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    TW's Spencer Boller (AKA Spenie the Blade) and Chris Edwards (AKA the Vlogman) have gotta want it as they get ready for an upcoming tournament in our latest video segment. Check in Tuesdays and Thursdays for new episodes showing their doubles training for the upcoming Vince Dente Memorial Day Weekend tournament at the Avila Bay Athletic Club & Spa. Please feel free to chime in if you know of some killer doubles drills you think the guys should try. Hope you enjoy episode one.


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    Didn't even know you guys had a youtube channel with videos. Ill be sure to check you guys out,thanks TW Staff :D
     
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  3. drakulie

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    haha. Great vid!!

    Good luck guys!!! Don't forget to wear your Drakulie Rulez T-Shirts. :)
     
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    Excellent segment guys! Really good. Few comments:

    1. The 1st drill (Bryans) I've done with a slight variation where both players basically go around the net post until both players end up where their opponent started. Then you go back the same way you came to exercise the other wing. Really requires some great touch when you get aligned with the net.

    2. Cross court drill we do where both players try to approach. Play to 11 and switch server.

    3. That PB10mid is a dream frame for an all court player. You should be spanking your opponents with it.

    4. Chris- Really like the new Asics. When are they expected to be released?

    5. Good luck! Go kick some butt!
     
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  5. Djokovicfan4life

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    *Waits for TW rating police to arrive and inform us that these guys would "get crushed by 3.5s in SoCal"*
     
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  6. drakulie

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    ^^You mean 2.5's in So Cal. :)
     
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    hahahaha yea please dont
     
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    I didn't either. Now I've spent over an hour watching videos. :oops:
     
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  9. tennis tom

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    What kind of tournament is this? If it has Senior Age Group divisions I would play in it even though I'm fat and lame. Avila's a really nice place and ABAC's a really nice club.
     
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  10. bad_call

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    did he say 5.0?
     
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    Yes. I thought that they were pretty good, but not 5.0 players...
     
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    Posted a comment on youtube! You guys rock, your my best buddies. Good Luck!
     
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    I like the sound of that modified Bryan Brothers drill. We will give that a try for sure.

    Thanks for the tips.

    Chris, TW
     
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  14. Who Dey Nation

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    they are 5.0s.
     
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    self rated or ntrp?
     
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    Everyone's level looks lower on camera.
     
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    I like the vid! :) Just one friendly advice for Spencer - concentrate on your backhand return!

    Good luck!

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    what do you mean?
     
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    Very nice, will work on these w/ my partner when we start competing this summer.

    Wondering, are there any good poach drills you can do w/ just 2 people?

    Maybe a serve or feed DTL from the service line and have the returner hit cross court and the server has to poach at it.

    would be my best guess.
     
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    ???????????????????????????????????????
     
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  21. larry10s

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    these guys are not 5.0 and will get smoked in their tourney, jmho
     
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    Looks like high ranked open level players to me.
     
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    ditto......
     
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    sandbaggers maybe? cause i look better on vid than actual play...tho can't believe i look so fat.
     
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    Thanks Bob. I know that's only one of the many things I need work on!!! Appreciate the feedback.

    Spencer, TW.
     
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    Chris is a 5.0, I am not. He's pretty steady while I can have my ups and downs. Hopefully I'll have more ups during that tournament! We're competitors...we'll see how it goes.

    Spencer, TW.
     
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    I liked the video & drills. Thanks & good luck.
     
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    Good luck guys.:)
     
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    What level tournament is this? Do you have a link to a schedule or entry? Thanks
     
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    Its open and ntrp if im not mistaken you can look it up on tennislink under the socal district.
     
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    Good stuff. Good luck guys!
     
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    Awesome stuff guys. Keep it coming!! Not bad, that RDC drill is not easy.
     
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    Thanks for posting the videos! Even though I'm a junior, I'll try these drills when I hit with my friends this weekend.

    In an unrelated question, what's the song playing in the background?
     
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    Keep up the good work Guys some really nice drills i think ill give them a good try tonight.
     
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    better session... now get down and give me 20 push ups maggots!! j/k - :)

    btw - who is shooting the vid?
     
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    Good luck and thanks for the vids. That alley-to-alley volley drill is harder than it seems. Amazing how easy the Bryan Bros make it look! Just shows how good those guys really are.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9qQbRitBRE
     
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    Great stuff! :)

    Chris, around 4:00: I think you swing too much (you lose power) and you hit late (contact point is approximately in line with your right ear). Try to hit in front of you with short-to-no swing. I am sure you know this all much better than I but I am just trying to give constructive comments :)

    Spencer: try not to drop the wrist when you hit volleys. When you hit overhead, extend your right arm a bit more, snap your wrist casually and do not muscle the ball in :)

    Go TW go! :)
     
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    BobFL,
    You are spot on. We are both swinging too much on the FH side.

    We are totally open to constructive criticism, partly why we are doing this segment before the tournament.

    Still plenty to work on before we are ready.

    Chris, TW
     
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    With the animals on this board, you sure about this?? :)
     
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    Those courts and the surroundings are beautiful! I just love California!
     
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    ^^^ No kidding....and to think these guys get payed for doing this!!!

    Tough gig.
     
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    We are? ;)

    Spencer, TW.
     
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    Where is the link to the draw?

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    Excellent!

    Good luck guys!

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    First, one must address technique and ball control. No amount of "focusing on split step" or doing "Bryan Brothers drills" can fix it. There needs to be first an intuitive hand-eye coordination and ability to hit the ball consistently in a given direction. One flashy stroke due to luck may look good, but foundations are what matter.

    Had the "pleasure" of watching several 4.0 and 4.5 league matches on a weekend morning a couple of weeks ago because I arrived early for my hitting. Level was embarrassing. Even more embarrassing was how one match degenerated into a fight over foot-fault calls. These guys play almost every day, and have been doing so for years, and many of them take lessons too. Yet they never seem to improve.
     
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    Chris and Spencer,

    I'm not fan of any doubles drills you can do as a team with both on the same side of the court, reacting to situations as a pair and learning to move as a pair. One drill that we get people to do is very basic but I do believe it has a lot of excellent points.

    Drill:

    1. Both partners stay on the baseline.
    2. Ball is fed to one of the two who hits an approach shot to a predetermined place (you can alternate through down-the line backhand/forehand and cross-court backhand/forehand from both sides of the court). On the first run through the approach is made by the partner in the forehand court, next time by the partner in the backhand court and continue to alternate.
    3. The person hitting the approach, naturally, follows the ball in AND so does his partner (that teaches you to move as a team).
    4. A tough lob (at or just beyond the service line - ie: one that can't be easily killed and might need to be placed ) is hit to the player who didn't hit the approach shot .
    5. As the smash is hit they continue to move forward .
    6. Then a volley (low, high, forehand, backhand - alternate) is hit to the player who made the approach.
    7. Players sprint back to the baseline and repeat until you've run out of balls or players are exhausted.

    It is very basic and mightn't sound particularly exciting but it is an absolutely key doubles drill. You learn to make the return, follow it in, follow it in as a team, move together as a team, handle lobs (a lot of people don't follow their return in because they don't want to deal with a lob) and volleys. The whole idea is to show that there is a routine way to play a doubles point that does not have to entail hitting a winner off everything and that doubles is a team game where one player works to set up his/her partner. The approach sets up the smash which sets up the volley. Also great for on-court fitness work.

    Downside: It does require someone feeding the ball to you.

    Question: On the return of serve Spencer often seems to be hitting either off the back foot or is caught flat-footed . While his backhand is strong enough to adjust and he can muscle the ball it does seem to greatly affect his forehand (I know it's hard to tell from just a few clips so excuse me if it's not normally that way). Has he considered preparing for the serve with one foot slightly leading the other (the way McEnroe used to prepare for his return of serve) ? It will mean that his weight is always going forward, rather than back. When he hits the ball he'll be leaning in to it, he'll take it a bit earlier and he'll get more weight into his shot. The downside is that you can get jammed by a serve to the body or to the backhand but if you have a strong, reliable backhand and enough strength to muscle the ball (which Spencer seems to have) it isn't such a liability.

    I have a similar problem - strong, reliable backhand, tendency to hit off the back foot on the forehand - and found that preparing with one foot leading the other did help quite a lot. Eventually I went back to a regular position but it had increased my confidence quite a lot. Now,if I get into a rut on the return it is something I do go back to, at least until I start making a few returns and getting it into my head that I should be leaning in, not back.
     
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    you tell him Spence... :)
     
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