Grand Slam for Fed?

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  1. britbox

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    Sorry, winning majors is a very big deal and winning the tournamount is what it's about - not beating a specific player. If Federer navigates a field that consumes Nadal then that tells a story in itself.
     
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  2. davey25

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    Injury consumed Nadal at the 2008 French, not one player specifically. Even if you disagree with me would you dispute that Cash winning Wimbledon 87 was a bit less impressive than if he had say beaten Becker head on to do it. Or does the enormous fluke of Doohan consuming Becker somehow make it even more impressive to conquer the field that consumed the dominant Becker.
     
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  3. britbox

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    Soderling consumed Nadal at the French Open. If you're on the court then it counts.

    I'm sure Pat Cash won't be losing any sleep about not having faced Becker to win his Wimbledon title. You play the tournamount, not a specific player and navigating the field and avoiding so-called "flukes" as you put it, is part of the achievement. Dominance and losing to a lesser light like Doohan are a contradiction in terms when referring to the tournamount in that particular year.
     
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    here's the catch though: nadal is never 100% when he loses.
     
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  5. raging

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    well, nobody is!:)

    I think that is probably the hardest thing: losing when injured or knowing that if you were 100%: it could have been different.

    Losing when you are 100% is even harder to take! :)
     
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  6. zagor

    zagor Talk Tennis Guru

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    Then the other open era champs like Borg and Sampras certainly aren't in a serious consideration if we go by your standard,seems a bit harsh IMO.Who would you say then is open for serious consideration besides Laver?

    Also speaking of Laver and other old Aussie greats,wasn't their moto-"if you play then you're fit"-or something among those lines? If Fed beats Nadal in a slam he beats him,whether one was strong or healthy or at his best or whatever is largely irrevelant in the end,the same goes other way around as well.

    Edit:How the heck do I remove that friggin smiley over my post? I put it there by accident,damn laptop.
     
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  7. zagor

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    Complete and utter nonsense,even with Nadal upset last year by Soderling Fed had to play 2 5 setters and 2 4 setters on the way to the title,was on the brink of losing a few times,not a walkthrough by any means(not sure what tournament you were watching).

    Fed's the main favourite after Nadal at the FO this year as usual but hardly unbeatable even if Nadal's gets upset by someone again or is exhausted/injuried/his parents divorced etc.
     
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    let's hope the Paris altitude won't change this year...we all know nadal's losses above 10 meters don't count.
     
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  9. raging

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    Actually Cashy did have lots of sleepless nights about Doohan taking Becker out.
    Doohan joked about it: " repeatedly jesting he wanted a percentage of my prize money for knocking out the runaway favourite".
    Cash thought for months maybe the Wimbledon win wasn't somehow valid. Winning over Becker in the semis of the Sydney indoors later in the year made it so and in his mind he was a worthy Wimbledon winner! No-one knew what he was going on about: "I had built the whole thing up in my head"

    Ironically the outcome of the Sydney Indoors final, where he got clobbered by Ivan Lendl, didn't matter: he had already won that battle! :)

    The quotes are from his autobio: Uncovered (2002)

    I am not having a go at you here britbox, just an observation that these guys are like gunfighters, without the bullets! Mentally some guys are tough to beat: For Federer this can be Nadal, particularly on clay, but there are lots of other guys like Murray, Djokovic, Davydenko, Roddick, Delpo..etc etc.

    There are so many guys (or bullets!) to dodge.

    Winning a slam is tough, winning a Grand Slam, so much has to fall into place.

    I think it's great to talk about (for us) but very hard to do.

    I am sure Federer is trying not to think about it!
     
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    i'm sure he's not trying very hard as his tears after the RG final showed.

    and if you want to compare with cash, fed delivered a nice clay beatdown on nadal a couple of weeks EARLIER.

    (sorry, i forgot it doesn't count---madrid is high)
     
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  11. zagor

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    Yup,there's the altitude problem as well for Rafa like in Madrid for example(unfair I tell you,completely unfair).Don't also forget that last year FO clay played like HC which allowed evil Robin to pound winners past helpless Rafa,hopefully it plays like true clay this year.
     
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    Watching Federer during the final of this year's Australian Open, I couldn't help being amazed and wondering where he had rediscovered his confidence and control, especially on the backhand. But I suppose the great champions are capable of doing such things. If Federer plays like that during the remaining three majors this year, the Grand Slam will look more and more likely.
     
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  13. hoodjem

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    Sorry, but we're not really in disagreement. I'm talking about how impressive it will be; what it will mean. Yes it will be a win at a major, another slam title. But we're talking about a guy who has 16 already. Going from 16 to 17 is not that amazing (particularly with regard to the competition). (It's only a 6.25% increase.)

    Moreover, we're talking about how history will regard him. I'm not talking about whether it's a "big deal." For Murray, Ferrer, Soderling, Cilic, winning one major would be a big deal--just as it was for del Potro, Roddick, or Djokovic. Not Fed, unless . . .

    History likes to look at head-to heads. History likes to look at rivals and dominance. If Laver had won the GS in 1969 without facing Rosewall or Roche or Newcombe, it would be demoted.

    I repeat: if Fed beats a 100% Nadal at the FO, then it will mean more. If Nadal does not face Fed, then it will be a feather in Fed's cap and just another notch on his GS belt.
     
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  14. LameTennisPlayer

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    why is this in Former Pro Player talk???

    Has Fed retired?
     
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  15. 1970CRBase

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    Well, if Fed is going to win the Grand Slam this year, I hope he doesn't play that exo with Pete. Every time he hangs out with Pete or has anything to do with him, he seems to have a stretch of bad luck. Pete jinxes him :) Heck, even talking about hanging out with Pete made him ill recently.

    Fed should just stay far away from Pete! :)
     
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  16. Talker

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    Fed has a decent chance, needs to stay healthy. Depends on who is playing well also of course. Right now the players are at the highest level of skill ever so it isn't as easy as was in the past.

    Here's a quote from Pancho Gonzales in 1995 regarding competition of his ERA and 1995 ERA. One thing to argue is that 1995 is stronger than now.


    http://www.nytimes.com/1995/03/12/sports/tennis-the-lone-wolf-faces-a-match-point.html?pagewanted=1
     
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  17. hoodjem

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    Haven't you heard? Where have you been?
     
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