gosen og sheep micro reel

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  1. iscottius

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    I see alot of people recommending this string, compared to what? it is the worst string that I have come accross, it has poor feel, playability & durability.

    is there a difference between the reels & packages?

    Did I get a bad reel or is this a poor string?

    I play PSGD & Forten Sweet 16 and like them both alot.
     
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  2. rich s

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    I think the packages of OGSM play better than the Generic ($29) reels do.

    The packaged string has an oily finish to it, strings up tighter and plays crisper in my opinion.

    I have had problems with the 16g generic breaking at the frame during stringing of several different racquets (and the grommets were not damaged).

    I like the generic for crosses but I don't care much for it as a full string job.

    my $.02
     
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  3. spinbalz

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    Generic sheep micro is pure crap, moves like crazy, has no power, no control, no feel, does not provide good comfort, and durability is poor, but I can't say anything about the packaged OGSM, because I never try one from a package.
     
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  4. iscottius

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    Thanks,
    That's validating, I hated this string also

    Iscottius
     
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  5. Hedges

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    That's funny. I swear I read here many times that people loved this string (in reel form)! I just received mine. Doh!
     
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  6. Bryan Aldridge

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    RICH!!! I had the same problem... no bad grommets, and no I dont suck at stringing, what is going on with this OG micro reel??? I strung like 4 racquets, and everyone broke just sitting in the floor, all of a sudden. For the record, Tennis warehouse was professional about it, and replaced the string, with some other synthetic gut.
     
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  7. Steve Huff

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    I've had trouble with reels of the 16g OG Micro too. The 17g is less oily and up until recently, I used it for the crosses of a lot of hybrids. But lately, I've had a couple of stringjobs where it broke prematurely. Once, it broke in the middle of the frame, strung at 52#, before it had been played with. So, I've gotten a little gunshy about using this string for customers now. As for how it plays, I think its fine as a cross string in a hybrid. But, I think that Gosen has been splicing too many pieces together to make these reels, or something like that, which causes the poor durability.
     
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  8. racketrx

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    Interesting comments. I just want to weigh in on the positve side. I've used 5 or 6 reels of the 16 and 17 gauge with no problems. I list this as the best value string for my customers and have many fans of Gosen OG Sheep Micro generic from reels. There are better playing strings and higher durability, but this plays great for the price.
     
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  9. swatter

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    Another comment on the positive side of the argument. I have had 2 reels of the 17 gauge version and have not had a job break during stringing. A couple broke after 3 weeks, but it is a 17g syn gut. This string for me, and others I know, has good playability and acceptable durability
     
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  10. SW Stringer

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    I'm in the middle of my second reel of 16 gauge, and near the end on the second reel of 17 gauge with no problems from either reel. At about $1.58 a string job (avg 19 per reel) it's a great value.
     
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  11. rich s

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    I have not had a single problem with the 17g reels but the 16g reels seem to be extremely problematic.
     
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  12. Steve Huff

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    To be fair, I've had most of my problems with the 16g. Just this last reel of 17g had a couple of breaks, 1 while stringing the crosses, another in the crosses of a hybrid while the guy was warming up for the 1st time. To use personally is one thing, but when you're stringing for others, you can't afford to have strings break that soon. It can ruin your reputation.
     
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  13. rich s

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    Steve - I can't agree with you more. I've stopped using it on customers' frames for that fear alone.

    rich
     
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  14. SW Stringer

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    I'm wondering why people would be having more problems with the 16 gauge string vs the 17 gauge string. The thicker string should be stronger. Doesn't make sense. I use a Klippermate and have no problem with either. Could it be equipment related? I know how the string gripper on the Klippermate works. It uses the force of the string wrapped around the clamshell gripper to mash two "rough" surfaces against opposite sides of the string - so it's self adjusting to the thickness of the string. If I have a clear understanding of the linear string grippers which use two rows of ball bearings to mash the string between them - aren't they adjustable, but not self adjusting. So they could be too tight and mashing too hard on thicker string, but not on thinner string. Does that make sense? So is it possible that the equipment could be damaging the string each and every time you pull tension. Have you thought of that or tested for that possibility? Just curious, maybe Gosen OG-Sheep micro is more sensitive than other strings. What do you guys think?
     
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  15. rich s

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    I think OGSM generic reels are "factory seconds" that are sold at a discount price. I don't buy "the only difference is the lack of the printing on the string" It lacks the oily finish the non-generic has, it strings up differently and plays differently

    16g has been more problematic than 17g on a consistant basis. I have never had any other brand or gage of string break while stringing like OGSM generic 16 does. It is not my clamps, it is not my tension head, it is not my technique. If it were any of those I would have had major issues when I string gut (which is more easily damaged during stringing) and I don't.

    I don't think it is more sensative, I think it is Gosen trying to eek every penny out of every linear foot of string they produce by offering their 'seconds' at a reduced price.
     
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  16. Hedges

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    Just strung up a racket from my first reel of the 17g string. I *did* feel one irregularity in the interval of string I used. I marked the spot, so we'll see if it breaks there.

    I played two sets of *very* hard doubles tennis (2 Div 1 college bangers showed up at our club). The strings were great and really didn't move much considering the situation.

    My reel's label (not purchased from TW) says "Micro 17 All-around OG-Sheep Gosen". I assume this is the same reel as sold by TW???

    Thanks to all for suggesting this economical string.

    --Hedges
     
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  17. netman

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    Wow. I have never had a problem with the OG micro 17 reels. Love the stuff and string everything from wood to tweeners with it.

    Always assumed Gosen was just looking to maximize throughout at the string factory since a manmade fiber plant is a huge fixed cost investment. The more stuff per run you make, the lower the cost per unit. Since they have been making string for so long, I again assumed the reels were just incremental profit, since the initial investment has probably been recouped and setup costs are now the key cost driver. Why not crank out as much string as possible per run to lower the per unit cost?

    But it sounds like they may be passing off seconds in the 16 gauge. Seems like a stupid move given their customer quality focus, but you guys are very knowledgable and I don't doubt what you are saying about the 16s. Have you contacted Gosen? What did they say?
     
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  18. rich s

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    netman - I don't disagree but how frequently do you hear of companys reducing product cost to pass it on? -- usually they reduce product cost to increase profits or combat rising overhead. My suspicion is .. just the same way the makers of Natural Gut strings have their premier string for top dollar and then their second line string (nothing more than the premier line string that doesn't meet the higher quality control standards) at a reduced price, Gosen is doing the same. Why toss the less than perfect string in the trash when you can sell it at a relatively reduced price and still make a killing on it? Nylon is cheap as it is and at the volume that string manufacturers crank it out it is insanely cheap.
    Babolat and Klip both do it with the NG strings.


    I personally have not talked to Gosen, but I remember reading older posts where posters have called Gosen to find out what the difference is and Gosen's reply was the lack of printing on the string.

    :?
     
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  19. SW Stringer

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    rich s: How often does the breaking occur? I'm currently in my second reel of GOGSu16 - about 25 to 30 string jobs, and haven't seen a break. Does it occur once in 20, 30, 40, or maybe 50. It's possible that I'll see the same breakage problem but just haven't used enough string to get there yet.
     
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  20. rich s

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    On average I have seen it between once and twice per reel and it occurs in the crosses predominantly - the string hadn't twisted or kinked and the grommets were not damaged.

    I have shyed away from the 16g in favor of the 17g because I have never had the problem with the 17g.

    I don't use the 16g at all anymore (for customers or myself) and I have only strung the 17g for customers if they say "String it with anything, I don't care what you use" and they are not heavy hitters or big stringbreakers.

    I probably won't buy anymore after I finish the current reel - I haven't had this problem with ANY other string type, brand or gage.

    rich
     
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  21. Bertchel Banks

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    Don't know about the 16g, but I just did my 17th string job with the 17g without incident. Wonderful playability, great feel, it's the reason I use it for all over stringing.
     
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  22. Steve Huff

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    Like Rich, I've seen it mostly in the 16g (twice in the 17g, both from the same reel). I've had it happen 8 or 9 times with the 16g in about 3 reels. I still use the 17g some, though most people I have switched over to Prince Syn w/Duraflex or Wilson Stamina. 3 times, it has happened on Wilson Rollers models, though not near the rollers. 3 times it has broken while stringing, or before I gave the racket out. Both times it broke in the stringing machine, it broke in the middle of the crosses, not near the clamps. One I was about half way through the crosses, the other one I was nearly done (that sure pisses you off, I can tell you). It's unfortunate that it's been acting up like this, as it makes a great cross string in hybrids. It comes in natural, white and amber, so you can match about any other string you have in the mains too.
     
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  23. SW Stringer

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    I've posed this question before: "linear string grippers . . . . is it possible that the equipment could be damaging the string each and every time you pull tension?"

    I don't ask the above to question your abilities, to demean, or insult your intelligence, so please don't take it that way, it's mostly out of curiosity because of the red flag that seems to be raised when you say it happens more in the 16g than the 17g.

    Rich S responds: “It is not my clamps, it is not my tension head, it is not my technique. If it were any of those I would have had major issues when I string gut (which is more easily damaged during stringing) and I don't.” Rich, I understand the logic of your statement, I just don't agree with it. Gut construction is simply not the same as a monofilament core with a wrap so it may respond differently to the forces applied during stringing.

    Steve Huff says: "Like Rich, I've seen it mostly in the 16g (twice in the 17g, both from the same reel). I've had it happen 8 or 9 times with the 16g in about 3 reels. I still use the 17g some, though most people I have switched over to Prince Syn w/Duraflex or Wilson Stamina. 3 times, it has happened on Wilson Rollers models, though not near the rollers. 3 times it has broken while stringing, or before I gave the racket out. Both times it broke in the stringing machine, it broke in the middle of the crosses, not near the clamps."

    So, what kind of gripper do your machines use? Are they adjustable? Is it possible that the point of failure was a section that was contained in the gripper mechanism on a previous pull? Could it be that the process of gripping exacerbates an already weak point in the string - becoming the catalyst for failure? I'll repeat it again, I'm not asking the questions to **** you off, just out of curiosity. Thanks.
     
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  24. rich s

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    I have a ratcheting drum not a linear gripper and as I said in an earlier post, I have never had this issue with any string, brand, gauge, etc except OGSM generic 16. I have strung packages of OGSM in 16 and 17 g and never had the problem - it's as though the packages are a completely different string than the generic reels.
     
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  25. norcal

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    I'm on my 5th or so reel of the 16 guage. I have had a couple break near the frame so it was hard to tell if it was the grommet or the string...but overall it has worked very well for me.
     
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  26. Steve Huff

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    I have a linear gripper (Wise tension head). Someone mentioned that linear grippers could be adjusted, but that's not entirely true. A linear gripper is on ball bearins. The grippers slide backward (away from the direction of the pull) and get closer together as needed to keep the string from slipping. The higher the tension, the tighter they squeeze together. But, it doesn't keep squeezing together beyond what it takes to keep the string from sliding at a given tension. Also, if it were the gripper, I'd probably be having trouble with other strings as well. I'm not. And that includes many strings, from natural gut to polyester.
     
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  27. Matt H.

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    to be honest, i think the racquet you use it on plays a big part in the equation.

    When i was playing a wilson HPS 5.0, the generic og micro was perfect. I didn't need any extra power, just something with decent playability. That's exactly what i got.

    Now, with my Dunlop MW 200g's, it doesn't feel as good. It needs a good multi like X-1 biphase, or a gut hybrid (using the og micro in the crosses).

    I just hit with an all micro string job tonight, and it didn't feel right.
     
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