Graphene Speed pro and Steam 99s feedback

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  1. Broly4

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    I've been playtesting these two sticks, this is my review:

    First of all, I'm a power top spin player ( aggressive, sometimes berserk according to my coach), with a full western forehand grip (almost extreme), and a 2 hnd backhand. Despite my style I prefer dense string patterns, currently playing with a leaded volkl Pb 10 mp.

    Speed Pro: Really solid frame, very control oriented, it does feel stiff, but not harsh at all, it's crisp and stable, perfect for flat hitting. Best shots for me were flat serve, and inside out forehand.
    It has a good sized sweet spot, but I prefer previous head shape, it had a better spin window, noticeable in killer returns and heavy top spin hitting. It has one of the densest string beds I've seen, in combination with the high stiffness it lacks some dwell time.
    I've found it pretty nice for slices and specially touch shots.
    All in all a great frame, better suited for hard courts, I've played four matches, against a two 5.0 and an open level player, mixed results but the stick performed greatly.
     
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  2. Federerkblade

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    THank you. would you say spin is lacking on forehand side ??


    what about the 99s in comparison
     
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  3. Broly4

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    99s

    I must say it's at least interesting, the ball does have a higher trajectory, it's power and easy top spin, the feel is fairly solid for its weight, the control aspect of the frame sufer from the string pattern, but I don't find it much worse than other 16x19. Good power for 1st serves, the kick however, is similar to other frames within its specs range.

    I think it's perfect for baseline grinding, awesome for defending aggressively, the aggression will come from the high bounce, not from a huge cut since it can be a rocket launcher. It worked wonderfully for my backhand (which is flatter).

    To sum up, I think this stick can be great for 3.0 to 4.5

    I break poly each 2 sets in a 18x20, so I would need several of these in order to complete a competitive match, although I didn't use lux 4gs.
     
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  4. Broly4

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    definitely lacks some top spin, the trajectory is low and quite nice, but if you go for a cross court heavy top spin forehand (I'm left handed so it's the shot that pays the bills) it lacks heavyness and net clearence.
     
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  5. Federerkblade

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    guess u wont be switching to the graphene pro. guess gut poly may help with spin
     
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  6. Broly4

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    yeah it can help, I will try it for sure, but I hit too hard with an extreme grip, durability is always a problem.
    Dwell time and spin window can be a deal breaker for me, besides worst top bumper/ grommet system ever.
     
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  7. Federerkblade

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    whats wrong withe top bumper grommet system ?
     
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    It's like I just wrote the above, exactly my findings. I have about 5+ hours with both frames. I've written plenty on the 99s so read that over there. One thing I will say is that two totally different sticks. One is more game improvement oriented the graphene is much more players stick. I will say that I wish it had a tad more spin but regardless this has to be one of the most precise and control oriented sticks I have ever hit with. Alot of power specially on flat shots and flat serves, I have a pretty big flat serve usually. As Broly4 said kick serve and top spin serve not as good due to lack of spin. I strung a textured poly 17g at 50 I may drop that tension by about 5 lbs or even maybe to 38-40 to try it out got a feeling will be good. I really think this stick is asking for lower tensions. I'm gonna test that and report back. To reiterate above great feel great balance all around great stick if I can find a little extra spin with string setup it's going in my bag even if not it may still find a place in the bag.
     
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  10. cork_screw

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    Yup agree with this, as with dr325i's review. It's a good stick, solid, good control and good power but I prefer the older IG mp 315. Spin and redirecting any heavy hard pace balls was pretty effortless with older model. The spin was just monster and the kick was amazing. I just wanted something more along those lines, as opposed to coming out with something completely different. This shouldn't even be called the speed because it was a complete overhaul of an already pretty amazing frame. The mold is completely different and resembles more of an IG Instinct, the head is more elongated. And I the head shape of the older frame created that massive spin. The strings were pretty spread out. This current racquet's head shape is much more squashed around the center and resembles more of a prestige, it lost that roundness for an a more elongated approach. And I have no idea what TW was saying about small sweet spot. That racquet was a total sweet spot. It was huge and I felt it was bigger than the prestige mids out now. And a bigger sweet spot than my 57e's. That is my favorite racquet and I hope head in the future brings some of those attributes back that made it so special. I've hit with a touring player and the IG mp 315 is the real deal.
     
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  11. Federerkblade

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    i asked on andy and he said on you tube the spin was huge with graphene pro
     
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  12. JGads

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    Are you comparing to the older IG Speed 18/20 or 16/19? I think the 18/20 but just curious. I dug the last Speed line, didnt understand all the hate, particularly the 16/19. Usually veer toward 18/20 frames but the 18/20 seemed to feel a bit more unstable than the 16/19, but it was a super brief demo.
     
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    Arghhh? Can he comment on that. I love the stick but spin ain't the reason. I am gonna try low tension poly 40+\- I gotta filin !
     
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  14. Broly4

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    I read that answer, but take into account that control is outstanding, and it's pretty easy to maneuver, hence you can swing out fast and with confidence, getting the spin desired, but again, the pattern is really dense and the frame lacks some natural top spin.

    Here some data:
    The spin window has been reduced from 6.16 to 5.91 (the head shape is more oval and it has a thicker beam) 5.91 is still a good spin window however.
    Net clearance of the standard shot from 3.08 to 2.99 ( 3.08 is one of the highest only comparable to the exo3 18x20, whereas 2.99 is one of the lowest.

    I feel this can be solved with a thin shaped poly at 50 and below, and all things considered I think is a great stick.
     
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    Again I agree with all above. Net clearance also means more loop and more time for opponent to get to ball and to read its path. Flatter trajectory with sufficient spin for control and weight of shot at least to me is still more effective shot than the loop spin unless your Rafa, but does require cleaner strokes. Like I've said before this is a players stick not a game improvement one but a true weapon in the right hands.

    By the way I forgot to mention that my first use with this stick was on clay and I will tell you that this is NOT a clay specific stick for the obvious. This is a faster surface type stick again in my humble opinion. Doesn't mean can't be used on the clay but I could not produce certain shots that I can with my speed mp315 16x19, specifically the big kick and top spin serve and the heavy top short angle shots were a lot touchiest and harder. I'm gonna go pretty low I got a feeling this stick will really wake up with low 40s. Maybe even 40poly /44 syn cross or gut cross.

    This stick has more to give than with the run of the mill 50lb poly. I'll report back when I try. What have you used string and tension so far ?
     
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  16. Mulach

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    I switched to the Graphene Speed Pro and am absolutely loving it. Before that I was using the IG Prestige MP and before that the IG Prestige Pro.

    I'm scratching my head a bit at those that find top spin to be lacking. I only find lack of top spin when I swing too flat for the situation...which I think is to be expected. It could be that the deflection angle is lower than some are used to coming from a more open string pattern. Swing faster and problem solved, IMO.

    Andy is dead on. I admire his game, respect his opinion and happen to agree with it based on my experience with this stick, so far. Power, spin control and touch are all "just right" on the high side in my book.

    I'm still getting used to the higher SW but it feels pleasantly light in hand and easy to swing ground strokes. At net I notice the higher swingweight most and miss time some reaction volleys.

    I'm currently with a full bed of 4G at 52lbs.

    I'm rated 4.0 and play USTA singles. Approaching 4.5 in my optimistic assessment :)
     
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  17. Broly4

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    Totally, a heavy low trajectory ball is more difficult to anticipate, this really shines on a hardcourt, I've hit with head sonic pro, and going to try it with cyclone 1.25, which I feel will be great.
     
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  18. Broly4

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    Let's see, I play with 18x20 racquets, with scary( if you allow me) swing speed, and with a full western to hawaian forehand grip, so I get all the top spin I can need, too much sometimes. Simply put the previous version has more spin potential. Much as I admire the work of the Tw crew, and they're truly helpful, the final goal is to sell. Finally kudos to you, you got yourself an awesome frame.
     
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  19. ollinger

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    ^^ Yes your swing speed is truly "scary." Allow me to bring you and your ego back to earth by pointing out that you titled this thread as a review of two frames and failed to even mention one of them in your opening post. But yes, your swing speed is terrifying.
     
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  20. Broly4

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    Sorry if I offended you, I sound a bit cocky, maybe I am, but it doesn't mind actually.
    I think it was better to devote one post to each frame. Try to shed some light on the review, I just wonder how good was one of your last posts, and how useless has been this one.
     
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  21. Mulach

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    Broly4 - I'm getting mixed signals from you on spin.

    You've been consistent all along that you feel the previous Speed has more top spin potential than the new frame. Fine, no debate from me although I never played with the old version.

    However, in one post you state that the new frame lacks top spin (post #4). Then you say if you swing faster it has sufficient top spin (post #14). In post #18 you said your swing can sometimes generate too much topspin.

    So I would conclude that although your opinion is the new frame has less top spin than the old frame, top spin should not be a problem with the new stick.

    Sorry to nit pick your posts. I just think you've painted a muddy picture on whether the new stick has a problem with top spin or not.

     
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  22. Centerforward71

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    Ok as I expected lower tension awoken the racquets spin without loss of any control. I was gonna restring but decided to pound the current poly a little more. Checked twines on racquettune and read 45. BTW only 6lbs loss from stringing and 3-4 hrs of play unlike the steam 99s that went from 57-42 in less time with same string. This racquet is freaken awesome and I like it more each time I play it. Spin was now really nice not excessive but really nice and the great part was that trajectory remained flat. This means the same penetrating shots now heavier and with more margin for error. Didn't get to serve with it today.

    I may tweak weighting later any thoughts on this ? Anyone tried changes ?
     
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    This is spot on. My old racquet is the IG MP 315 16/19 and the new one is a graphene Speed Pro.

    Having now played with it for a few weeks I can say that while it may not be as good as generating spin, it isn't far off and I have no problems generating adequate top spin with the Speed Pro.

    And similarly while the new Speed Pro probably doesn't have the outright power of the IG, the better stability and larger feeling sweet spot means I feel as though I have more useable power. Combine that with a substantial increase in control and it is turning out to be a great racquet that really suits me.

    Probably the best analogy is you can have a race car engine that makes a lot of power high in the rev range but a lower output engine that makes its power down low is actually more useable (if that makes sense?).

    Now I'm looking forward to getting some textured poly like the new Sonic Pro Edge and playing around with tensions in the high 40s.
     
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  24. Federerkblade

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    Centreforward what string or strings are you using in the pro
     
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    Mulach, in post 14, I meant that since the control of the frame is amazing, you swing with confidence and aggression, so you can get all the top spin you may need. This is why some players (me amongst them) feel that an 18x20 racquet provide that heavy top spinned low trajectory ball better than an open string pattern frame, even though naturally, the latter produce top spin easier.
    I think the Pro has less spin potential (not that much) than other dense pattern frames such as (exo tour 18x20, dunlop f3.0 tour, the ig version) but since control is a bit better, you can make up for that with a faster swing.
    As C71 has posted, the right string choice and tension solve this completely
     
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  26. Broly4

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    Did I mention how good it is on big flat serves?? Simply... a beast
     
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    Super dittos on that
     
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    Tier one FireWire 17g strung at 52 checked last at 45. That's not my usual string. I am going to test with genesis twisted razor my usual string next.

    I do want to report back that as it crept to the low 40s power seemed to be amped up a but too much for my liking. I'm gonna need to try this at 37 or so and also try at mid 50s hybrid with a multi cross.

    I'm loving the stick but haven't found my preferred setup yet.
     
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