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  1. Rickson

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    Frank Shamrock is scheduled to fight Cung Le in March. These 2 are both great fighters, but I can't root against either one. Frank's a complete fighter with all the tools and Cung is an awesome striker with great takedown defense and great takedowns from his San Shou days. If I absolutely had to pick a winner, I'd pick Frank due to his ground skills and experience over Cung, but I don't want Cung to lose either due to the fact that he's the fastest rising mma star with the best strikes in mma currently. You'd think it would be a good thing to see 2 of your favorite fighters actually fight, but it's a dilemna. Hopefully it goes to the judges because I'd hate to see either fighter's career go downhill due to a KO or a sub.
     
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  2. Rickson

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    Ken Shamrock is fighting in England as a heavyweight. Ken feels that he has an immaculate record as a heavyweight, but wants to go down to 205 to fight Tito once again. If Ken is so great as a hw, why doesn't he let Tito go up in weight to prove his point?
     
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  3. BiGGieStuFF

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    televised in the states?
     
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    Ken wants more from Tito? He never was a good loser.
     
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    LOL Tito wasnt all that crazy either...he lost to Liddel ffs. Liddel is as old as my grandpa, and has a pot belly, but still was able to recently beat Silva in UFC 79 (i think). It's all about Fedor in K-1 and Crocop.
     
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    Is Cung Le the guy that does the "scissor-kick-take-down-thingy"? If it is, how much weight is Frank dropping to fight that guy? Unless the other dude has really put on weight since the last time I saw him.

    Or maybe I'm thinking of the wrong guy...
     
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  7. A.J. Sim

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    Why would Ken want to fight Tito AGAIN? He got toasted in the previous times they fought and it didn't look like it was even close. Ken's a legend of MMA but he's deluding himself into thinking he can beat Tito.
     
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  8. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    Nobody beats Ken Shamrock 10 times in a row!
     
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    CroCop, oh how I miss his sweet strikes :(
     
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  10. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    Deadly for sure, but he has a glass jaw..
     
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    I was never terribly impressed with Ken Shamrock's skills. He lasted as long as he did with with Royce Gracie in their second bout (the Superfight) thanks largely to his superior strength.

    But then his bouts with Tito revealed that Shamrock had diminished substantially in his stamina and lacked the speed and skills to hold his own against the likes of Tito.
     
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  12. scotus

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    Funny, but if given the opportunities, Tito will beat K Shamrock 10 times in a row.
     
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  13. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    Because of age i agree.. Prime sham vs prime tito i dont think it's even close..
     
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  14. A.J. Sim

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    Agreed. I enjoyed reading your battle with BreakPoint on the Lendl-Becker thread.

    Did Shamrock's years in the WWF permanently ruin him as a real fighter?
     
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  15. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    Thanks.. I dont know what happened to shamrock.. I remember watching him in the early ufc but he seemed to disappear. Also i'm not sure but wasent the ufc banned for a while after the early ufc's?

    Cant blame him for going to WWF.
     
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  16. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    Ken beat gracie if they would of scored on points. His stand up strikes were not as fierce as someone like Liddel, but did you see what he did to gracies face with one punch? Combine that with he was one of the few who knew submission, strong and in shape like a mofo- he was one of the most dangerous HEAVYWEIGHTS in the world at his time.
     
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  17. Rickson

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    He would as a lightheavy, but I'm not so sure a heavyweight Ken can be taken down so easily by Tito. Ken used to be extremely difficult to take down, but the lighter weight (205) and old age seemed to catch up with him when they fought those 3 times. There's still that what if factor and if Ken is successful like he thinks he'll be as a heavy, then maybe Dana White will let them fight as heavies.
     
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    Frank will KO Cung, I think. Frank is too well-rounded of an MMA fighter. Cung is no slouch, don't get me wrong. But Frank is another level. Cung hasn't gotten tested yet. If Frank is healthy, and actually trains for the fight, he can easily turn it on and do what he did to Baroni. The difference there was that Frank was motivated, while I think he might be lacking motivation if he fights Cung. Baroni had really pissed Frank off, thusly the 'I'm about to tuck you in' thing (1:29 of the following video) that Frank did to Baroni right before he knocked him out.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2140992586999462744
     
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  19. Mister G

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    MMA :roll: *sigh*...
     
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    Prime Tito would destroy prime Ken. Ken was good back in the day because he was one of, if not THE first true MMA fighter. A big, strong, well-rounded fighter. But today he wouldn't be a superstar, people learned from guys like him and Royce and at this point have taken it several steps further. Just look at what Hughes did to Royce, and Royce's style was never predicated on youth, there is no reason why he couldn't be just as good today. And with the roids he was on, he was probably stronger in his fight against Hughes than he was during his UFC heyday. His dad fought when he was like 80 or something.

    Anyway, I think Frank is going to beat Cung Le but I'm still really psyched for this fight. Cung Le is one of the most exciting strikers in MMA, and a athletic freak, but I haven't seen any ground game from him at all. Frank will come out and exchange just to get the crowd going and to prove he's not afraid of mixing it up with him, but at some point he's going to take it to the ground and probably dominate.
     
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    Why did Gracie fight Hughes? I'm one of the believers that thinks that age is a huge deal in MMA, and that it is expected for a younger fighter to beat a much older fighter.
     
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  22. Rickson

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    Have you never heard of Rickson? Rickson was the best fighter around while in his 40s and no, I don't speak in the 3rd person.
     
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    LOL...the entire Gracie family is baller.
     
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  24. CAM178

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    Rickson, unfortunatley, you and I both know that unless a fighter has been on TUF, or is a beltholder in the UFC, that the average MMA fan does not know who Rickson is. I put this up there with not knowing the name 'Fedor' when it comes to fan travesties in MMA.
     
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  25. CAM178

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    Sakuraba might have something to say about that! :)
     
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  26. Rickson

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    How can any mma fan not know Rickson? Rickson was the greatest fighter in mma history.


    You know, the more times I read what I wrote, the more I feel like Tarzan.
     
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  27. Hot Sauce

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    I've only picked up an interest in MMA since the last year or two, so I've only actually heard of him.

    But please, do tell me more about Rickson Gracie. What was he best known for?
     
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    He had a sick, sick ground game, and was tough as nails. Watch any of his old training videos. . .unbelievable. He was 10x tougher than his brothers. Also, he never lost.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTi_E78DSK4
     
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  30. Hot Sauce

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    Wow that ab workout is hilarious.
     
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    Has he fought any other big names?
     
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    To be honest, I haven't heard of any of those guys except Zulu. Also, how come he only had 11 MMA fights?
     
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  34. CanadianChic

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    Rickson Gracie is pretty hot. Okay Ricky, time for a little less talk and a little more action. I think you should post some photos or video of you competing. I would honestly like to see this.
     
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  35. Rickson

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    I don't compete in mma, CC. I have some good sub skills, but I haven't got time to cross train. One day you'll get to see what I look like, CC, one day.
     
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  36. CanadianChic

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    Haha. Is that a threat or a promise Ricky? ;)
     
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  37. Rickson

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    Will a bench press video suffice? The quality isn't great, but you'd see that I'm not all talk when it comes to my pressing power.
     
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  38. CanadianChic

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    Well, I've never thought you were all talk, but sure...a bench press video would be fine. :)
     
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  39. Rickson

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    Hang tight, CC. BRB
     
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    CC, you there?
     
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  41. mcpon

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    I would kind of have to agree here. I mean, did you see the St. Pierre fight with Hughes in UFC 79? Even Hughes admitted that it was a young man's world in MMA.
     
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  42. CanadianChic

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    Yeah. (10 char)
     
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  43. Rickson

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    Oh no! The horror of this pic!
     
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  44. CanadianChic

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    There's nothing at all wrong there. Is that you?
     
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  45. Rickson

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    That was me! If you blink, you miss it.
     
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  46. CanadianChic

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    LOL. I understand if you want to edit (privacy and all) but thanks for sharing. You are a good looking guy and now I can put a face with the posts. Thanks. :)
     
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  47. Rickson

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    Oh man. I forgot to tell you that it's a really old pic. The bench press video is more recent and you'll see that I had gained a lot of weight, but I was quite strong in the video even with a bad shoulder. Unfortunately, the vid will take a while to upload so hang tight. That means not today. Soon, but not today.
     
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  48. CanadianChic

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    That's cool...it's getting late here anyway so I'm off, but thanks again. Just grab my attention when you are ready to put up the video.
     
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  49. Rickson

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    Thank you very much.

    Yes I will.
     
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  50. Hot Sauce

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    Put Your Insecurities Aside And Post The Damn Pic!
     
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