Going to try the future circuit

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  1. tennis_pr0

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    Jolly if you ever come to philadelphia we can hit at the club I teach at.
     
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  3. tennis_pr0

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    At 166 in the world this is a whole other level. You are talking 7.0 here. Someone who plays challengers, wins some challengers, plays main draws, get into some of the grand slam events. 166 in the world can compete with the top guys of the game, maybe not beat them, but definitely compete.
     
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  4. tennis_pr0

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    I don't know if I can video any of the futures, but I will most definitely video some practice matched I play over the next few months. I am probably only going to play 2 or 3 futures. I don't have the money or time to travel and play a ton of them. I teach for a living. I just want to play in a few of them and see how I do.
     
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  5. President

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    Where do you teach? I live just outside of philly.
     
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  6. tennis_pr0

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    What town do you live in and where do you play?
     
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  7. Jeebs

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    Good luck -this should be interesting.
     
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  8. hersito

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    Yes, I was surprised that he was playing the future, I saw him a bit in the futures, and 2 days in the Peugeot cup (challenger) I think it was qf and sf, he is really small but he can hit the ball!!!

    That is why I asked, I don't know the level of USA futures but to even be able to play a 166 ATP ranked player in a futures would be awesome!
     
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  9. tennis_pr0

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    Hey guys, just got done a hitting sessions after my lessons and took a little 2 minute clip of some ground strokes. I will upload a longer one the next session I have. I added it to my original post on page one.
     
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  10. J011yroger

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    Have you been playing USTA tourneys to get your national rank up?

    It wouldn't hurt to play a few Nationals, and sectional champs to bolster your top 500 list position so that you will be accepted into the qualifying draws.

    It would be silly to travel to futures without a national ranking and possibly get turned down because the draw is full.

    It is usually a two year process to play the circuit.

    J
     
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  11. tennis_pr0

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    I have a good middle states ranking, but not national. I thought for qualifying tournaments mostly take anyone who signs up...
     
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    First they take people with ATP points, then national rank.

    If the draw isn't full then they take whomever is left.

    J
     
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    I looked at the past few qualifying draws and many of the players did not have national rankings....
     
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  16. Harry_Wild

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    If you win and get to the second round; I think you get one point and are ranked in the 1,000. At least that was the case back 5 years ago. If you win the tournament you get 5 points.
     
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  17. augustobt

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    That's a great initiative! Wish you the best and hope to doing something like that in the next 10 years.
     
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  18. tennis_pr0

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    Yeah if you win one round, you get one point, one point puts you like 1500-1900 in the world.
     
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    Good luck mate!
     
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  20. tennis_pr0

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    Thanks guys!
     
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  21. tennis_pr0

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    My friend Chris , who is 900 in the world, said that usually those who do not have national rankings get into the qualifying draws. If I can't get into a particular draw, I will just wait for one that I can. I'm not opposed to traveling a bit to find a draw that is open.
     
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  22. Devilito

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    You obviously favor your forehand and your videos show you hitting about %95 forehands. With that backhand if yours, trust me, in a futures match you won’t see a single forehand the entire match. I would like to see a video of you playing games or tiebreak’s against your top 1000 ranked friends instead of beating up on a 4.0 in 11s. Regardless, good luck! It should be a good experience for you
     
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  23. JoelDali

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    OP would most likely crush TonLars and bagel most top tier 4.5s in Queens section.

    Subscribed.
     
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  24. Relinquis

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    good luck! keep us posted.
     
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  25. Chanwan

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    i remember reading somewhere that the cut is around 120-130. not great odds...
     
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  26. DeShaun

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    I did not last two minutes watching that first video because it should have been edited...there's way too much discontinuity. I felt like I was watching new ball feeds every ten seconds, and not enough actual stroking.
     
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  27. Goosehead

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    hey you could play...

    FILIP PELIWO..unless filip is playing the challenger tour.
     
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    All $10,000 Futures have a 128-draw qualifying tourney. The eight winners of the fourth round get entry to main draw. Sign-up is Thursday afternoon and the draw is made with seeding going to players based on ranking points. You do not need a national ranking to sign up and very rarely will anywhere close to the entire qualifying field have ATP points. Quite often, the 128-draw is not totally full but when there are more than 128 guys at sign-up, a random draw of non-ranked players is made to determine who the odd players out will be.

    From my personal experience, the range of playing levels for qualifiers is very extreme. There are a lot of bagels and breadsticks scattered throughout the scoresheet for the first round. By "money day" (Monday is the R4 play day), you see the levels evening up and get some tight matches between seasoned players.
     
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  29. TonLars

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    Funny stuff
     
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  30. tipsytennis

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    Good luck, i always think if you have talent why not go for it. There is a lot of good players i know of but they don't seem to want to compete in any semi-major tournaments. Shame really as they are really good and could make $1,000s
     
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  31. vandre

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    here in the u.s., it is pretty standard that div 1 college players play in my local futures tournament and a couple of them have won it (like the no. 3 or 4 singles player on the d1 team iirc).
     
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  32. TennisD

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    Not quite; if you win a round in the main draw you'll pick up a point, but doing so involves either getting a wild card, or going through qualifying, where you're going to have to play at least one player who has a ranking, or at worst is a pretty good D1 player. And that's a best case scenario.
    This post comes to closest to having the right info; not all 10K futures have 128-draw qualies, but those that are in tennis hotspots like Florida or California, you're going to be looking at a 4-round qualifier. Also, you don't NEED a national ranking to sign up, but not having one means you go to the very bottom of the list when it comes to selection. That means wild cards, then ATP points, then national ranking, then everyone else. As for the entire Q field having ATP points, it does happen; one week I played a 15k where the last seed in qualifying was ~400 in the world, and several of the main draw guys played in Las Vegas the next week. A few weeks later, Q's were relatively easy. What I'm getting at is that it depends on a large number of factors, and you can't really predict what it's going to be like. Levels in the field do vary, but the number of "bagels & breadsticks" is usually low, especially if you're in an area where the game is more popular, and even more especially if you're playing a group of 3 or 4 weeks in a row.

    At the end of the day, I wish you luck, and I hope you have fun doing it, but honestly at your level you're going to have a tremendous struggle even in the qualies, especially if you're hoping to play these futures in the US. There are certainly futures events out there that are easy, and where people can sneak through to get a point or two, but none of them are held in North America. Not trying to be critical or negative, and as I said, I really do hope you have a good time, but I think it's very important for you to understand that you're going to come up against an entirely different level, even if you're lucky enough just to play guys who are cruising around in Div 1.
     
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  33. mcnota

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    any updates?

    fyi, i played a futures tournament in france in which an unranked qualifier beat the number 1 seed haider-maurer ranked around 120 at the time!

    but that is france :) not usa, the level of play in the futures between europe and the usa is like night and day
     
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  34. TennisD

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    The level of play in futures between Europe and the USA is like night and day? No. No, it's not.
     
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  36. Goosehead

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    whats it feel like to win your first world rank point anyone ??..

    wait like its Christmas for the next weeks world rankings to be out on the atp tour site..and see your name up in lights..take a screenshot and print it out..look at me, im ranked 1'742 in the world :)
     
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  37. JoelDali

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    When I retired from the tour in '87 I felt I was ready to help other 4.0s get their first ATP points but none of them ever did. They became solid rising USTA league 4.5s though.
     
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  38. TennisD

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    The number of 4.0s that have ever held an ATP point is exactly zero.
     
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  39. Dear Djordje

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    Grandpa used to dominate the pro circuit, but now he gets beat up by 4.0s. :cry:
     
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  40. hersito

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    So any news? did you play a tournament?
     
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  41. JoelDali

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    Some of the top tier national 4.0s if they had solid sponsorships and training opportunities could make a dent in the futures circuit. I think most rational minded folks would agree.
     
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  42. jmnk

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    hmm, tough call really, but perhaps not outside realms of possibility.

    If they play with light Wilson balls, in 70-74 degrees temperature, have the swingweight properly adjusted for wearing the wristband, use full-bed poly, have different setups to account for the changes in humidity, use at most 93 sq rackets, and have at least average service (and by that I mean consistently over 110mph) - I think sky is the limit. Perhaps they would need to be raising 4.0 though.... :)
     
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  43. JoelDali

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    The beauty of the rising 4.0 is a marvelous thing. He is cresting between existence as an average rec player and outright competitive baller. Bridging the gap to the futures circuit and into pure GOAThood.
     
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    Nice forehand...but they gonna murder your backhand...good luck!
     
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  45. BHud

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    Are you freakin' kidding me?????
     
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  46. BHud

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    Actually, a 4.0 is getting just good enough to ignore the reality of how bad they really are in the scheme of things. Huge egos with no game to back it up. I suppose if you started from scratch and built up to 4.0 later in life, that would be an accomplishment...but for anyone who played high level juniors or seriously in college (D1, D2, high D3), that level would be an embarassment.

    Sorry. Some of the things posted on these boards are just plain ridiculous...
     
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    According to the rankings list I'm looking at there isn't a 1742. There's several guys tied for 1668, and then 1764.
     
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  49. RodSmooth

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    Felt good at first.

    But then reality kicked in, it made no difference because I still kept having to play futures and make money.

    And first time I got a point I got to the quarters, I think it was like 4 points at the time.
     
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  50. RodSmooth

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    It's a struggle out there.

    There was a saying back when I played.

    "live in futures die in futures"

    If you dont make it out of the futures and challengers circuit by grinding through or wildcards, your going to be most likely stuck there, unless your winning them left and right.
     

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