Goodbye, Maryland tennis

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  1. wanatabe mixer

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  2. Clemson_tennis

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    Wish it wasn't so. They were a rising tennis program. Historically abyssmal but recent years saw improvement.

    Joins Arizona State in the graveyard
     
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  3. mmk

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    Thank you Randy Edsall
     
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    rumor has it they need to raise 8 million to keep the program.

    We shall see, I don't see anyone giving the program the money but who knows.

    TCCP - Tennis Center College Park is a premier national training center for juniors (probably one of the best on the East Coast outside of FL...Beatrice Capra, Dennis Kudla and many others have made their way through there....Frank Salazar does a great job....

    That being said, UMD used to use that facility for everything so I guess the only positive is possibly more court time for juniors...ect.

    Still stinks for UMD though.....

    I went to UMass for a few years before transferring to Penn State - UMass cut ALL mens tennis back in the day...guess its one of those bubble sports.
     
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    Ahhhh once again Title IX rears it's ugly head.....
     
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    The article makes it pretty clear that the causes are many:

    • lack of significant revenue from basketball and football
    • lack of state support
    • poor internal fundraising
    • overall economic doldrums
    • too many teams overall (3rd in conference)

    To pick Title IX as the bogeywoman here, especially when both men's and women's teams are going to be cut unless they raise money, doesn't do the complexity of the situation justice. Without financial support -- from the state, the boosters, the revenue sports, the foundation -- it does seem very difficult for the institution to support nearly 30 non-revenue sports.
     
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    Bashing Title IX is usually done by males who lose to 10 year old girls
     
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    or done by people who see supremely talented tennis and baseball players getting 1/5 scholarships while semi-taleneted womens divers get full rides.
     
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    Classy. 10 char
     
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    they didn't cut the women's tennis program ... no ?
     
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    More like, thank you Women's La Crosse. :roll:

    I'm pretty upset that Women's Water Polo got the axe. Some of these programs are sort of ridiculous.

    These teams should go find sponsors.

    So, how are 25 year old former satellite pro Europeans and South Americans supposed to get tennis scholarships paid for by Maryland residents now? This is an outrage !!! :)

    The only two revenue generating sports in major colleges are men's football and basketball. Every other sport is a net drain.
     
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    Now that the cost of college education has even become a focus of student demonstrations, I think we'll be seeing lots of schools eliminating varsity tennis, among other sports (because of budget cuts, not the demonstrations). Too much money spent on sports students can play on their own. I love tennis, but not as much as I love people having access to somewhat affordable education, so I think it's the right thing to do. The priority of colleges needs to be accessable education. College sports in America has become a monstrosity that needs to be scaled back. If it were up to me, there'd be no sports scholarships whatsoever. The idea of funding students because they partake in an extrcurricular activity is ridiculous. Financial aid should be based on need and academic potential. Period.
     
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    But women's lax and field hockey actually win national championships (I've followed both for years). So, if you were going to cut a program, would you cut one that wins championships, or one that is average at best?
     
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    That's right, without Title Nine, the school can just end all women's sports.

    Bad enough that they are allowed to go to college, and take jobs away from men.

    Bad enough that we let them vote, so that they voted in all these Liberals and ruined the country.
     
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    If UMD hadn't squandered millions of dollars by giving it to foreigners and minorities they would have plenty leftovers to fund American only athletics.

    Tennis is a sacred white male institution in colleges.
     
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    I think schools should get rid of athletic scholarships period; academic scholarships only.
    Otherwise, the tail ends up wagging the dog.
    See Penn State for details. :)
     
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    I don't understand
     
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    I kept waiting for you to say something facetious, because you usually do that. Did you hit the enter key prematurely to submit the post? :)
     
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    First thing they need to do is replace the PhD professors who make $200K and don't do crap with real teachers. That alone could allow for lower tuition rates.
     
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    Maryland men's tennis team is full of foreigners ... recruit mainly from Romania ?? is that true?
     
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    attempt at dry humor Id imagine
     
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    I'm not sure about the other guy's playing history. But I was a D1 college player...I played in the lineup and received scholarship money at a top 10 ranked school. If you gave me a petition to sign to drop all of college athletics, I would sign it. In my experience, college tennis was a huge waste of money and time. Its not financially worth it for the school. IF they keep any sport it should be Football and Basketball in some places. Only because they generate revenue. Other then that, all sports should be dropped, academic instituions should be for academics only.

    Just my opinion
     
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    To be clear it's the way title IX is implemented and used is the problem...my daughter is at a D1 school in Maryland playing Lacrosse and choose that over tennis (she had offers for both) so I think title IX is needed and i love it. But the admins implement it in such a way it's usually the men's non rev teams that suffer.....all the reasons given above all lead back to football having 85 scholarships and if your team sucks and not bringing in $$$$ other sports suffer and the men's sports get to go first.
     
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    No how about someone who payed for and busted his ass for a D1 team for 4 yrs and coach at another only to see them both cut due to the way the schools admins deal with it. (both in Texas btw).
     
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    Someone explain to me why football needs 85 scholarships?
     
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    Coaches will say they need to be 3 to 4 deep at every position - coaches need to have the ability to stock bodies and lock in the future players.
     
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    Not too many schools actually make money on the so-called revenue sports:

    http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/06/22_college_football_programs_m.html

    By the way, pretty impressive for someone from Texas making a lacrosse roster on a D1 team in Maryland, considering the lax talent pool here (I'm in Maryland).
     
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    The problem with Title IX is that they require an equal number of scholarship to be given to both men and women. There are more male athletes at almost every school, so it's not really fair.

    Yeah, football getting 85 full scholarships seems ridiculous, but it is the only sport (outside of certain basketball schools) that actually generates revenue. So in that respect, they deserve it.

    But those 85 scholarships severely throw off the balance between men's and women's scholarships. So in most every other sport, women get full scholarships and guys can only get half.

    It still makes no sense to me why they'd cut men's tennis and not both programs.
     
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    Yep. Only two I know of one at Mount and one at Towson....we wanted her to take the offers she had at Denver, Standord or Cal but she just HAD to go to Maryland. Her other teammate signed with Stanford - we have 3 solid girls programs in Texas: Cypress, St Johns and Hockaday - all have put kids who are starting at Stanford, Mount, William & Mary, Duke, Northwestern, Towson. The ***** is flying up for every freaking game.....what we do for our kids.
     
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    thats exactly the problem, most schools do lose money with football but they still must fund it and that's when the non revenue sports suffer and the sad part the men's teams take he first hits due to the way Title IX is implemented. In the end it all does come back to the title IX mandate as if the school has a strong football program that makes it to BCS bowls or have their own TV deals then funding sports not an issue, the moment football suffering then sports start getting cut as football costs a huge amount to run. I was involved at North Texas when they gutted most all the men's teams a few years back and with the tiny sports budget and football and basketball leaking money we couldn't cut any women's teams and dropped Tennis, baseball, Soccer, swimming and Diving.....all of the men's programs. UH did same thing.....
     
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    The link you provided does not say what you claim. Read more closely.
     
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    Well the report states that out of 126 D1 programs 63 reported and of that only 22 turned a profit.....yes the spin was in 2009 only 14 were in the black. That's still pretty freaking bleak.....that opening paragraph is a joke.
     
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    this is really sad. i was in the augural class of UMD club tennis. if only i had the money
     
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    My youngest just finished her field hockey career at an engineering school in Cambridge, Mass. I'll miss most of her final season of lax as I'll be in Oz. We didn't make every game this fall, but did make all her playoffs through to the elite 8. When she graduates not only won't I be shelling out ~$50K/year, I won't have to spend thousands on going up to watch her play.
     
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    Tell that to Pat Summitt, Geno Auriemma and Tara VanDerveer.
     
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    I don't even know where to start...

    I am a current DII collegiate athlete, and I don't get any scholarship. My college currently cut all scholarships for men's tennis, baseball, swimming, and wrestling, and completely cut our girl's golf team.

    That being said, I go to said college for free because of my academics. Even if I could get a scholarship on my team, I wouldn't need it. I feel like some sports don't need scholarships, and that academics should be placed on a higher place. I've seen too many athletes who get accepted to schools because of their skills, not because of their academics.

    Let's face it, 99% of athletes who play collegiate sports DON'T go on to play professionals. I think that ALL divisions should adopt DIII's rules on athletics and eliminate athletic scholarships completely.

    Oh, and saying that schools have a zillion 4.0 GPA students at my school doesn't cut it, the number of perfect GPA holding students at my school is most likely less than 5%.
     
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    I do find it amusing that apparently the only college sports that generate any revenue are local sports like American Football and Basketball that have no real relevance outside the US, especially football...

    Still, I guess there are professional pathways within the local environment, so it makes a kind of sense. Shame for real international professional sports such as tennis or (real) football..
     
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    3 out of 346 is not exactly a trend. Recognizing their accomplishments is warranted.
     
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    As a feminist, there was a time and place for Title IX and affirmative action, but that time has passed. Let it go. When there are 1/3 more male juniors playing tennis then females, they should have 1/3 more opportunities in college to play tennis than females not 70% less (or whatever percentage it equates to).
     
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    That's right, don't these school admin and professor know that the reason why we have university is so that we can have college sports. The nerve of them to suggest that the goal of higher education is education. It is a shame that these university fat cats are living in the past. America is a superpower, we don't need to do things ourselves, we can hire foreigners to do it for us, with the exception of athletics of course.

    Why do we have professors anyways they distract us from sports.
     
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    We need more than 85 for football. We really need about 500 for football but the liberals prevented us from fully funding football. On top of that they expect athletes to attend non sports related classes. This is just another example of liberal fascism, forcing their agenda down our throats.

    We need our freedom, freedom to play tennis without taking unnecessary classes, freedom from having to pay for it, freedom from having enough aptitude for it. Bring back the American way. America needs to be strong again.
     
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    Dont forget we really need tax cuts for the super wealthy. And another war.
     
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    What? why are girls and women playing tennis or going to school? These liberal, feminist agenda are ruining America. We were great when women stayed at home, bring back the 1930's when America was a power on the rise. Feminism, civil rights, desegregation, inter-racial marriages, gays in the military, helmets in hockey, unleaded gasoline, fat free bran muffin, automatic transmission, diet Coke, these things made us weak.
     
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    No, as a 0.1 percenter, we have ordered Congress and Obama to let us make the ultimate sacrifice. We the 0.1 percenter will agree to pay one dollar for every ten million dollars we make. In return for making this ultimate of ultimate sacrifice, we want to be given an honorary ranking of lieutant general with two Congressional medals of honor.

    As for the war, let us set up the companies first to benefit from the war and then we'll give the go ahead to Obama and Congress.
     
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