Gonzales VS Rosewall: The Ultimate Battle Fight 2 - More Impressive Career?

Discussion in 'Former Pro Player Talk' started by Nathaniel_Near, Jul 22, 2012.

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So, who is overall greater? Who had the more impressive career...

  1. Ricardo Alonso ''Pancho'' González

    61.5%
  2. Kenneth Robert ''Ken'' Rosewall aka, Muscles

    38.5%
  1. pc1

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    Of course. To ignore head to head makes no sense. A head to head series of matches over a variety of surfaces indicates the strength of the players.
     
  2. ultradr

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    While Laver was achieving the grand slam on amateur tour, the older Gonzalez
    was playing in pro tour.

    When Laver started playing in pro tour, he was initially beaten up badly by
    Gonzalez. And Lever couldn't beat older Gonzalez until Gonzalez got really old, AFAIK.

    I think people hinges on that to say Gonzalez was way better than Laver.
     
  3. Xavier G

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    Yes. I'm thinking Gonzales may have been the greatest ever, or very close between himself, Laver and Rosewall I think, but that Rosewall's career just edges Mr Gonzales' career for his achievements in the Open era, the fact that he won more of the traditional GS tournaments and that he reached the Wimbledon and US Open finals in his 40th year.
    They both had longevity, about equal in that respect.
     
  4. Xavier G

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    Thanks. Gonzales must have been some player. I know Jack Kramer rated him very highly. I would like to have seen him play live.
     
  5. pc1

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    Yes but you also have to take into account Gonzalez was very old (became forty in 1968 when Open Tennis started) during the dawn of Open Tennis. Rosewall was a lot younger and had a different game from Gonzalez.

    Laver wasn't that good at 40 either but that doesn't take away from his greatness. Perhaps the best 40 plus player of all time was Bill Tilden. Actually you could easily argue Bill Tilden was the best of all time.

    Bear in mine that the one night stands aka head to head tours were considered clearly more important than the Pro Majors. Gonzalez prepared for them because if he won he was the World Champion. If he lost he was a has been. That's how they did it at that time. Gonzalez won many head to head tours for the World Championship.
     
  6. Xavier G

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    Gonzalez/Gonzales won many head to head tours, I know, he was the king for a long time in the pro game. I've read Jack Kramer's and Ken Rosewall's accounts, maybe I will find out more from Pancho's viewpoint.
    Gonzalez turned 40 in 1968, Rosewall in 1974, six years difference in age basically. It's not Rosewall's fault he's younger and the Open era came around when it did, he's got to play his tennis.
    Gonzalez was a big man 6' 2 or 6'3 with a big serve, a big weapon for him. Kenny was 5'7 or thereabouts so they had different games. The indoor tours suited Gonzalez' game by all accounts. I think he must have been a great player.
    Really, whose career you prefer is just personal choice, I don't think there's a wrong answer.
     
  7. pc1

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    I agree. They are both super players. Gonzalez was 6'3 1/2" by the way.

    They do have a number of things in common. Arthur Ashe once wrote that the two players with the greatest footwork he had ever seen were Gonzalez and Rosewall. They also are very smooth elegant players in all strokes.
     
  8. hoodjem

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    Muscles has more slams and greater longevity.

    Pancho has more years as world no. 1 and greater dominance.

    Six of one, . . .




    (In a battle for the defense of the planet Earth, I'd probably take Gonzales.)
     
  9. kiki

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    Both even.Gonzales may have been tougher head to head but Rosewall was steadier, specially on clay.

    There was a surface, wood, not used anymore.Pancho would´ve been probably the best ever wood player of all time.
     

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