Got double bageled today. Feel like I never wanna play again

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  1. BabblingPsychopath

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    How humiliating. Double bageled in 48 minutes, including a 15 minute warmup.

    My partner and I maybe scored 10 points. It seemed every ball the other team hit was a winner.

    How long will the feeling that I never want to play again last?
     
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  2. axel89

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    lol u got double bageled in doubles
     
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  3. slowfox

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    It's just a game. Take your ego out of it. Enjoy a nice meal today. Spend quality time with your loved ones. Play tennis again soon.
     
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  4. jdubbs

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    Tennis is not for everyone. You have to deal with a ton of losing. Just the way it is.
    Man up.
     
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  5. NadalDramaQueen

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    That's funny, my partner and I double bageled a couple of clowns today. They gave us nothing but sitters that we relentlessly pounded for easy winners.

    Near the end, we tried to give them a few games, but they were so bad that they lost those as well.
     
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  6. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Hey at least you can sort of "blame" the bagels on your partner. :) (Just kidding, don't do that.)

    And wait until you get double bageled in singles, you may not want to live. Haha.
     
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  7. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I don't know if I want to give away games (again). I've done it a few times, but on one occasion, I was up 5-0 so I gave away the 6th game. And the dude came back to win the set 7-6 :(.

    It's hard to control the scoreboard.
     
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  8. pc1

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    Getting beaten badly is just a part of tennis. Did you feel that you and your partner played well below your normal level of play? If so just chalk it up as a bad set. If not you can use it as motivation to beat them next time. Maybe the both of you can figure out another way to play them.

    Heck Djokovic, Nadal, Murray and Federer all have been beaten badly at time. What should you guys be different?
     
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  9. NadalDramaQueen

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    Yeah, but these guys were so bad that we were sure we would take the set and the match. Hey OP, it looks like we are from the same area. ;)
     
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  10. IA-SteveB

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    The feeling will last for 24 hours. You have to be resilient to enjoy the sport.
     
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    The feeling will last about 10 seconds. Shake their hands, pack up your gear, and head to the club house. Got beat by a better team or a team that found every single shot go their way. Move on. Trust me. It only counts as one loss.

    Remember the women's tennis player that lost the "Golden Set?" Didn't win a SINGLE point in the set? Neither did I. Sometimes the grass is definitely greener on the other side.
     
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    In all seriousness, if you are playing at the rec level, there are many people in the world who could bagel you. Maybe they were sandbaggers, or maybe they were just much better players.

    The only real issue is if you felt that they were on or near your level, yet still got thoroughly out played. That is when you need to go to the drawing board.
     
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    Fix whatever you could have done better. If you played your best, forget about it. Be grateful you are healthy enough to play. Spend time with your spouse/SO, hug your kids.

    If this is the worst thing that happens to you all year, that's not so bad. Kind of puts things in perspective. Keep playing & have fun at it.
     
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  14. JoelDali

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    More Basalt. Need more Basalt. More feel.
     
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  15. Buford T Justice

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    Take up baseball to gain an alternate perspective!

    I have a mens league baseball team and also play tennis.

    In baseball, you are going to most definitely become accustomed to losing when at the plate. If you "win" only 30 or 40% of the time, youll be a legend!
     
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    I guess as long as it takes you to stop being a whiny crybaby...get over it beyotch!
     
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  17. Buford T Justice

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    As I re-read this, it sounded flippant.

    I didnt mean to come across as such....merely to point out that, in many other sports, losing, and losing very very frequently (almost to the point of it being "normal"), is expected. So, you can take solace in this...it happens all the time.

    And, I seriously doubt there is a single person on this board who hasnt been double bageled before. If someone could try make that claim, then it would be very obvious that they are only playing with people well below their level.
     
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  18. Buford T Justice

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    Also...another thing that usually gets forgotten is that tennis scoring exagerates differences.

    Example---

    If one were to win only 50% of all points played, and therefore be considered "equal" with their opponent in any other more simple scoring structure, one could still win the set 6-0.

    So, getting bageled doesnt always mean that the opponent was many many times better. It can mean that the opponent just won the "correct" points. We all know that, in tennis, all points are not created equal.
     
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  19. Mongolmike

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    I got beat in singles 6-1 today by a guy 1.0 NTRP grade higher than me. I was very happy about it.

    (Then we had time to play a bit longer and we were at 2-2 when we stopped. I was even happier! At that rate if we woulda played for another 4-5 hours I think I woulda eventually bageled HIM! Just kidding....)
     
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  20. Buford T Justice

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    Yes! I know the feeling. A couple of years ago I got lucky and was able to play a set with a guy who actually had a couple of ATP points in his previous tennis life (about five years prior).

    I lost 6-2 and was flippin tickled pink. There is no way i could have played any better and i doubt Ive ever played as well since. The only way I could win any points, which I very quickly learned, was by recklessly charging the net at every opportunity. Trading ground strokes was an exercise in utter futility. There was no way I was going to hit a winner on him as he could track everything down and send it back with interest.

    I am also 100000% sure that a second set and any others would have been bagels. I just had nothing left in the tank after one set like that.
     
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  21. slowfox

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    Sounded fine to me. And you made a good point relating it to baseball.
     
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  22. amorris525

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    That's actually not true, but I do get your point. In a 6-3 set this is definitely possible, not 6-0.
     
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  23. Buford T Justice

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    Yes the point is that tennis scoring exaggerates differences even if my numbers are off.

    I understand that, statistically speaking, there is a 2% chance of winning a set 6-0 when winning half the points.

    But yes, something like 6-3 would obviously be more likely.

    Let me dig up the old book I had on this and see if I can find the percentages for reference.....
     
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  24. Buford T Justice

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    I found the old book! It's an early 70's book by Rod Laver my father in law gave me a few years ago before he passed away.

    The article is only two pages so ill try and scan it and post it here. It seems to be interesting reading on the tennis scoring system, probabilities, etc.
     
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  25. amorris525

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    I see. I was thinking of only playing one set. In a best of 3 match, you definitely can. My mistake.
     
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  26. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    In all honestly, getting owned like this can be a good thing.

    If you were to lose a close match, then your opponent(s) simply outplayed you in key moments.

    But when you can't even make a dent on the scoreboard, then it's probably because you were hitting shots you aren't comfortable with. Or your opponent(s) put you in a court position in which you're not comfortable with.

    Either way, you can learn a lot from these lop-sided losses.
     
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    Thanks for posting the article.

    I'd say this: push yourself. I'd rather play up a level or two and get bageled than play the same kinds of matches against the same five or six guys from league play.

    My club has a pro who is ambidextrous and I've learned more with him playing lefty (he's a 4.5 lefthanded) than maybe anything else. Seeing the opposite hand taught me how to anticipate chips and drops really well, even if it meant buying him a few beers as penance for taking the bagel.

    Use it as motivation. My father-in-law is 83 and is a national super-senior triathlete champion. You better believe that motivates me at the gym and in the pool.
     
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  31. OrangePower

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    True story: league match, a few years ago, I beat a guy 0 & 0. But every game was close, just that I won the big points. Opponent was just getting back into the game after a long layoff. I could see that he had game. One year later, we came across each other again in league, and he beat me in 3 tight sets.

    Don't get discouraged; get out there and work on your game, and next time you will turn the tables!
     
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    The worst part about getting bageled is not that you lost. The worst part is that you might not get to play them again.


    Sometimes feeling the sting of losing is a good thing ... it gives you motivation and this tells you that you need to get better.
     
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  33. Nostradamus

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    Sorry to hear that. I had no idea. I double bageled some guys last summer but didn't know it was hurting them that much. I was on my game and my partner was better player than me too and he was on his game too after a bit of nervous start. Maybe I will make sure I give them couple of games next time.
    but don't feel bad cause it really isn't you. This can happen if player or players gets on a roll and is in the Zone. Just get out there and play more matches and win a match or two then you will forget all about this one.
     
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  34. dizzlmcwizzl

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    No ... I don't think you could evenly split the points and win 6-0. It is not possible because to win each game you must win 2 more points than your opponent. By the end you must win at least 12 more points.
     
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    I don't understand why anyone not on the tour would be upset by losing. As a rec player there are literally tons of people that can double bagel you.

    To me its far more heartbreaking to lose a close match to someone you think you should have easily beaten. No shame in getting whupped by someone who is just better than you.
     
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    I feel the same way
     
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    I feel that one day you and I will lock ourselves in a hotel room in Paris and write the greatest screenplay of all time.

    You are my Matt Damon.

    I am your Ben Affleck.
     
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    Lets plan on that. and make sure you bring that girl in the Avatar for inspiration.
     
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    You don't give a damn.

    That's what makes it even harder to accept that the dream will never come into fruition.

    My mom always said the ones you truly loved hurt the most.

    The world would have been a better place with us, within it. But your selfishness and proud heart torched the remains of what was left into a smoldering GOAT pile of Basalt Kevlar Leiona 66 ashes.

    :(
     
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    You are quite right. I think the person that posted that misunderstood the stat he/she was quoting.

    I haven't done the probabilities math myself, but I believe the stat is that if you are evenly matched with your opponent such that on every and any point there is a 50% chance of either player winning the point, then there is a 2% chance of the set ending up 6-0.
     
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    Thanks ... after I read the article he posted I figured out what he actually meant to say.
     
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  42. Buford T Justice

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    Yes that is how I should have worded it....much clearer.

    What the scoring system further does is, if one can merely win 20% more points than the opponent ( I.e. have a 70% chance of winning a point versus 50% chance) the odds of an apparently lopsided 6-0 victory increases drastically ( to 53% from 2%) and all but assures (99.98% chance) that the set will be won.

    But, in the words of Lloyd Christmas....."So, you're telling me there's a chance! Yeah!"

    That's one for movie buffs......

    http://youtu.be/KX5jNnDMfxA
     
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  43. schmke

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    If each player has an equal chance of winning a given game, there is a 1.56% chance of one player winning 6-0. But such stats ignore the ebb and flow of a match and assume every game really is a coin flip which we all know isn't the case through and entire set.
     
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    getting double bageled in doubles is a tough feat. How did you manage to get double bageled?? usually in doubles you can at least get 1 game somehow.
     
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    No doubt. This happened to me last season when I was playing up (on a 3.5 team). My captain knows I play singles and didn't have anyone else this one week so she kind of threw me to the wolves. I lost 6-0, 6-0 in about 45 minutes and I don't think it was even that close. I realise that she was quite a bit better than me and that I had no chance of winning, but it was still a tough loss to swallow.

    I'm over it now, but will not play 3.5 this season; I need more time to work on my game before attempting that again.
     
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  46. maggmaster

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    I lost 6-0 6-0 this weekend in an Open Tournament to the number one for a local d2 school. He was pretty excellent though so I didn't feel bad. He went on to win the consolation draw. In the main draw I played the number 3 for a d3 school with a high national rank and managed to win 4 games so I was happier with that result. Over all when you are playing up the real goal is to see what you need to improve to get to that level.
     
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    After 15 year layoff and playing maybe 1-2 in a year. I joined a league and got whipped 9-3 in my first proset. I thought i could beat this plsyer but I didn't
    Sometimes it's just a matter if getting your mind in the match. Court awareness. I have to say that if it wasn't my serve game I would have gotten bagelled as this fellow was unrelenting
    Some guys might loosen up and give up 1-2 games before finishing you off but I feel that is the same as getting beaten 6-0
    If the other team hits winners after winners there not much you can do.
    But I hate losing a match by double faulting lots or making easy unforced errors when ROS. That can be avoided and at least make the match competitive
     
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    Were you playing Maui19 by any chance? That would be amusing.
     
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    Buford T Justice, that's some great statistics out of Laver's book. Man, the difference of just winning 4% more points than the opponent makes a staggering 27% greater chance in winning a set.
     
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    A bad day on the tennis court is still better than a good day at the office.
     
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