournaments on the calendar.

    Apparently the women are quite hot also!
     
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    getting my wisdom teeth yoinked this tuesday... and it might be raining the rest of the weekend so i might not be playing tennis for a while! what a tragedy. you guys better get plenty of playing in for me!
     
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    I'd still be up for Estonia as well if you want wing man for your exploits!! Also dubs at the nationals might be a giggle? How did it go last night at the Matchplay?
     
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    Excellent! I may have found a translater for the application at the matchplay last night - a Slovakian who'd studied Russian as a schoolgirl!

    I'd definitely be up for doubles at nationals. I'm really looking forward to that tournament.

    I went 1-1 at the matchplays last night (6-4, 4-6, 5-10 & 6-0, 6-1). An interesting night. I played really well most of the time, got badly hooked in the championship tie break and learnt a few lessons!! A success overall. I'll put more details in the blog.

    Did you say you were playing at Ipswich next weekend? I didn't see that tournament.
     
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    Good luck. I got 4 out and was back in action a few days later. These enforced breaks often do more good than harm.
     
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    Most people try to hook a match tie break, some guy actually stopped playing and moaned about a line call for about 20 mins because of a ball called out which was obviously out and he was 7 - 4 down.

    It really is annoying, so your going up rating still?


    Btw if your interested I won a match yesterday 0 - 6 6 - 1 10 - 3(MTB) :)
     
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    Good result mate. What was his rating?

    I think mine should still go up as I am 9-3 in qualifying matches.

    I hit a volley at 2-3 down, a clean winner right next to him. He cheated, simple as that.
     
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    8.2, yeh that happens all the time. Unfortuently you cant do anything about it, there seem to be a lot of cheats everywhere you go. I one day hope to get to a level with line judges:)
     
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    Lets do the dubs in Bournmouth then. I'm putting my entry in after the tournament in Ipswich. Its indoor and i won it last year so i'm defending points and aslong as a couple of other guys are doing nothing that weekend and i do well it should take me to 5 nationally and so a better seeding for the Nationals, thats teh plan anyway!!
    Keep me posted on Estonia, i'm probably not working that week and i've got a pass from she who must be obeyed so could be good to go.

    PS. Who did you loose to last night?
     
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    I got all four of mine out this past summer, and was out a week...I had a lot of swelling though. I can't imagine you'd be out more than that, probably less. Good luck!
     
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    Okay, deal.

    Good luck at Ipswich - are sure you're defending points? I thought it was just the top 3 results for vets. Looking at the rankings it seems almost mandatory to win a match at national clays to get a decent ranking as there are so many points available - a seeding spot would be very useful.

    Will keep you posted.

    His name was Max but they've taken the entry list down and I don't remember his surname.
     
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    Woke up this morning to a pretty consistent downpour.... Couldn't play my matchplay:(.
    Hitting an ace from a 2nd serve. A feeling I havnt experienced in a while. I use to hit quite a few when my 2nd serve existed. I still havn't got it back and have no idea whats wrong:neutral:
    Hope the weathers alright for the tourny next week! Havnt played nearly enough tennis the past week and a bit.
     
  34. Julieta

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    Sounds like a good plan! Honestly, I wish I could be more disciplined about stretching. That's why I go to yoga; so I'm forced to strech. If I'm injured or at a tournament (those two things seem to go together more often than I would like unfortunately) I will stretch, but the rest of the time I'm really bad about it.

    I forgot that the rest of the world does not have giant freezers to go in their giant houses! Maybe you can sneak in to one of the football clubs and use their ice room!

    Are you planning to play the US Clay Court Nationals? The mens 35s are in Nov and the 30s in Dec. this year.
     
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    No doubt it will be windy and **** down with rain.... the forecast is average
     
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    Stretching is usually the last thing I want to do - agreed there.

    The football clubs wouldn't have an ice room, just a bar. I'm trying to stay away from those.

    I'm expecting to play both those tournaments, but without a hangover this time. How about you?
     
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    thanks guys. the doc said something about only needing one day off... maybe because i am young he thinks i will bounce right back? but i gave myself two days off from work so hopefully it is enough. i know my body will be thanking me as i rest! playing so much this season has taken its toll, and now is as good a time as any to relax and recover!
     
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    In my experience, when you are playing and training at a very hard pace, one day off doesn't help much, but if you can string two days off together, it is a huge shot in the arm.

    On the first day off I am still hurt, tired and worn out, I just don't have to play that day. On the second day off, I feel human again, and on the third day when it is time to play again, I am ready to run through a wall.

    J
     
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    Well, I had my singles match this morning, the first time I've played singles since the appendix came out. This was at a tournament at my club that, unfortunately, seemed to be rather hastily put together.

    I had thought I was going to play D, a player that I would (should) easily beat...and I was thinking that would have been a great first round match for me.

    I arrived at the club this morning to find draws in disarray, and they had found a 'new' person for me to play. 8-game pro-set.

    We go out to warm-up, and immediately I knew I was in trouble. She was hitting deep, topspin shots, and even warming up, I was getting pushed way back. I wasn't comfortable at all, especially on my FH side, which is normally my strength and my weapon...particularly down the line to my opponent's BH.

    Well, we get started, and it is really tight...3-3, on serve. Then we traded breaks for 4-4. Then, suddenly, it was as if she found another gear, and figured out my serve, or just me in general, and she rolled over me to win 8-4.

    She was a *very* nice woman, though, and in chatting afterward, I find out that she had a full ride to college on a tennis scholarship.

    *blank face*

    At this point I approached the tennis pro who organized this and mentioned how he asked (*begged*) me to play two weeks after surgery (I was supposed to wait one more week) and then stuck me with the ex-college player. I was not amused.

    There is a consolation bracket, and my opponent for that is a woman at my club who I've beaten repeatedly. Not sure when in the world that match will actually take place, though, as the matches seem to be spread out over a week and a half.

    I know I should be happy that I got four games, considering my opponent and how rusty I am...but I don't like losing, and hadn't lost a singles match since November. Thus ends my streak.

    Next up, a singles tournament at the end of April, and another at the beginning of May. Need to find some doubles stuff to play in, too.

    Hopefully all the rust will be gone, and I will rediscover my FH by then. It is a sad day indeed, when the only groundstroke really working for me is my BH slice!!! :shock:
     
  40. Moz

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    Topaz - the main thing is that you're back on court and playing. It looks like you're planning on playing a lot of singles this year. Is that a new thing or fairly typical?

    Kissmyace: The Estonian tournament now have an english pdf file up on the website:

    http://www.tennisekool.ee/turniirid/bin/aotk_seniors_2008.pdf

    I'd be up for singles and doubles if you're still interested.

    Easyjet fly from Stansted leaving the 16th and returning on the 21st for £120 but the flight leaves at 06:45. The flight time on the way back is 12:00 so probably too early to leave on the sunday.

    I still need to find out how to actually enter, they omit that part.
     
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    I've always played both, even in my dismal high school tennis career (and I'm not exaggerating). When I started up with leagues, I was too scared to try singles, but after a while gave it try and got my butt kicked over and over. Took a break, and have been working on it in clinics and singles flights, and now plan to play at least some singles in league play, and most definitely in tournaments. I still have another month to go before I throw my hat in another tournament, though. Not much for me to play in around here!
     
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    yeah, i feel you jolly. i will be relaxing through thursday at least. the thing is i have a match tuesday against one of the 2 teams that i lost to in the first round of conference play... so i don't want to be rusty. i want to AT LEAST avenge one of the two losses... so i might as well start with the first one haha.
     
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    Hi Moz

    I am really proud of what you are doing. I was looking at your blog pictures and it looks like you are using AeroPro Drive w Cortex. Unless you are sporting a Paintjob like Nadal lol ;)

    May I ask you why did you choose that particular racket and how did you go about selecting your ultimate weapon or your quest.

    Also if you played with non cotex version what are your thoughts about cortex.

    -Goran
     
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    Hi Goran

    Thanks for the post and the good wishes! I am using an AeroPro Drive Plus w / cortex. No paintjobs!

    I had the "opportunity" to change racquets last year as I broke two of my racquets on a floodlight post within a week of each other.:neutral:

    I went to a local pro shop at a tennis club and took every demo they had. I then hit with each and lined them up along the back fence in order of preference. To be honest this one was light years ahead of the others so it was a no-brainer. I liked this way of doing it - otherwise I would still be considering my options 6 months later!

    In second place was the Roddick Pure Drive but when I nailed a serve it felt like my elbow would fall off. That didn't have Cortex but it's a stiff frame anyway. I haven't played with the APD without Cortex.

    After a bit of experimenting with strings I am now stringing the mains with Hurricane Tour @ 64lbs and the crosses with Conquest at 60 lbs. I am also trying a racquet with Pro Hurricane Tour (only difference) at the moment.
     
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    Have you tried Luxilon Original or my fav for APD TopSpin Cyberflash?

    IMHO Topspin Cyberflash is one of the best strings out there for this stick plus it's not that expensive.

    I have not tried hybrid in this particular racket but I am itching to try Klip w topspin Cyberflash combo.

    -Goran
     
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    Thanks for the suggestions.

    To be honest I'm happy with my current set-up and as I don't string myself I'm not as free to experiment with too much.

    I'm working on so much of my game at the moment that the last thing I need is set-up changes! Sometimes I feel you can over-analyse these things and you just have to stick with something and get on with it.

    When I'm happier with my game later this year I will start experimenting with adding some weight (I did see the other thread).

    Thanks again.
     
  47. Julieta

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    I should have said training grounds...where they have those ice room/tank/chamber things they always show the players in on Premier League World. They might keep beer in there also though so you may be out of luck!

    I don't know if I will play that Dec. clay courts. I probably will! I might play the grass courts. It's been years since I've played on grass and I'm a moonballer (!) but what the hell. I am planning on playing the hard courts in CA too.
     
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    I might be playing the grass courts in PA and am almost certainly playing the clay courts in December.

    What standard are you?

    You know where this is leading.....!
     
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    yeah, i finally reached that stage a few months ago. i was messing around with my setup so much that i never got the consistency i needed. now that i am playing everyday a simple change in my setup makes a big difference. keeping it the same just gives that consistency that you need. but then again... i also use cyberflash... haha.
     
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    Draws

    The draw for the tournament is out, I'm the no. 4 seed. If I can't win the whole thing it won't be because of a crappy draw:

    http://www.tournaments.org.uk/Draws/2008/WestMid/draw4.html

    Also - my flights are booked for an ITF Grade 2 in Barcelona next month and so are my flights for an ITF Grade 4 the following week in Estonia! :)

    I will be playing an ITF Grade 1 in Italy the following month.
     

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